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Old 2013-06-12, 16:53   Link #1321
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The Asian market won't get them until late 2014.
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Old 2013-06-12, 16:59   Link #1322
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The Asian market won't get them until late 2014.
The point is you can't even import them. Silly isn't it; you would have thought that the INTERNET would allow a console to log in anywhere on the planet. But no; MS is making the most region locked console in history. Cross to another country, and your console bricks itself.
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Old 2013-06-12, 17:18   Link #1323
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That's a huge risk. Like you said they have every right to do so regardless of what we think. Sales are gonna be the deciding factor. Someone from Microsoft said this console race was a marathon not a sprint. Well they've already shot themselves in the foot. Only time will tell how bad the infection gets down the line.
Agreed. The main reason I made my last post on this thread is that I don't want people to get their hopes up (only to be crushed later). This isn't like bad government policy, where enough backlash will usually force the government to change the policy, at least somewhat. This is a company that will do whatever it thinks is most profitable for it, and that's it. And I think its already made the gamble that RobotCat referred to. Hopefully their gamble will backfire, but only time will tell.


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I hope I don't sound like a troll, but I am going through the options of MS pulling through, and I can't get around the issue of price.

Here is a tinfoil hat theory: what if MS decided to tell the US government they would have to subsidise every kinect sold? After all, they are getting a spying device globally, they should pay MS for the expenses. Get it out of the PRISM budget, and MS would be able to sell Xbox1 at $399...

Too far fetched?
If the price drops to $399 between now and November, your idea is something I'll at least consider.



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The gaming industry at large has been engaging in this behavior recently.

The abandoned customers are us... oldschool, long-time gamers, the ones in our thirties, forties and fifties. The ones who expect games to be good, to be labors of love by their developers who forsook higher-paying jobs in the business or application software market to work on sweet, sweet games.

Those of us who remember floppy diskettes, who remember the screeching sound a modem made when connecting to the internet over a phone line, who remember the dot-com bubble and DOOM and Wolfenstein 3D and The Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall.

We grew up in a gaming environment in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s, before gaming was really mainstream, when it was almost entirely about love of the craft. We got used to big boxes and new games costing $49.95 at launch, and maybe if the game was really popular we'd see an expansion pack or two for 20-30 bucks. We've got high standards and low tolerance for failure--if a game sucks, we say it sucks and we don't buy it. We scratch our heads and wonder what on earth they were thinking when they tack multiplayer XBL modes onto every game imaginable (even if multiplayer makes no sense).

We remember the good ol' days of subscription-based MMOs like Ultima Online, EverQuest and Final Fantasy XI. We remember the keepers of our favorite games engaging us, busting their ass trying to win our loyalty. We made our favorites and stuck with them for years and years, a mutually-beneficial relationship.

We're being abandoned in favor of the new generation of "gimme kids" who whine and whine about wanting to have everything now, now, NOW, and will happily fork out dollar after dollar for DLC, cash shop microtransactions on top of $60 game prices.
Good post. I identify with a lot of this. The only MMOs I've played are WoW and City of Heroes, though, so I'm not going to get too much into the f2p discussion.

However, I have to admit I long for the simpler days when buying a game meant you owned a copy of that full game. Period. End of story.

You paid a good, fair price for a copy of a game, a game that was crafted to please customers rather than to please shareholders, and then it was yours. None of this cloak and dagger stuff where there's hidden costs and added DLC/DRM behind every corner, even for games where you'd least expect it. None of this ridiculous strings-attached "you only own a license" nonsense.

You're right, I think, that very short-term thinking and too much focus on instant gratification (on the part of some gamers) has enabled Microsoft and some 3rd party publishers to sort of shepherd gamers to where we are now. Between your post, and one I read by 4Tran a few days ago, I'm reminded of the old boiling frog analogy - If you boil a frog slowly, it won't jump out, because it keeps getting used to more and more heat... until its too late. If you gradually nickle-and-dime gamers, and slowly erode their consumer rights, through preying on their desire for instant gratification, the logical end-point is the XBone. Are gamers like the frog that's too far gone, or will they jump out? This generation will determine a lot, I think.
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Old 2013-06-12, 19:17   Link #1324
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The abandoned customers are us... oldschool, long-time gamers, the ones in our thirties, forties and fifties.
"Our"? But you're not in any of those decades. /nitpick
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Old 2013-06-12, 19:30   Link #1325
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Old 2013-06-12, 19:38   Link #1326
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Man, you'd think that Microsoft would be better served to shut the fuck up for the next month or two, even if they get zero press presence...

Sony 2006: Get a 2nd job.
Microsoft 2013: Why would I live there/Move to a different country.
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Old 2013-06-12, 19:57   Link #1327
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Old 2013-06-12, 20:47   Link #1328
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"Our"? But you're not in any of those decades. /nitpick
Only a few months shy of 30 is close enough I'd say. Heck my two sons think this way ("largely abandoned by the industry") and they're only in their twenties.
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Old 2013-06-12, 21:33   Link #1329
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Stick with Xbox 360.....

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Old 2013-06-12, 21:57   Link #1330
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http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/0...game-policies/

It's funny, really.

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"This is a big change, consumers don't always love change, and there's a lot of education we have to provide to make sure that people understand."
It's like they don't want to sell their console, seriously.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/p...one/disclaimer

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Xbox One-Supported Xbox Live Countries

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Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions.
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Old 2013-06-12, 22:18   Link #1331
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So...I guess we already could see which one would get a bigger adoption rate...

For a nice reference....ALL BLUE...
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Old 2013-06-12, 22:23   Link #1332
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LOOK AT ALL THOSE FEATURES



I'm not even sure they are serious or not anymore.
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Old 2013-06-12, 22:40   Link #1333
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The Limited Edition controller is only unique because of the wording printed on it as far as I can tell ... you know ... stuff that rubs off

Oooh, an "achievement" ... heh, seriously?
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Old 2013-06-12, 22:46   Link #1334
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The Limited Edition controller is only unique because of the wording printed on it as far as I can tell ... you know ... stuff that rubs off

Oooh, an "achievement" ... heh, seriously?
Apparently the price is shopped, but the extra stuffs are right, along with this:

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Ryse: Son of Rome Exclusive multiplayer map and sword with bonus attributes.
Forza Motorsport 5 Access to four cars tuned to the top of their class.
Kinect Sports Rivals Exclusive sporting equipment that separates your Champion from the rest of the world.
Dead Rising 3 - Exclusive Frank West and Chuck Greene Tribute Packs with bonus attributes.
Well, if you have the games. That is.
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Old 2013-06-13, 01:17   Link #1335
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So...I guess we already could see which one would get a bigger adoption rate...

For a nice reference....ALL BLUE...
To be fair, the 360s was dominated only in the NA region. The rest of world was pretty split between 360 and PS3 while Wii enjoyed the top spot in terms of platform adoption and install base worldwide.
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Old 2013-06-13, 01:22   Link #1336
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To be fair, the 360s was dominated only in the NA region. The rest of world was pretty split between 360 and PS3 while Wii enjoyed the top spot in terms of platform adoption and install base worldwide.
Not sure, but didn't the PS3 actually picked up once the price dropped?
The 360 had the advantage of being the first on the market. In my view, if the PS3 launched at the same time as the 360 and priced the same, the 360 would have been dead. People wanted the PS3, but the 360 was a cheaper alternative. If you put that in perspective the Xbone is in a bad position, I don't think the majority of gamers are fanboys, they will just pick the one that seem to be good value for them. Brand loyalty isn't as significant as it used to be.

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Not sure, but didn't the PS3 actually picked up once the price dropped?
The 360 had the advantage of being the first on the market. In my view, if the PS3 launched at the same time as the 360 and priced the same, the 360 would have been dead. People wanted the PS3, but the 360 was a cheaper alternative. If you put that in perspective the Xbone is in a bad position, I don't think the majority of gamers are fanboys, they will just pick the one that seem to be good value for them. Brand loyalty isn't as significant as it used to be.
PS3 recently surpassed Xbox360 in terms of worldwide unit shipped but 360 is still the stronger platform in the NA region while EU and Japan are leaning towards the PS3.

The PS3 had the advantage being a Blu-ray player as well despite the higher price tag during it's initial launch period. Xbox One though, I'm skeptical about it's prospect.

Personally, i don't find having an all in one living room solution box worth the extra 100 dollar (assuming if i was even living in country supported by it) and I rather press a button than to talk to my TV to change the channel. Though that doesn't mean there's no market for it but I don't think it's going to be that significant especially with the console being limited to certain regions only during launch.
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Personally, i don't find having an all in one living room solution box worth the extra 100 dollar (assuming if i was even living in country supported by it) and I rather press a button than to talk to my TV to change the channel. Though that doesn't mean there's no market for it but I don't think it's going to be that significant especially with the console being limited to certain regions only during launch.
Quite interesting fact is that newer "Smart TVs" already have kinect like features, voice control, waggle detection aso. I mean if people are loaded they already have voice controlled TV systems, so why buy an extra box that does the same what a TV already does. I really cannot see who they are trying to target with xbone. Rich people?- No. Students? -No. "Hardcore gamers"? -No.
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Old 2013-06-13, 02:36   Link #1339
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Quite interesting fact is that newer "Smart TVs" already have kinect like features, voice control, waggle detection aso. I mean if people are loaded they already have voice controlled TV systems, so why buy an extra box that does the same what a TV already does. I really cannot see who they are trying to target with xbone. Rich people?- No. Students? -No. "Hardcore gamers"? -No.
Well it does kinda sorta makes sense; afterall their were blu-ray players before the PS3 aswell, but since they were not wide spread it put the PS3 in position to become the choice for blu-ray player. In a sense Xbox One is trying to do the same, but with smart TV's. Its not that crazy of an idea... however, one of the problems for Xbone is that its more expensive than smart TV sets; devices like Roku and Apple TV are only about $100. Now the samesung smart TV does cost about the same and has motion controls, but that's because its a TV set and not just something you attract to your current set. Main reason PS3 selling itself as a blu-ray player worked out was because most blu-ray players were more expensive. I might always question the level of interest their would be in smart TV's
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Quite interesting fact is that newer "Smart TVs" already have kinect like features, voice control, waggle detection aso. I mean if people are loaded they already have voice controlled TV systems, so why buy an extra box that does the same what a TV already does. I really cannot see who they are trying to target with xbone. Rich people?- No. Students? -No. "Hardcore gamers"? -No.
Feature wise, i assume they are targeting families with the standard tv setup by offering all in one solution and that's a good thing. There's obvious advantage to having a single box that handles all everything for your standard tv instead of juggling between your cable tv box, dvr and gaming console.

But Sony is really giving them the finger by offering a more competitive price with far less baggage. Cheaper initial cost and probably even cheaper subscription with much more value with their PS+ unless MS reprice their Xbox Live subscription fee.
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