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Old 2013-06-20, 05:59   Link #1281
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@kusabireika, I have to agree with @bludvein on this one.


Anyway it doesn't matter, it's not very likely that we will see Hercules and Jean. They are both terrorist and have done too much for the underworld or it's citizens to forgive or pardon. Both are most likely in the custody of one of the 3 powers, Sairaorg doesn't have enough influence to ask any of the 3 powers if he," Can have Hercules, so that he may turn him into his servant and help Hercule redeem himself."
It's ok no worries we have freedom in expressing our speculation and theories so no worry

Do you think agares strong equal in sona and rias also Sairog
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Do you think agares strong equal in sona and rias also Sairog
She's definitely not as strong as Sairaorg is.

Her technique and power level might be similar to Sona's, but I would say that she is also weaker then the current Rias - the reason, being the fact that just like her servants, Rias also undergoes training and develops her own abilities ... something, which is pretty rare among Pureblood Devils.
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She's definitely not as strong as Sairaorg is.

Her technique and power level might be similar to Sona's, but I would say that she is also weaker then the current Rias - the reason, being the fact that just like her servants, Rias also undergoes training and develops her own abilities ... something, which is pretty rare among Pureblood Devils.
But it was also stated that more and more young devils have begun to train, even Raiser has begun training.
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Old 2013-06-20, 11:04   Link #1284
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Regarding Ohpis ... I agree that her (since Ophis is currently female, I think it's easier to use the female adjectives to describe her) becoming Ise's friend, can't be actually considered as an upgrade for her.

After all, she actually became weaker, due to the various seals that have been put on her, so that Ophis could live in the Hyodou residence.

Not to mention, it's quite clear that, at the current point, it's Ise who gained more benefits from being Ophis "friend - although Ise is definitely going to repay her, by facing the various opponents that might to target Ophis.
I am agree with you, Ise will definitely going to repay her by her stolen power, by facing the various opponents that might to target Ophis. I speculate that in the future Ophis will recover all her power, and in that moment after Issei defeat the enemies to recover her power risking his own life, i speculate she fall completely in love for him like the other members of the harem.

Because due to her actions, it is actually possible that Ophis harbors some sort of emotions towards Issei. This is only implied when Issei death, the date with Issei and Rias is mentioned, where even Ophis seemed willing to go on a date with Issei. And take the place of Koneko to sit over Issei, This may even show that she may see the other members of the group as rivals. However, there isn't much to go on with only those factors.

I expect we can see Ophis with red face of shame for the love, as the worry face that she show us when issei death, and the big smile that she do when issei invited to his home. Of curse i also expect she can grow up in her emotions and her body.

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Old 2013-06-21, 03:32   Link #1285
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Hmm let change the topic we already discuss xenovia, irina, issei, rookie 4, Heracles, Sairog, agares, gasper and ophis

What do you think about the future upgrade of ravel and koneko in the upcoming volume coz majority of the gremory group have some upgrade via sacred gears, power and change in there psyche

If you gonna rank the rookie 4 by there power, technique, support, wizard and king how will you rank them

now can punk from belial beat the rookie 4,

I think the reason why many players are training there servant is due to the rookie 4 training, there tenacity to win and never changing servant like the high ranks due do you think the higher players who never train can beat
the rookie 4

Edit: I think rias is gifted on pure annihilation in use power in destruction I think this what separate her power to her elder brother who use power of destruction in a different way both them gifted but different on they use it I think
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Old 2013-06-21, 03:56   Link #1286
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What do you think about the future upgrade of ravel and koneko in the upcoming volume coz majority of the gremory group have some upgrade via sacred gears, power and change in there psyche
Koneko is most likely going to gain some more Senjutsu techniques, due to her training with Kuroka.

Ravel has to use her powers first, for us to see, what she is actually capable of in combat, before she will gain any upgrades.

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I think the reason why many players are training there servant is due to the rookie 4 training, there tenacity to win and never changing servant like the high ranks due do you think the higher players who never train can beat
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At the current moment, I think that they can easily do this, since they still have a huge gap in terms of experience ... in the rating game ... although given a few years ... I definitely think that might change.

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Yes, it has already been implied that Rias power of destruction is different then her brother's.

Although it's still going to take some time for her, to reach it's true potential.

We will most likely see, how powerful her new "move" is during the course of the current arc ... after all, I don't think that the author would have mentioned it, if Rias wouldn't use that move against someone later in this arc.
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Old 2013-06-21, 12:10   Link #1287
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guys,of all groups of rookies four we know that ise is the strongest(with the kings included),then we can put ise in the top 20 of the strongest devils?or maybe the servants of maou are much strong than ise?
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guys,of all groups of rookies four we know that ise is the strongest(with the kings included),then we can put ise in the top 20 of the strongest devils?or maybe the servants of maou are much strong than ise?
I wouldn't put him that far, I consider Ise maybe within 30 to 50 range. The 3 top teams of the Ranking games are said to be strong as the Maou, well not Ajuka or Sirzerch but maybe Leviathan. Ise is still very small in comparison to many powerful beings in the mythological world. There is a bunch of religion in the series, each religion have top fighters of their own.
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Old 2013-06-21, 12:34   Link #1289
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guys,I'm curiou about whom will be the main enemy of this arc that will fight with ise.I think that will be one vampire that works of KB.maybe,now,KB have a vampire faction and the leader of this will fight with ise.
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guys,I'm curiou about whom will be the main enemy of this arc that will fight with ise.I think that will be one vampire that works of KB.maybe,now,KB have a vampire faction and the leader of this will fight with ise.
I think it's going to be someone completely different from the one you specfied... he won't have any relation with the vampires and their fractions ... if I have to put a guess, it would be the new leader of KB ... the person that apparently Vali was disgusted with.

Since, unless there exists a vampire who posses similar powers as Gasper (which I doubt) ... they are (in my opinion) ranking too low, in the power chain, to posses any threat to a "serious" Issei.
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Hey guys, I am some confused in How Issei will recover the interest in improve his Hakuryuukou powers(As the author said)?

Untill now, Issei is just thinking in complete the balance of his Cardinal Crimson Promotion and adding to this the Ascalon Aura. He now is training to it.

I speculate that Issei will be forced to use his Hakuryuukou powers, in a deadly battle, where the one way to win will be to absorb the enemies powers(That i speculate are ophis powers), maybe he latter use Transfer to return the power to her.

Althought, Issei has been thinking in his Hakuryuukou powers from Vol10, thinking in the way to do a Balance Braker similar to Holy Demonic Sword, that has opposite powers joining in it.

Is there a relation with the other 4 pieces no mutant and Issei Hakuryuukou powers?

What do you think?
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If I remember correctly, we had this discussion a few pages ago, and we (me and ReaperxKingx, if I remember correctly) came to the conclusion that it's too early for Ise to have any development in his Divine Dividing powers, due to the fact that the powers of Ophis and Great Red haven't reached a stable state, within Ise's body.

If he does have any development in it ... it would probably result in a pretty nice nuclear bomb ... in other words, it would be a pretty nice way of committing suicide.

Since, I don't see the author killing Ise so soon, after he has been revived, I think the scenario you described has a low chance of occurring, unless the author puts some development that would imply that the situation with Ise's lifespan is undergoing some changes, compared to the last report.

As for, how the power is going to be contained ... I'm pretty sure that it's going to force one or two of Ise's pieces to change into a mutation piece, when Ise is going to change his usual balance breaker into a subspecies, but ... just like with Kiba, who can't create "devil" swords, while he is using his subspecies, Ise won't be capable of using his Boost powers at the same time as his Divide powers + there might be a few other restrictions put on Ise's "Albion" power.

And the process needed to awaken this power is going to be similar to what Ise had to do, to awaken his original Balance Breaker ... although like I said, some other developments should occur first, before Ise gains access to Albion's power contained in his SG.
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Hey guys, I am some confused in How Issei will recover the interest in improve his Hakuryuukou powers(As the author said)?

Untill now, Issei is just thinking in complete the balance of his Cardinal Crimson Promotion and adding to this the Ascalon Aura. He now is training to it.

I speculate that Issei will be forced to use his Hakuryuukou powers, in a deadly battle, where the one way to win will be to absorb the enemies powers(That i speculate are ophis powers), maybe he latter use Transfer to return the power to her.

Althought, Issei has been thinking in his Hakuryuukou powers from Vol10, thinking in the way to do a Balance Braker similar to Holy Demonic Sword, that has opposite powers joining in it.

Is there a relation with the other 4 pieces no mutant and Issei Hakuryuukou powers?

What do you think?
Issei didn't get the ability to absorb the enemies power only to divide it as far as we can tell. The next logical step for him is to learn how to use Ascalons aura more effectively because he can only train the other abilities so much.

My opinion it's more likely Issei is filling the pieces with the power he's accumulated, but that's just me.
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That's NOT the consensus. It downright says that 3 of the pieces are the different Trianna forms, and the fourth one is CCQ. BB and the dividing gear didn't change his pieces.
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That's NOT the consensus. It downright says that 3 of the pieces are the different Trianna forms, and the fourth one is CCQ. BB and the dividing gear didn't change his pieces.
True ... and regarding the BB, I agree that it hasn't changed Ise's piece into a mutation, but the Dividing Gear is a little different ... since in it's current form ... using it is random and using it, endangers / shortens Ise's lifespan - which sounds pretty similar to how Juggernaut Drive was (at least, in the shorting lifespan aspect), before Ise unlocked his Tiranna forms and CCQ.

So, I would say that, the mechanism that is behind the process of changing a Evil Piece into a mutation piece ... is happening, whenever Ise's parameters go beyond his original specs (as a human / devil hybrid with a pretty powerful SG) ... after all, it's the pieces where Ise's and Ddraig's powers are contained, which is why Ise needed such a huge number of pieces to be reincarnated as a Devil, of course.

Of course ... you could ask, why the pieces haven't changed, when Ise and Ddraig obtained the power of Dividing Gear ... the answer is pretty obvious, it's because they aren't capable of fully controlling it.
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True ... and regarding the BB, I agree that it hasn't changed Ise's piece into a mutation, but the Dividing Gear is a little different ... since in it's current form ... using it is random and using it, endangers / shortens Ise's lifespan - which sounds pretty similar to how Juggernaut Drive was (at least, in the shorting lifespan aspect), before Ise unlocked his Tiranna forms and CCQ.

So, I would say that, the mechanism that is behind the process of changing a Evil Piece into a mutation piece ... is happening, whenever Ise's parameters go beyond his original specs (as a human / devil hybrid with a pretty powerful SG) ... after all, it's the pieces where Ise's and Ddraig's powers are contained, which is why Ise needed such a huge number of pieces to be reincarnated as a Devil, of course.

Of course ... you could ask, why the pieces haven't changed, when Ise and Ddraig obtained the power of Dividing Gear ... the answer is pretty obvious, it's because they aren't capable of fully controlling it.
Yeah, you and me did come to the conclusion that while the author did say he will make Divine Dividing a regular power for Ise in the vol 12 afterwards, it won't be coming anytime soon. Not to say that Ise will not get any development because I am pretty sure he will. Anything related to transforming parts into Dragon, Divine Dividing, and anything related to his life source or his new body capability are off for now. Ise cannot afford experimenting if it cost him his life, Koneko would cry if his life energy gets any lower though she and he would both be happy about the time spent together hugging. His present abilities would most likely develop first, the Triana Pieces and Crimson Queen. Both are still a long way from being stable in its own right. Ise may get some magic knowledge and ability as well, Le Fay got to have a purpose right?

So while I desire for Ise to develop his own dragon powers apart from Ddraig, he needs to develop more power with Ddraig until his body is strong enough and does not take life energy to allow independent powers of his own.
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That's NOT the consensus. It downright says that 3 of the pieces are the different Trianna forms, and the fourth one is CCQ. BB and the dividing gear didn't change his pieces.
My bad misremembered, been a bit since I've read through the novels. See that was speculation on Ajukas part the thing I don't get is, why did Ascalon come out of the evil piece?
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My bad misremembered, been a bit since I've read through the novels. See that was speculation on Ajukas part the thing I don't get is, why did Ascalon come out of the evil piece?
I have theoy for maybe the evil pieces responds to his will and his comrades that what I read about vol 12 also Ajuka Beelzebub said that about regarding that theory


Who do you think is stronger the past rizer or the present him, if he return to rating game do you think he can beat the high class devil who doesn't train
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[QUOTE=kusabireika;4732588]I have theoy for maybe the evil pieces responds to his will and his comrades that what I read about vol 12 also Ajuka Beelzebub said that about regarding that theory


Who do you think is stronger the past rizer or the present him, if he return to rating game do you think he can beat the high class devil who doesn't train[/QUOTE]

Maybe, he has started training since his loss to Issei. Although he probably didn't get that much stronger since you can tell by his attitude his training is probably very light.
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I have theoy for maybe the evil pieces responds to his will and his comrades that what I read about vol 12 also Ajuka Beelzebub said that about regarding that theory


Who do you think is stronger the past rizer or the present him, if he return to rating game do you think he can beat the high class devil who doesn't train[
Maybe, he has started training since his loss to Issei. Although he probably didn't get that much stronger since you can tell by his attitude his training is probably very light.
Probably still he is training from the words from him at volume 10 he said he will show him the terror of high class rating game once isse get his piece so I think he is the 1st one from high class rating game player to train if he said he will show him terror maybe he is training hard for rematch against issei that what I firmly believe
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