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Old 2013-05-22, 19:59   Link #3221
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it's great that we see is the other it feels good , training training training
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Old 2013-05-22, 20:33   Link #3222
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Ain't no training that's going to prepare them for Bach and Yama's Bankai.

Unless Aizen joins in for the lulz.
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Old 2013-05-22, 21:01   Link #3223
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Why does Kensei want Hisagi to use his bankai if the Quincies can steal them?
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Old 2013-05-22, 22:43   Link #3224
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'Cause everyones lost their fruits. But, this is a logical answer so, it doesn't matter
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Old 2013-05-22, 22:49   Link #3225
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A) what exactly is the zero squad guy 'forging'? all ichigo needs to do is pump some Reiryoku into the asauchi he picked, and bingo, done, new sword.

B) if A is the case, then wtf has ichigo been using so far, it's clearly not a zanpakuto, but has all the qualities of one, so saying it can't be fixed normally because it was broken in bankai state is just wrong.

C) if A and B are mutually exclusive, then ichigo can dual wield, omgwtfbbq

D) urahara, as always, knows more than he's telling. he would have known about asauchis being a former captain, yet he taught ichigo to pull a 'fake' zanpakuto out of his butt when teaching ichigo to release a true zanpakuto
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Old 2013-05-22, 23:31   Link #3226
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Why does Kensei want Hisagi to use his bankai if the Quincies can steal them?
because SS is full of complete morons. it's been proven again and again

"oh you guys can steal bankai? well do i have a surprise for you then ... BANKAI!"
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Old 2013-05-22, 23:42   Link #3227
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Well, that was fast.

"Let's see how you do NOW- Oh. Really? That one, huh... You don't wanna take a little longer to choose? Nope? Okay."

I actually laughed out loud at the blatant plot convenience of his chapter.
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Old 2013-05-23, 00:08   Link #3228
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Why does Kensei want Hisagi to use his bankai if the Quincies can steal them?
That's what I wondered as well.

Hey, maybe they think: „Quincies need a medal to steal the Bankai. We need more Bankais than they have medals at their disposal” or something like this.
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Old 2013-05-23, 00:18   Link #3229
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Yes Kensei, we need more bankai users. What the hell are you? On a secret mission to supply the quincy with new, fresh bankai?

Wouldn't it be better for the shinigami to train with their SHIKAI seeing as the quincy are able to STEAL their bankai permanently?
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Old 2013-05-23, 01:48   Link #3230
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In the land of people who are too stupid to realise that using bankai against an enemy that could steal them is a bad idea, the 11th Division are kings - Ikkaku's is broken, so it wouldn't matter if they took it, Kenpachi would rather eyepatches, etc., Yumichika has awesome powers if everyone else is too dead to watch (which aren't bankai-related), and Yachiru will come out as the 5th (and greatest) war potential (with bunnies)
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Old 2013-05-23, 21:25   Link #3231
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Why does Kensei want Hisagi to use his bankai if the Quincies can steal them?
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Yes Kensei, we need more bankai users. What the hell are you? On a secret mission to supply the quincy with new, fresh bankai?

Wouldn't it be better for the shinigami to train with their SHIKAI seeing as the quincy are able to STEAL their bankai permanently?
To be fair, the simple fact is that unless you're Zaraki, Kyoraku, Soifon, Yoruichi or a Vaizard maybe, shikai just won't cut it againt the Stern Ritter. And unless you're as good as Hachi or Urahara, kidou won't do anything either. Bankai is literally the only way to fight against them. Perhaps they're hoping Urahara or Kurotsuchi will come up with a way to stop the Medallization process?
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Old 2013-05-23, 21:52   Link #3232
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To be fair, the simple fact is that unless you're Zaraki, Kyoraku, Soifon, Yoruichi or a Vaizard maybe, shikai just won't cut it againt the Stern Ritter. And unless you're as good as Hachi or Urahara, kidou won't do anything either. Bankai is literally the only way to fight against them.
then instead of training bankai, the others should be training shikai and kidou like how hitsugaya is doing. using a brand new bankai shouldn't be that big of a help anyway. most captains have been training theirs for decades and centuries. of course, in bleach logic, shuuhei will probably have a super-powerful bankai and be useful right away. his bankai will probably be something that can destroy the quincies' medallions

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Perhaps they're hoping Urahara or Kurotsuchi will come up with a way to stop the Medallization process?
good call. this will probably happen. in a logical world it's not a guarantee so they should train everything but bankai, but in bleach this logic is 100% flawless. urahara cant fail at anything requiring brains and r&d. he'll probably make a medallion that steals quincy powers
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Old 2013-05-24, 00:27   Link #3233
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There is not much logic in it anyways: Quincies were able to perfectly use the Bankais immediately after stealing, while the captains needed decades to control them.
Heck, the Quincies shouldn't even know WHAT the Bankai does and if it's even useful in the first place.
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Old 2013-05-24, 02:16   Link #3234
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There is not much logic in it anyways: Quincies were able to perfectly use the Bankais immediately after stealing, while the captains needed decades to control them.
Heck, the Quincies shouldn't even know WHAT the Bankai does and if it's even useful in the first place.
when did sternritters use bankai?? which chapter?
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Old 2013-05-24, 02:52   Link #3235
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There is not much logic in it anyways: Quincies were able to perfectly use the Bankais immediately after stealing, while the captains needed decades to control them.
Heck, the Quincies shouldn't even know WHAT the Bankai does and if it's even useful in the first place.
yea that was total nonsense. logically, they should have most likely killed themselves by accident using such powerful techniques without knowing how to control them. it should have been like a stormtrooper using a stolen lightsaber... aaaaand my leg's cut off

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when did sternritters use bankai?? which chapter?
i dont feel like looking it up atm, but byakuya's own bankai was used against him to 'kill' him and saskibe's bankai was used against yama-jii by the first shitritter he killed before he fought bach
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Old 2013-05-24, 09:51   Link #3236
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I have an idea.

1) Have Kenpachi release his bankai.
2) Sterns steal it.
3) It eats them.
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Old 2013-05-24, 17:17   Link #3237
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Just caught up with the latest chapters. It's obvious that Kubo barely planned the backstory of Ichigo's parents. Just half-assed explanations for most of the un-answered questions.
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Old 2013-05-24, 20:39   Link #3238
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They should've let the sternritters steal the crap bankais, then beat them with the good ones. Unless they can steal more than one.
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Old 2013-05-24, 21:09   Link #3239
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They should've let the sternritters steal the crap bankais, then beat them with the good ones. Unless they can steal more than one.
Also, how does stealing a bankai work? Isn't the bankai just part of the Shinigami's zanpakuto? If Hitsugaya lost his bankai what happened with the zanpakuto's spirit?
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Old 2013-05-25, 02:36   Link #3240
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There is not much logic in it anyways: Quincies were able to perfectly use the Bankais immediately after stealing, while the captains needed decades to control them.
Heck, the Quincies shouldn't even know WHAT the Bankai does and if it's even useful in the first place.
The impression I've gotten is that Bach has been gathering information on the Shinigami for decades. One thing about everybody involved being hella old is that even if it takes a long time to find out secrets about someone, they're still worthwhile when you do. That might actually make Shuuhei popping a Bankai useful, as they may not have been able to gather any info on it. Of course, they could always just steal the Bankai and just not use it. Even with just Shitritter powers, they're more than a match for most Captains... Cosigning Bankai powers is just overkill.

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Just caught up with the latest chapters. It's obvious that Kubo barely planned the backstory of Ichigo's parents. Just half-assed explanations for most of the un-answered questions.
Actually, that part of all this is something I think he may actually have thought out from the beginning, at least to a higher level than his usual sleight of ass.

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I have an idea.

1) Have Kenpachi release his bankai.
2) Sterns steal it.
3) It eats them.
Better yet, Shunsui. Let them steal his Bankai all they want. If it's anything like his Shikai, it has a mind of its own and he, as an opponent, can make use of it as well. Given those odds, I'd take the guy who has several hundred years of experience with it any day of the week.
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