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Old 2013-06-13, 00:26   Link #3501
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Soooo.... Who was that old man Zangetsu/Juha? Why was he there?
Way I see it, old man Zangetsu is, like he said, the embodiment of Ichigo's latent Quincy powers. You can compare it to Shinigami having their Zanpakuto be the inner representation of their Shinigami abilities, or Hichigo being the inner representation of the Hollow power in Ichigo (presumably other Visoreds have something similar). Only I imagine it's a little more homogeneous for Quincy, since they have a single progenitor. That means Uryuu, Ryuuken, Souken, and every other Quincy (with the exception of Bach, presumably) probably also have a little "mini-Bach" somewhere inside them. That actually makes him being able to steal Masaki's and Katagiri's Quincy powers a little more logical. Maybe we'll see him repeat that ability as a last hurrah before Ichigo finally curbstomps him (depowering every last Quincy in a vain attempt to gain enough power).

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Hm, so "old man" is gone. Doesn't this also mean, that Ichigo's Quincy powers are gone as well?
Not that he really used it much, but at least they helped him escape the prison and avoid his head getting cut of.
I doubt we've seen the last of old man Zangetsu. He only said he was handing over power to Ichigo, and was still able to speak to him after he disappeared. He'll probably show up when needed, like Hichigo has to this point.

But yeah, Tensa Zangetsu... Kubo, you got some 'splainin' to do...

And as if Ichigo wasn't already overpowered enough... Jeez...

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BUT none of the other shinigami have zanpakutou that look like them...
Pretty sure the only* Zanpakuto we've canonically seen so far was Zabimaru. All the rest were anime filler. Not to say you might not to turn out to have been right, but "insufficient data" and all that.

*I was going to put "only other", but it occurred to me that we probably haven't seen Ichigo's "true" Zanpakuto (it shouldn't exactly be Hichigo, per se), so Zabimaru may actually be the only Zanpakuto we've seen in the manga, period.

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Old 2013-06-13, 01:45   Link #3502
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*I was going to put "only other", but it occurred to me that we probably haven't seen Ichigo's "true" Zanpakuto (it shouldn't exactly be Hichigo, per se), so Zabimaru may actually be the only Zanpakuto we've seen in the manga, period.
well zabimaru is enough to disprove the notion that zanpakutous should look like their shinigimis. but i was under the impression that kubo designed all those zanpakutous himself. i know they're filler, but they are still legitimized by kubo. even if they are not, zabimaru is enough to disprove it so as far as my point goes, it makes no difference
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Old 2013-06-13, 14:16   Link #3503
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Even though we haven't seen all of the other zanpakuto spirits within the manga, I do believe that at least some of the genders of their spirits have been confirmed. For instance wasn't both Shunsui's and Urahara's spirits confirmed to be females? (thus confirming that zanpakuto spirits don't necessarily look like their owners)
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Old 2013-06-13, 17:06   Link #3504
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So Ichigo dominated Aizen using quincy powers? Really? And now he will learn shinigami powers and be twice more powerful than before?

Shame on every quincy and shinigami out there!
a) None of the quincies was ever impressive until they learned to steal bankais
b) Ichigi quincy kicked shinigami butts!
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Old 2013-06-13, 21:17   Link #3505
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Shame on every quincy and shinigami out there!
a) None of the quincies was ever impressive until they learned to steal bankais
Hey Ishida was pretty awesome. He was the first who defeated a bankai.
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Old 2013-06-14, 11:59   Link #3506
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So Ichigo dominated Aizen using quincy powers? Really?
Quincy-Hollow powers.
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Old 2013-06-14, 12:22   Link #3507
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I'm pretty sure he was still using Shinigami powers (in addition to quincy and hollow), it's just that they were suppressed. So... just barely above standard Shikai levels.
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Old 2013-06-14, 13:25   Link #3508
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So Ichigo dominated Aizen using quincy powers? Really?
No-no, he dominated aizen while holding back his shinigami powers. =P
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Old 2013-06-15, 22:34   Link #3509
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this totally spit on the staff that did the zanpato arc in the filler..
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Old 2013-06-16, 11:29   Link #3510
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Quincy-Hollow powers.
are you sure it wasn't Fullbring-Shinigami powers?

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this totally spit on the staff that did the zanpato arc in the filler..
how so? i mean kubo has been spitting on nearly his entire work so far this final arc so why single that part out?
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Old 2013-06-16, 22:45   Link #3511
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Ichigo did all that shit using only a fraction of his true power? Well at least no more boring training arc since Ichigo can pull any kind of power out of his ass right now. Hopefully there a even more badass looking and powerful full Hallow form for Ichigo.
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Old 2013-06-18, 01:59   Link #3512
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this totally spit on the staff that did the zanpato arc in the filler..
Not really. That's why it's called filler. Whether you assume that the filler episodes are not canon, or the anime runs on its own continuity in which those filler episodes are canon, it has little to do with the manga. Kubo may or may not have in his mind that that's what everyone's respective Zanpakuto looks like in the manga continuity. Might have even designed them himself (I don't know who did). Kubo is the originator of the overall Bleach story, and the final arbiter of what happens in the manga (give or take a publishing executive or two), so if he later wants to do something that conflicts with anime filler...well, it's not really a conflict then, is it?

And in this case, it really isn't a conflict. Way I understand the Zanpakuto Arc (stopped watching long before then), all of the Zanpakuto spirits are taken under the control of the bad guy of the arc, manifest themselves, and revolt. I assume your "spit" comment refers to how that doesn't make sense if Zangetsu was never a real Zanpakuto. Well, he was acting as one, right? Presumably by wresting control of the part of Ichigo that makes up his real Zanpakuto. And Ichigo was certainly using him as one. If I were Mr. Bad Guy Zanpakuto Controller, and I were to come across Ichigo at that time. who exactly would I control? And if I were a bunch of disembodied Quincy power playing at being a Zanpakuto, isn't it possible that I might be controlled like one? Or at least pretend to be controlled so as not to blow my cover...
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Old 2013-06-18, 10:11   Link #3513
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are you sure it wasn't Fullbring-Shinigami powers?
meh...it's just a subdivision of shenanigan powers

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Ichigo did all that shit using only a fraction of his true power? Well at least no more boring training arc since Ichigo can pull any kind of power out of his ass right now. Hopefully there a even more badass looking and powerful full Hallow form for Ichigo.
Not sure why there's such a huge disconnect w/ this reveal. Merged powers, therefore, restrictions are released and you're at your maximum potential utilizing two energies. He was only using a fraction of his power when he fought normally w/out utilizing his Hollow.
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Old 2013-06-18, 11:09   Link #3514
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Kubo may or may not have in his mind that that's what everyone's respective Zanpakuto looks like in the manga continuity. Might have even designed them himself (I don't know who did).
it's my understanding that he did design them himself. i could be wrong though. i never read that in an official interview or something like that

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meh...it's just a subdivision of shenanigan powers
now those are powers i'd like to see. well actually, might as well just call fullbring powers, shenanigan powers... they are just random nonsense anyway

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Not sure why there's such a huge disconnect w/ this reveal. Merged powers, therefore, restrictions are released and you're at your maximum potential utilizing two energies. He was only using a fraction of his power when he fought normally w/out utilizing his Hollow.
i think the disconnect is because ichigo was so strong with just a fraction of his power. i mean how powerful does he need to be? he was already on a higher level than butterflaizen. it just seems like too much
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Old 2013-06-18, 16:44   Link #3515
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i think the disconnect is because ichigo was so strong with just a fraction of his power. i mean how powerful does he need to be? he was already on a higher level than butterflaizen. it just seems like too much
Ichigo might as well just take over fighting Bach and everyone else....because I don't really see anyone being able to hold up against the VR again. Maybe they will, this time.....afterall, the VR did take them off guard....but while some are trying different tactics like Hitsu and Soi, Kensei's already teaching Shoes bankai which should tell you right there that one of 'em ain't making it. Besides, with the exception of Shinji, they all f**king suck anyway and Kubo can stand to kill them all off....

And Bach's not like Aizen; Urahara's a dead man if he attempts his Hail Mary move again on Bach while Ichigo pounds him or goes Entetsu or whatever the fucking hell his zanpakuto will wind up doing now....
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Old 2013-06-18, 20:30   Link #3516
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And Bach's not like Aizen; Urahara's a dead man if he attempts his Hail Mary move again on Bach while Ichigo pounds him or goes Entetsu or whatever the fucking hell his zanpakuto will wind up doing now....
I think the main difference between Aizen and Bach is that the former just played with the others. He could have easily killed Ichigo and the others (remember Hitsugaya?) but his objective was testing the potential of the Hogyoku to... Defeat the Soul King? Bach just wants everybody dead.
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Old 2013-06-19, 03:19   Link #3517
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The form of his new zanpaktou makes sense. somehow.
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Old 2013-06-19, 03:34   Link #3518
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It's mirroring the "white's" sword-arms.
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Old 2013-06-19, 03:41   Link #3519
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dual wielding zanpakutou! yay!

I wonder if he can combine it into one sword then make it huge with his reiatsu
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Old 2013-06-19, 03:45   Link #3520
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Half-waiting for the twist that Kyoraku was originally a human/shinigami/quincy/hollow thing, and underwent the same process of reforging to get his daisho pair - the presence of the second sword does somewhat reduce Ichigo's ability to call forth his mask, though, which either suggests that the hollow is gone, or he'll only mask up once he's in whatever his new bankai is (by the way, does he have to relearn bankai, as he hasn't defeated the real Zangetsu?)
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