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Old 2013-05-22, 09:21   Link #341
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While the media stuff is necessarialy useless for most gamers, what were we expecting in this gen regarding games?

Aside from better graphics, there's nothing really impressive to look forward to now. In the past gen, High Definition made a huge difference and was the selling point.
That's probably the reason of why they're compensating the lack of gaming appeal, with all those non-gaming features.

Can't feel or see any improvement in games, honestly.

I would like 60 FPS for every game please.

Even those that don't need it! Like Atelier! Give Atelier 60 FPS !
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Old 2013-05-22, 09:28   Link #342
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I think a lot of this is going to come down to specification and price.

The XBox One may have a slightly lower specification that the PS4 (depending on CPU and GPU speeds?) but can it undercut it significantly enough on price? How much money can Microsoft lose to try and capture market share above Sony?

Because they do seem much of a muchness, and we've not really seen the PS4 yet.

Certainly I've not heard anything that makes me want to buy one. No Microsoft, I do not want to control my television by waving my arms around and shouting at it, I have a perfectly functional remote control unit with buttons on it that give me all the control I need.
I suspect most of this functionality will never really work properly outside of the US, anyhow.

The thing that first appealed to me about consoles was that you bought a game, put it in the console, and started playing.

But those days are over, even in the current generation (more with PS3 than XBox 360) you need to go and make some tea while waiting for the game to install, then maybe wait a bit more for updates to download and install, and it could be half an hour before you can actually start playing. It's as bad as the old PC days when you had to handcraft your CONFIG.SYS file for each game you bought!
(DR-DOS 5 was best for that, anyone remember?)

I think I'd much rather have one machine that plays games and does it well without any messing, than something like the XBox One which is trying to be too many things at once and won't do any of them as well.

But I do think it will come down to pricing, the cheaper machine could get more market share.

On the subject of specs, this article suggests the PS4 scores more here.

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Old 2013-05-22, 10:06   Link #343
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Old 2013-05-22, 10:22   Link #344
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Old 2013-05-22, 10:29   Link #345
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Virtual reality? Looks and sounds great! But I'm more of a traditional kind who preffers a screen and the old good controller
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I would like 60 FPS for every game please.

Even those that don't need it! Like Atelier! Give Atelier 60 FPS !
While 60fps is good, 120fps would even be better!
Try playing in a True 120hz display... can't ever go back to 60hz again.

Now THAT would be truly revolutionary.
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Old 2013-05-22, 11:01   Link #346
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Old 2013-05-22, 11:05   Link #347
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Because the Xbox is going to be a heck of a lot cheaper than buying a gaming rig.... like duh. Why buy this $400 thing instead of this $1600 pc!!
You must be one of those people who fall for those scammers at Bestbuy and Alien or Dell and believe everything they say you need when it comes to computers.

I can build a high end PC with 3 monitors for less than $1200 and this PC will last for years or even decades.

On my own PC I built a long time ago I watch movies, TV shows, downloads, do work, play games and it's been running with me for almost 5-8 years and still kicking and it can play games like Crysis 3 no problem. I'll be using it a lot more than an Xbox so it pays off in the end.

The only time I watch on my big screen TV is when I buy Blu-ray movies for my PS3 which I barely use for gaming.

To me it PC seems a heck of a lot cheaper because I can already do everything on it anyways. It's more efficient because computers are almost a necessity now a days and very efficient. Xboxs, PS3s, etc. are NOT necessary to have in the household and you can live without them. Try living WITHOUT a PC in this day and age.

Which brings to my point about this Xbox 1, the PS3 does quite a bit but to me I barely even use it so why would I go for the Xbox 1? Surely I cannot be the only one.

When I go to Bestbuy there's this talk about Smart TV's that can hook onto the internet but why? If you have a PS3 or something why do you need to pay extra for a TV that does the same or when it's easier to go through a computer? A lot of these things are simply overlapping with each other I think it's getting out of hand. As a result it's driving the costs of these appliances up when they can just keep it simple and focus on what really matters.
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Old 2013-05-22, 11:21   Link #348
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You must be one of those people who fall for those scammers at Bestbuy and Alien or Dell and believe everything they say you need when it comes to computers.

I can build a high end PC with 3 monitors for less than $1200 and this PC will last for years or even decades.
A GTX TITAN alone costs 999$, and it will be obsolete long before a decade.
Overpriced? Then spend 700$ in a proper SLI setup, multi-display setups demands high performance afterall. A decent CPU? There goes more 300$. Now, you could half-convince me if you somehow get the rest of the components for 200$

I think you're understimating how fast technology advances.
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Old 2013-05-22, 11:25   Link #349
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Well, do note that most people have no idea how to build a PC and don't even use google for advice on parts. They also don't have the time for it and prefer to just buy it and have it come in all together in one piece with no real set up needed other than plugging things in.
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Old 2013-05-22, 11:30   Link #350
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You must be one of those people who fall for those scammers at Bestbuy and Alien or Dell and believe everything they say you need when it comes to computers.

I can build a high end PC with 3 monitors for less than $1200 and this PC will last for years or even decades.
While I agree with the general sentiment of your statement, IMO your number is a bit off, unless what you consider "high end" is very different from mine.

First, your 3 monitors will have to be budget TN panel screens, not what I'd consider high end or even consistent, and even then it'll still eat up at least 1/4 to 1/3 of your budget, probably more.

This leave you with little room for SSDs or the higher end GPUs, not to mention a good CPU/Mobo/PSU. Not to say you can't build a decent performer from the roughly 7-800 or so you have left, but it'll be a decidedly mid-range rig at most. My old Bloomfield (920) rig is still trucking after almost 4 years, but only because I've updated the GPU, and even with it OC'd to 4.0Ghz on water, I have no illusions about it being able to remain serviceable for another 6 years for gaming purposes.

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Xboxs, PS3s, etc. are NOT necessary to have in the household and you can live without them. Try living WITHOUT a PC in this day and age.
Not really relevant as consoles are gaming oriented, PC isn't. I buy consoles because there are games on there I want to play, my PC is never part of the equation.

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A GTX TITAN alone costs 999$, and it will be obsolete long before a decade.
Overpriced? Then spend 700$ in a proper SLI setup, multi-display setups demands high performance afterall. A decent CPU? There goes more 300$. Now, you could half-convince me if you somehow get the rest of the components for 200$

I think you're understimating how fast technology advances.
Well, a Titan is just overkill, that thing doesn't begin to pretend to be something remotely cost-effective

TBH, if you're going to spend only $700 on a SLI, I'd rather just go for the $500 single card solution, more consistent performance across titles and less issues, not to mention the reduced heat.

But yea, pretty much what you said there, don't forget how much a quality PSU costs, too many people skimps on those only to have it come back and bite them in the ass later.
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Old 2013-05-22, 11:51   Link #351
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PC games tend to go online a lot more often than console games though. It's not too rare to snag an entire bundles of games from a Steam sale for less than $20. So depending on how how often you do buy games, it's possible that PC gaming can be cheaper than console gaming.

Secondly, this isn't the early 2000's where PCs go obsolete in the span of one year. A several year old PC can still play many current releases with no real issues. Hell, my E6600 and 460 GTX was able to run Saints Row 3 with no issues at all on high quality. While I do understand that someone seeking to play Crysis 3 will likely need to upgrade, not all games are as processing intensive as Crysis 3.

I'll likely end up getting both the PS4 and Xbox One whiling keeping my PC as my primary gaming rig, which console I buy first will depend on which exclusive catches my eye first.
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Old 2013-05-22, 12:16   Link #352
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A GTX TITAN alone costs 999$, and it will be obsolete long before a decade.
Overpriced? Then spend 700$ in a proper SLI setup, multi-display setups demands high performance afterall. A decent CPU? There goes more 300$. Now, you could half-convince me if you somehow get the rest of the components for 200$

I think you're understimating how fast technology advances.
Why does "high end" have to mean "the best"? You can easily make something high end that isn't the TOP end, and it won't cost you your kidney.

Granted it'd still be more expensive than a gaming console, by far, but it isn't as if you have to get the most expensive thing available.
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Old 2013-05-22, 12:17   Link #353
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I read people here talking about $400 xbox one, but according to a good insider source mentioned earlier this thread, the standalone price will be $500. That or a I think it was #300 plus mandatory two year xbox live gold subscription plus $10 a month for a year I think. Either way, the xbox one is not cheap, relatively speaking.

Also the kinect will be contributing to those prices, but the ps4 will be shipping with the PS eye by default as well I believe.
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Old 2013-05-22, 12:30   Link #354
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A GTX TITAN alone costs 999$, and it will be obsolete long before a decade.
Overpriced? Then spend 700$ in a proper SLI setup, multi-display setups demands high performance afterall. A decent CPU? There goes more 300$. Now, you could half-convince me if you somehow get the rest of the components for 200$

I think you're understimating how fast technology advances.
You can buy a $300 GPU that'll last you a good 4-5 years while still looking better than the consoles. Even if you need to upgrade you really just need to swap the GPU down the line.

Why are you including the cost of monitors into the equation. You might as well add the price of a HDTV to the console then.
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Old 2013-05-22, 12:32   Link #355
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Old 2013-05-22, 12:50   Link #356
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Part of the reason it isn't that expensive to buy a gaming PC these days, is that very few games out there actually take full advantage of PC's capabilities. Far too many recent games are ported from console, which means most of them can be run on 5 year old PCs, though not on the highest resolution.

Extreme high end PCs for games exist. But you can count games that need such hardware with one hand.
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Old 2013-05-22, 12:59   Link #357
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While I agree with the general sentiment of your statement, IMO your number is a bit off, unless what you consider "high end" is very different from mine.

First, your 3 monitors will have to be budget TN panel screens, not what I'd consider high end or even consistent, and even then it'll still eat up at least 1/4 to 1/3 of your budget, probably more.

This leave you with little room for SSDs or the higher end GPUs, not to mention a good CPU/Mobo/PSU. Not to say you can't build a decent performer from the roughly 7-800 or so you have left, but it'll be a decidedly mid-range rig at most. My old Bloomfield (920) rig is still trucking after almost 4 years, but only because I've updated the GPU, and even with it OC'd to 4.0Ghz on water, I have no illusions about it being able to remain serviceable for another 6 years for gaming purposes.
My definition of high end is best bang for buck.

The fact is is that this was for someone else and not me. I do not need 3 monitors but it doesn't change the fact that it's not that expensive when you look around. It's no more different than say going to Walmart or Bestbuy to find a good priced TV.

As others have pointed out, technology becomes obselete very quickly as newer ones are always coming out so there's very little reason to spend over $150 for a new GPU card. There are always deals lying around that you can take advantage of.

I mean do you really need to spend $5000 on a GPU card? No you don't because as VCV pointed out most games will never reach that level. Plus do you need to keep everything on Ultra? No you don't as most wouldn't even notice the difference.

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Not really relevant as consoles are gaming oriented, PC isn't. I buy consoles because there are games on there I want to play, my PC is never part of the equation.
Exactly but as you see they are trying to make them to do everything including the kitchen sink.

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A GTX TITAN alone costs 999$, and it will be obsolete long before a decade.
Overpriced? Then spend 700$ in a proper SLI setup, multi-display setups demands high performance afterall. A decent CPU? There goes more 300$. Now, you could half-convince me if you somehow get the rest of the components for 200$

I think you're understimating how fast technology advances
Like I said you don't need to spend that much on a GPU unless you have tons of money to spend and very picky. I'm not as I'm content with most settings on normal.

For me, as long as the game runs decent that's good enough for me.

I had a back projector TV for almost 10 years and I only upgraded to an LCD HD 50 mainly because the projector TV broke. That's my point, why do you need to keep upgrading? As long as you find that middle point the games will still run fine. Likewise I'll keep using this computer which played Tomb Raider and Far Cry 3 with zero issues until it finally breaks down and it's still going strong for over 5+ years.

For example, the iPhone 4, do you really need to upgrade to an iPhone 5 right now?

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Part of the reason it isn't that expensive to buy a gaming PC these days, is that very few games out there actually take full advantage of PC's capabilities. Far too many recent games are ported from console, which means most of them can be run on 5 year old PCs, though not on the highest resolution.

Extreme high end PCs for games exist. But you can count games that need such hardware with one hand.
In the end the computer pays itself off because you're not going to just be using it for gaming. You'll be using it for work, watching shows, chatting, etc.

Plus the fact that you have to pay a subscription fee to use the Xbox online really gets on my nerves. *Note* I dont' have an Xbox.
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Old 2013-05-22, 13:10   Link #358
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Why does "high end" have to mean "the best"? You can easily make something high end that isn't the TOP end, and it won't cost you your kidney.

Granted it'd still be more expensive than a gaming console, by far, but it isn't as if you have to get the most expensive thing available.
Well you see, that's not even the *Best* setup you can get.

And personally, I think if you're not going to upgrade for better, either from a console or older PC, then it's just not worth spending on a PC.

I've never heard of anyone "upgrading" to mid/low-range parts... If so, then either the system was very old and defective, or the guy's still playing ancient games.

Playing on MAX Settings at decent framerates is the PC Dream, and eventually everyone goes for it
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You can buy a $300 GPU that'll last you a good 4-5 years while still looking better than the consoles. Even if you need to upgrade you really just need to swap the GPU down the line.

Why are you including the cost of monitors into the equation. You might as well add the price of a HDTV to the console then.
I didn't take Displays in consideration, but there's no way to play on 3 displays with decent frames. Multi-display is enthusiastic material by default.

But you're right, a single 660Ti is enough to max most games... if not bottlenecked
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Old 2013-05-22, 13:17   Link #359
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PCs with mid-range gpu in medium settings >>>> virtually any console game in graphics. Be obsolete or not is relative here.
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Old 2013-05-22, 13:19   Link #360
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I've never heard of anyone "upgrading" to mid/low-range parts... If so, then either the system was very old and defective, or the guy's still playing ancient games.
For the record I never said anything about upgrading.

I said building a new rig with current tech. You can find a decent GPU card in the $175 range and it'll play the newest games on high standards with little issues. They're expensive but they get cheaper as the months go on.

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Playing on MAX Settings at decent framerates is the PC Dream, and eventually everyone goes for it

I didn't take Displays in consideration, but there's no way to play on 3 displays with decent frames. Multi-display is enthusiastic material by default.
Says the guy that says that max settings at decent framerates is the PC Dream....everybody always wants the best but you can NEVER get the best because the best of today will be dinosaur by tomorrow.
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