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Old 2013-05-17, 09:42   Link #381
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I really liked episode 7. I've been looking forward to seeing more stuff on the Wulgaru, and the opening parts of the episode definitely didn't disappoint. Some of the other stuff is still kinda whatever, but I like that the heroes are more settled now, and it looks like next week we get our first major battle.

The Wulgaru stuff feels very much modeled after Greek mythology settings. They're a people driven by desires rather than deliberate thought, and they follow prophecies and signs to direct their conquest and movements. It's going to be fun to see how much more they expand on their background, and how it contrasts with humanity. The backgrounds in the Wulgaru world were really outstanding. Best background art in the series so far. Lol.
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Old 2013-05-17, 10:18   Link #382
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Btw, all the implied sexual intercourse in this episode is kinda surprising since the previous episodes felt so “innocent” about that topic (even the “watching porn” scene). First, we got the Wulgur’s king with that maid “did it” earlier, and then Prince Pleguzes Jiart was also “doing it” with the same maid (what a busy maid ). There’s also a little bit of vibe between Jiart and Lutiel, but I don’t think they “did it” (yet). Though I think all those implied sex is kinda the point to show even more contrast between the two sides: our innocent heroes and the “rape whoever you want to rape” villains .
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Old 2013-05-17, 10:51   Link #383
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Soundtrack announcement fcking where?!? The first half of the episode was like space opera at its best.
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Old 2013-05-17, 11:09   Link #384
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(what a busy maid )
Not funny really. The domestic help being raped by the king. Then his brother rapes her too. Even if she resist she'd get hurt.

Jiart lusts after Theoria even if she is related to him. Izuru subconsciously wants to be Theoria's hero.

Yeah these guys are designated arch-rivals even if they haven't formally met yet

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Old 2013-05-17, 11:24   Link #385
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Not funny really. The domestic help being raped by the king. Then his brother rapes her too. Even if she resist she's get hurt.

Jiart lusts after Theoria even if she is related to him. Izuru subconsciously wants to be Theoria's hero.

Yeah these guys are designated arch-rivals even if they haven't formally met yet
When Jiart showed up for the first time, in that very short cameo flyby, I waved at the screen and went "hi Char". It should be a good rivalry.
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Old 2013-05-17, 11:25   Link #386
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Not funny really.
Believe me, I know what happened to her is horrible, it’s just my cynic-self kicked in when I posted that. I blame myself for devouring many gritty anime & manga that makes me become somewhat desensitized about sexual harassment in fiction. (if you hate sexual harassment to women, try read a manga called Wolf Guy. Oooh boy, that damn manga will rock your world, in a bad way).

Though to give more observation to it, I think the maid already know the risk of her job considering she lives in a world where the strong can "rape whoever he wants to rape". Doesn't change the fact that it's horrible.
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Old 2013-05-17, 12:08   Link #387
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When Jiart showed up for the first time, in that very short cameo flyby, I waved at the screen and went "hi Char". It should be a good rivalry.
Yeah, he's the Char clone for the series, but I like the twist they put on him. Char and a majority of his clones are sexy by default. It's all about the mysteriousness, tragic backstory, anti-hero and yet noble tendencies that make him attractive (that's on top of his looks). However, your usual Char clone isn't a womanizer despite all that.

I kind of am interested in this one that has Jiart as the Char clone: barbarian version. He takes what he wants and will have whatever woman he wants, but he still does it with that "romance novel-esque" dominating alpha male charm.

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Btw, all the implied sexual intercourse in this episode is kinda surprising since the previous episodes felt so “innocent” about that topic (even the “watching porn” scene). First, we got the Wulgur’s king with that maid “did it” earlier, and then Prince Pleguzes Jiart was also “doing it” with the same maid (what a busy maid ). There’s also a little bit of vibe between Jiart and Lutiel, but I don’t think they “did it” (yet). Though I think all those implied sex is kinda the point to show even more contrast between the two sides: our innocent heroes and the “rape whoever you want to rape” villains .
I too was surprised by all the sexual implications in this, since usually things like that are rare and only hinted at in the mecha genre. And especially this show, since it's seemed more like a silly parody than anything truly serious. However, it seems with the arrival of our alien cast, the show has decided to take a darker turn and get into the actual war.
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Old 2013-05-17, 13:52   Link #388
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Just going to chime in quickly on the topic. Yeah, the sexual implications definitely came out of nowhere for me. As someone stated earlier, mecha genres typically don't venture into these territories. At the same time, if done correctly, it could be something unique in mecha genre.

Btw, yeah, that Wolf Guy series absolutely demoralized me. That was overkill.
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Old 2013-05-17, 19:34   Link #389
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Episode 7....

What kind of high ranking commander would outline his entire battleplan to the media? That's like having General MacArthur giving a press on how he would attack the Japanese Empire and which islands he's going to attack and such.
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Old 2013-05-17, 22:14   Link #390
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Episode 7....

What kind of high ranking commander would outline his entire battleplan to the media? That's like having General MacArthur giving a press on how he would attack the Japanese Empire and which islands he's going to attack and such.
The series seems to be very much designed around taking the standard tropes and building from them. Since this is a Mecha, we're seeing the idiot Commander trope played all the way out, in a logical fashion.

It's also historically accurate to have non-combat time military leaders rise up that are actually incapable of managing a proper war. The first thing any protracted warfare normally requires is firing most of your top Generals. So doing something this completely stupid is actually plausible, especially since they said early in that there had been zero communication. So, while stupid, they can claim that the Wulgaru wouldn't be able to understand it.

On the sexual aspect that popped up, I think it needs to be taken in the same vein as the rest of the major tropes they've hit upon. The Wulgaru are a hedonistic society, so there's a lot that goes with that. It's a pretty logical place, though it may truly just be confined to the major players in the Wulgaru society and not their entire populations. (So a bit like how some of the Roman Emperors were so different from the main society, and sexing up the maids is a pretty expected outcome in any Royal household, so it's really more they just actually said it happened that was surprising) Though I think we might have all skipped over the fact that Lutiel also went to sex up Jiart, quite possibly whether he wanted to or not (though he seemed up to it).

So, much like how Team Rabbits started out as 1-dimensional characters, intentionally, I think the Wulgaru are going to start out as just hedonists of multiple stripes, and the series will build from there. Granted, I'm also not sure which of the Wulgaru head council got death flagged this time. So, we'll see on that!
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Old 2013-05-17, 23:03   Link #391
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Mecha anime as a trope either has impressive body counts or having main characters just suddenly die (but they do it so often we now suspect everyone can die with only the production decided who doesn't die).

After Girls und Panzer though, I'm not quite sure what to expect for MJP.
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Old 2013-05-18, 15:49   Link #392
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Believe me, I know what happened to her is horrible, it’s just my cynic-self kicked in when I posted that. I blame myself for devouring many gritty anime & manga that makes me become somewhat desensitized about sexual harassment in fiction. (if you hate sexual harassment to women, try read a manga called Wolf Guy. Oooh boy, that damn manga will rock your world, in a bad way).

Though to give more observation to it, I think the maid already know the risk of her job considering she lives in a world where the strong can "rape whoever he wants to rape". Doesn't change the fact that it's horrible.
Besides it was just an example of another "dog" pissing on the rival (stronger) dog's territory.
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Old 2013-05-18, 15:57   Link #393
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Episode 7....

What kind of high ranking commander would outline his entire battleplan to the media? That's like having General MacArthur giving a press on how he would attack the Japanese Empire and which islands he's going to attack and such.
I was thinking more along the line that "HEY! we can broadcast this to the entire world because the enemy considers us as inferior and they aren't listening to what we're saying!"

i'm not going to check every post here, so i'm sorry if this has already been brought up before, but something has been bothering me since that resort episode:

Spoiler for just in case:
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Old 2013-05-18, 16:27   Link #394
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@frodonk:

Spoiler for to the question:
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Old 2013-05-18, 17:32   Link #395
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how many episodes is this series supposed to be?
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Old 2013-05-18, 18:00   Link #396
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how many episodes is this series supposed to be?
2 cours, 24 episodes.
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Old 2013-05-18, 19:44   Link #397
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i'm not going to check every post here, so i'm sorry if this has already been brought up before, but something has been bothering me since that resort episode:

Spoiler for just in case:
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@frodonk:

Spoiler for to the question:
Yeah, just like SQA said. Not to mention that both Theoria and Prince Jiart wear the same bracelets and the same crystals.

Here's my own speculation based on what was presented so far (in case you missed it):
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Anyway, I’m also interested with the crystals the Wulgarus equipped on their bracelets. It seems like some kind of drugs since they look a bit “high” for a minute when they put them on (Theoria’s “high” face before she grabbed that story book in episode 3 comes to mind).

Also, I suspect all of the new systems introduced recently by Simon (JURIA system, ASHMB, etc) had something to do with leaked Wulgaru technology or at least related to Theoria considering how Simon was speaking to her with full-respect back in episode 2 when they’re watching Fail 5 doing their mission together. Theoria could be a Wulgaru who supports Simon & MJP behind the scene.
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Old 2013-05-18, 19:49   Link #398
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In 4chan it has been pointed out that the Wulgur run on Primal Instincts. Eat, sleep, mate these are primal instincts.

The JURIA system is based on survival instincts of humanity. Fight or flight.

So really it is sides of the same coin.

So perhaps the whole point of this is to surpass these instincts. Like what Izuru did protecting civilians.
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Old 2013-05-18, 20:29   Link #399
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^The Char-clone prince was an example of primal instincts if harpooning a dunkoleosteus was any indication. Would anyone here go do that with a predatory fish that big? Not most people. The folks at /m/ also pointed out that very rarely in mecha anime does a series ever bring up rape, I even laughed when someone satirized the situation with some post along the lines of "Darn it MJP I wanted my story about alien genocide and extermination to be family friendly, but also having rape? That is too far!" I wonder if this series will break similar traditions.
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Mecha anime as a trope either has impressive body counts or having main characters just suddenly die (but they do it so often we now suspect everyone can die with only the production decided who doesn't die).
As someone who has seen quite a bit of sentai-esque team mecha anime you can safely say that the red leader of the group won't die and if even so it won't be until the final episode. Who knows, maybe the writers will shock us, although personally I just don't see it happening.
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Old 2013-05-19, 06:31   Link #400
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Spoiler for to the question:
Spoiler for again:
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