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Old 2013-06-14, 11:23   Link #3541
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Celebrating? like it clears up or reaffirms peoples position about the ending?
The key bit seems to be here:
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───12巻は全体的に美少女ゲーム(ギャルゲー)を意識した構成になっていて、原点に帰った印象を受けま す。

伏見:そうですね。狙って1巻っぽいシーンを書いています。すべてに決着をつけて禁断の道に突っ込むという 痛快な物語は、電撃文庫で、直接描くのは、とても難しいですし、桐乃を幸せにするエンドにしようと決めた以 上、彼女の今後には、可能な限り良いレールを敷いてやらなくてはいけないし……非常に悩みました。結果は、 読んでいただいたとおりなのですが、再読する方向けに、蛇足ながらコメントさせていただくと、

・「完全なる桐乃エンド」
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」

12巻は、そんなお話です。
I'm not sure what it says completely, but people in the Kirino thread seem to be happy about it.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:24   Link #3542
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2ch thread celebrating interview
http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51398941.html

What happened?
generally good news, the author's new work is already in progress.
if you want me to translate a specific part, post up.
・「完全なる桐乃エンド」 - kirino end
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」 - like the life consultation, the siblings holding a secret of only the 2 at the end.
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And who have given Super-Kyousuke right to meddle with other's affairs?
Minami plays exactly same game here, and even on a bit higher ground, she is friend of both Kyousuke and Kirino. Super-Kyousuke have not hesitated to meddle with complete strangers affairs :-)
Sure, she failed, and in very spectacular way, so what?
At exact same time, Kyousuke failed with Sakurai, and in spectacular way too.
Sad, but in real life, sometimes shit happens.
And why she have not fixed her errors? Maybe, scared to mess it up even more (was not Kyousuke in same boat in same period?). And she had limited understanding about what happens with Kirino . And as much omnipotent and omniscient granny she looks sometimes, that image overboasted in same way as Super-Kyousuke image. And when she got better picture, she tried to fix things. And with that, while she failed to reach her goals, but even her failed attempt played to Kirino & Kyousuke glory, so who cares?
you misunderstood my point, i never said that i hate Manami because she is manipulative, but rather her lack of guts to clean her mess, true she can be failed but if her at least try before the cold war happened,, i would never hate her and when she tried to fix thing Kyousuke already fixed this before she get the bigger picture like you said, and while super -kyousuke do it for himself and accept it all, Manami do it while justified it's for the siblings.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:26   Link #3543
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generally good news, the author's new work is already in progress.
・「完全なる桐乃エンド」 - kirino end
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」 - like the life consultation, the two siblings holding a secret at the end.
what does he mean with kirino end?Did he confirm that they going to end up together after all and it isn't a open ending or something like that?
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:28   Link #3544
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generally good news, the author's new work is already in progress.
・「完全なる桐乃エンド」 - kirino end
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」 - like the life consultation, the two siblings holding a secret at the end.
Assuming I'm understanding the second line correctly that kills the ambiguity I guess. It still is phrased in a coy way though.

Edit: What are those last lines in reference to though, I'm confused
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:29   Link #3545
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generally good news, the author's new work is already in progress.
・「完全なる桐乃エンド」 - kirino end
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」 - like the life consultation, the two siblings holding a secret at the end.
Hm.

Well, anyway, there's other bits from the interview:
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>Fushimi says that he was very busy leading up to the end of Volume 12, and he couldn't play Far Cry 3 ;_;
>In th Manami part, the interviewer says something like "In the Manami part, Kirino's taunting was like something from "Kuma-AA" http://matsucon.net/material/art/aa11.html [クマーAA]" no idea. Trolling, maybe?
>Fushimi retorts that because the setup is different, Manami reacted differently. I don't know how to format the rest.
>Sena and Makabe have been shipped by the author since the volumes they were introduced (Volume 5). Poor Akagi.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:36   Link #3546
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・「完全なる桐乃エンド」 -complete kirino end
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」 - like the life consultation, the two siblings holding a secret at the end.
12巻は、そんなお話です。 volume 12 is that kind of story, ( is this the line you speak, tommycat) ??
@s0beit : the Kuma is quite famous in japan otaku, so it might be a reference
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:36   Link #3547
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And why she have not fixed her errors? Maybe, scared to mess it up even more (was not Kyousuke in same boat in same period?). And she had limited understanding about what happens with Kirino . And as much omnipotent and omniscient granny she looks sometimes, that image overboasted in same way as Super-Kyousuke image. And when she got better picture, she tried to fix things. And with that, while she failed to reach her goals, but even her failed attempt played to Kirino & Kyousuke glory, so who cares?
Another thing here is, she seems to have learned nothing. Because whenever Kyousuke (who has indeed learned from his experiences) starts acting in a manner similar to his former self, she immediately disapproves and gets kind of angry. Kind of like she wants to surpress any aspect relating to the former Kyousuke.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:39   Link #3548
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Is the author clearing the ending?
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:40   Link #3549
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・「完全なる桐乃エンド」 -complete kirino end
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」 - like the life consultation, the two siblings holding a secret at the end.
12巻は、そんなお話です。 volume 12 is that kind of story, ( is this the line you speak, tommycat) ??
@s0beit : the Kuma is quite famous in japan otaku, so it might be a reference

I mean the whole answer from him it flows into those bold lines but I don't understand the implications of what he's trying to say in the entire question. Google translate doesn't make it all that clear.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:41   Link #3550
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I mean the whole answer from him it flows into those bold lines but I don't understand the implications of what he's trying to say in the entire question. Google translate doesn't make it all that clear.
post it up, there are too many bold line to me
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:42   Link #3551
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The question I think:
───12巻は全体的に美少女ゲーム(ギャルゲー)を意識した構成になっていて、原点に帰った印象を受けま す。

His answer:
伏見:そうですね。狙って1巻っぽいシーンを書いています。すべてに決着をつけて禁断の道に突っ込むという 痛快な物語は、電撃文庫で、直接描くのは、とても難しいですし、桐乃を幸せにするエンドにしようと決めた以 上、彼女の今後には、可能な限り良いレールを敷いてやらなくてはいけないし……非常に悩みました。結果は、 読んでいただいたとおりなのですが、再読する方向けに、蛇足ながらコメントさせていただくと、

・「完全なる桐乃エンド」
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」

12巻は、そんなお話です。
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:43   Link #3552
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That is the interpretation of someone, Kirino's counseling could be other thing, you can think that they could be together again in a future or that they gonna be normal siblings. This is no a clear ending and you can't say that your interpretation is better than other.
Oh no this wasn't my interpretation it was someone else's previously in the forum, and I was confused by the interpretation. But yes I agree that it is open ended, and that interpretation is not my interpretation.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:48   Link #3553
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・「完全なる桐乃エンド」 -complete kirino end
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」 - like the life consultation, the two siblings holding a secret at the end.
12巻は、そんなお話です。 volume 12 is that kind of story, ( is this the line you speak, tommycat) ??
@s0beit : the Kuma is quite famous in japan otaku, so it might be a reference
So they continue their relationship in secret then? I'm sure that paves the way for plenty of doujin
But now that Fushimi has set an official end, I finally have all of the closure I wanted. I'm happy now

Edit: Even though I was (partially) joking with the never-ending doujins, this secret relationship still allows future events to be left to our imaginations, as a slice of life should end. Just as I said earlier, Fushimi has made a good balance with the slice of life and romance genres.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:54   Link #3554
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Well, he says they share a secret, not a secret relationship. I personally believe their secret will be their relationship, but playing devil's advocate (and cutting off the anti-incest people) they will say that their past 'shame' is their 'secret' and nothing is decided in the end.

Even if he says it's a Kirino end. Sad state of affairs.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:59   Link #3555
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Well, he says they share a secret, not a secret relationship. I personally believe their secret will be their relationship, but playing devil's advocate (and cutting off the anti-incest people) they will say that their past 'shame' is their 'secret' and nothing is decided in the end.

Even if he says it's a Kirino end. Sad state of affairs.
Kirino's otaku-self was also a secret they could never talk about, but she never gave it up though.

I don't know, at this point I'll take what I can get. This is probably his final word on the matter.
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies...
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Old 2013-06-14, 12:03   Link #3556
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Well, he says they share a secret, not a secret relationship. I personally believe their secret will be their relationship, but playing devil's advocate (and cutting off the anti-incest people) they will say that their past 'shame' is their 'secret' and nothing is decided in the end.

Even if he says it's a Kirino end. Sad state of affairs.
Piggybacking off that, wasn't the marriage thing also a secret?
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Old 2013-06-14, 12:09   Link #3557
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───12巻は全体的に美少女ゲーム(ギャルゲー)を意識した構成になっていて、原点に帰った印象を受けま す。
vol 12 is written like a bishoujo game(Galge), make an impression like return to the beginning.
His answer:
伏見:そうですね。狙って1巻っぽいシーンを書いています。すべてに決着をつけて禁断の道に突っ込むという 痛快な物語は、電撃文庫で、直接描くのは、とても難しいですし、桐乃を幸せにするエンドにしようと決めた以 上、彼女の今後には、可能な限り良いレールを敷いてやらなくてはいけないし……非常に悩みました。結果は、 読んでいただいたとおりなのですが、再読する方向けに、蛇足ながらコメントさせていただくと、
That's right, i'm writing a scene like vol 1, in dengenki Bunko, to write direcly is difficult, even more than kirino happy end, in her future,it's never always good rail.. (reru, i'm not good at katakana, ask someone to confirm it)make me feel troubled, the end is as you have read, but you can re-read and comment your own views.

・「完全なる桐乃エンド」
Complete Kirino end
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」
like the life consultation, the two siblings holding a secret at the end.

12巻は、そんなお話です
volume 12, is that kind of story.

i quite confident in my jpese but not my english so if there are any prob please tell me
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Old 2013-06-14, 12:11   Link #3558
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Kirino's Love > Manami+Ayase+Kuroneko+Kanako. Best girl won. Felt like justice. Fukishima sensei's word 'Kirino End' clarifies it. Im content
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Old 2013-06-14, 12:12   Link #3559
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───12巻は全体的に美少女ゲーム(ギャルゲー)を意識した構成になっていて、原点に帰った印象を受けま す。
vol 12 is written like a bishoujo game(Galge), make an impression like return to the beginning.
His answer:
伏見:そうですね。狙って1巻っぽいシーンを書いています。すべてに決着をつけて禁断の道に突っ込むという 痛快な物語は、電撃文庫で、直接描くのは、とても難しいですし、桐乃を幸せにするエンドにしようと決めた以 上、彼女の今後には、可能な限り良いレールを敷いてやらなくてはいけないし非常に悩みました。結果は、 読んでいただいたとおりなのですが、再読する方向けに、蛇足ながらコメントさせていただくと、
That's right, i'm writing a scene like vol 1, in dengenki Bunko, to write direcly is difficult, even more than kirino happy end, in her future,it's never always good rail.. (reru, i'm not good at katakana, ask someone to confirm it)make me feel troubled, the end is as you have read, but you can re-read and comment your own views.

・「完全なる桐乃エンド」
Complete Kirino end
・「最初の人生相談と同じように、兄妹は、二人だけの秘密を抱えて終わる」
like the life consultation, the two siblings holding a secret at the end.

12巻は、そんなお話です
volume 12, is that kind of story.

i quite confident in my jpese but not my english so if there are any prob please tell me
Thank you that makes the question more clear and the implication being raised is slightly different when you read just the bold lines out of context of the whole answer he gives. Thanks for taking the time to translate it
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Old 2013-06-14, 12:15   Link #3560
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Thank you that makes the question more clear and the implication being raised is slightly different when you read just the bold lines out of context of the whole answer he gives. Thanks for taking the time to translate it
no problem here, but it seem like he wrote the novel like an Galge game with Kirino is the main heroine and he also stated that there will not alway be good path before her, so i think this confirmed a Kirino end.
P.S; i'm actually more interested in the author new work, seeing as it's in progressed already.
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