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Old 2013-06-14, 17:01   Link #1921
Alastor Mobius Toth
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It heightens the probability of alignments that are genetically recessive in nature. However, scientifically, it's only that: heightened risk.

The story that incest is not healthy is only partially true; repeated incest, to a very big degree, across multiple generations, is very much unhealthy. Occasional "cross" (which happens both with humans and animals) is not particularly abnormal. The children famous for their illness/defects as result of incest came mostly from royal families were incest was almost endemic, sometimes even encouraged, and not accidental. Cases like Hapsburg, were people were encouraged to marry their nieces and the like to keep family titles in family's hands and the like.

So potential children of Yui and Yuuya wouldn't be in any more significant danger than you, me, or any other random person (especially when we consider that they aren't as closely related as proper siblings. They only share the same father). Now, if this sort of inbreeding repeated through several generations, then yeah, it wouldn't be healthy.


On off note: I remember reading somewhere that human genetic diversity has actually greatly decreased over millennia, usually as result of various catastrophes (especially Toba), which killed a substantial amount of our ancestors, leaving very small, tight-knit communities to rebuild. Some had speculated that the taboo against incest that many culture have is related towards keeping a communities genetic pool viable, as were the traditions that often forced younger sons to resettle somewhere else. Just a random trivia.
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Old 2013-06-14, 20:57   Link #1922
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How the hell did we get sucked into a debate on incest? Right, Destined_Fate.

I think I've said all I want to say to him, whether he'll read it or not - especially since my opposition to his opinion was due to his hypocrisy. (Ironically, had he just said, "Yeah, that's what I believed then, and I've changed my mind now," not only would I have been fine with that, I would not have a causus belli to proceed. But of course, as humans, it's very hard for us to admit to changing our minds. I'm reminded of the Mass Effect ending bullshit.)

Look, while I ship incest couples, regarding Yuuya and Yui I actually rooted for them as a normal couple, and figured that was what the show was building up to. Then suddenly outta the blue Heineman pulls that card outta his pocket. Sorry, Kouki - while it is probably true, you also succeeded in portraying Heine as a dick who'd say anything for his own agenda, so the trustworthiness of that statement goes down the drain. I do not trust Heineman. Now, if it had been Iwaya on the other hand, I might be inclined to believe it, given that Iwaya and Tadamasa were bros.

(This is the difference in reliability of witnesses, by the way.)

I mean, come on! Characters in the VN lie all the damned time! Look how Sandek manages to convince Yui that the US is behind the RLF attack and the berserk Scarlet Twins, and how he convinces Yuuya to die (except Yuuya refuses to die).

But I know we're going to get dragged into another discussion on what makes a witness reliable.

I think I had better lay it out:

1. I believe that the VN's statements, using Heine as the witness, are correct and true and canon.
2. I also do not trust Heine to be a reliable witness.
3. Personally in his shoes, I'd want to keep that Jap bitch who was such a racist shit to my One True Love's Son the fuck away from him.
4. Best way of doing that? Tell that Jap that she's related to him. Screws up her mind AND keeps her nasty claws outta my One True Love's Son. :drevil: >:3

Oh, and one last thing - Yuuya and Yui are half-siblings. If a relationship between them is so wrong... what does it mean for the Jewish people, who are descended from Abraham and Sarah, a pair of married half-siblings?
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Old 2013-06-14, 21:44   Link #1923
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so guys, anyone know if there's gonna be a follow up VN for TE or anything in continuation for the TE universe? :P
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Old 2013-06-14, 22:02   Link #1924
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so guys, anyone know if there's gonna be a follow up VN for TE or anything in continuation for the TE universe? :P


Supposedly, the light novels will resume publication - supposedly.

Also, it is all but confirmed that age will most likely not release an Extended Cut DLC to please their unhappy fans.
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Old 2013-06-18, 17:53   Link #1925
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Everyone is arguing about incest, but is there anyone out there that is a Crysyuu shipper? Or am I the only one. Cryska getting so lil love is making me sad, but I'm happy for her since she loved yuuya and yuuya loved her back(She won! Haha~). Susanoo was not shot down in Alt so we can safely say that yuuya and Inia did their thing and went to meet Cryska in the end.
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Old 2013-06-19, 08:17   Link #1926
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Part 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzH_oWkEJOU
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Old 2013-06-20, 14:39   Link #1927
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Everyone is arguing about incest, but is there anyone out there that is a Crysyuu shipper? Or am I the only one. Cryska getting so lil love is making me sad, but I'm happy for her since she loved yuuya and yuuya loved her back(She won! Haha~). Susanoo was not shot down in Alt so we can safely say that yuuya and Inia did their thing and went to meet Cryska in the end.
*Proudly wave around Cryska/Yuuya flag.*

But seriously, the silver haired beautiful Soviet esper really need more love.
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Old 2013-06-20, 16:24   Link #1928
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Sorry, I'm more an Yuuya-x-Yifei fan.
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Old 2013-06-20, 18:51   Link #1929
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No Yuuya/Inia here? Aww damns.
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Old 2013-06-20, 19:29   Link #1930
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I don't know jack shit about TE but did someone mention wincest?

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Old 2013-06-20, 23:13   Link #1931
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I don't know jack shit about TE but did someone mention wincest?

Here is my signature good sir
There was an argument a week ago or so on how Yui's feelings for Yuuya are wrong, and it was pointed out that those feelings occurred naturally, and that if Destined_Fate were to insist that their incestuous relationship were wrong, he'd be displaying himself to be a hypocrite, as this stance is in odds with his previous statements.

Check back pages 94-96.

And now I know how Stephen Colbert feels when he digs up politicians' previous speeches and throws their own words in their faces.

Anyway, basically, Heineman tells Yui that she's Yuuya's half-sister, and that Yuuya's dad who knocked up his mom is her father. So Yui is now a tsunjellyderewinmouto ojousama, which is all kinds of win (even if I don't particularly like ojousama characters, but it's Yui, she gets a pass).

I pointed out, however, that while this is probably true, we also need to take into account that Heineman is trolling Yui for his own purposes, and that he's not a reliable witness. I would not base my case on his testimony, speaking as someone who studied law. Plus, it's not as if Muv-Luv has had characters outright lying to each other - note how Sandek managed to convince Yui the Americans were behind beserk Scarlet Twins, and how he manipulated Yuuya to die.

Having said that, given that at the end of the series the only girl left standing is Inia (Sorry, Shiranui, you don't count), I seriously have to wonder whether Inia actually manipulated events to neutralise her love rivals, leaving her alone with Yuuya...

Afterall, AMT did call her Tzeentechnia. Or something like that. My 40k-fu is weak outside of IG.
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Old 2013-06-21, 05:56   Link #1932
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I called her Iniazinchi, or something like that. I don't remember.
But yeah, Inia is sly.

Plus, she's definitely spying on your first time with Cryska.

Spoiler for Inia, I am your father:


Speaking of parings, I am firmly in the CryskaxYuuyaxYui triangle camp.
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Old 2013-06-21, 06:52   Link #1933
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Did Cryska and Yuuya actually do 'it'?
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Old 2013-06-21, 09:35   Link #1934
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The VN is all-ages (as much as a VN can be, anyway), so there aren't any H-scenes in it.

If it was 18+ though, I'm pretty sure it would have at least one scene, a la Alternative.
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Old 2013-06-21, 10:29   Link #1935
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No chance of that happening right?
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Old 2013-06-21, 13:44   Link #1936
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Pretty much. Any VN on the 360 or PS3 is going to be All Ages, particularly since Sony has a policy of no porn on their consoles.

(This has not stopped clever modders from sucessfully porting several Windows 98 VN eroge to the PSP, but it's a drop in the bucket.)
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Old 2013-06-21, 14:19   Link #1937
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At least let them do it off screen, takeru and sumika did it before sumika die.
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Old 2013-06-21, 15:32   Link #1938
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The way the game ended. It'd probably be a Alternative of a Alternative.

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Pretty much. Any VN on the 360 or PS3 is going to be All Ages, particularly since Sony has a policy of no porn on their consoles.

(This has not stopped clever modders from sucessfully porting several Windows 98 VN eroge to the PSP, but it's a drop in the bucket.)
Same rule applies to handhelds as well. You'll only find 18+ on pc. Ironically enough, its usually the G rated ports that have sound and better visuals. Not to mention usually a better revamped system... and in rare instances a new route.
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Old 2013-06-21, 21:12   Link #1939
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Same rule applies to handhelds as well. You'll only find 18+ on pc. Ironically enough, its usually the G rated ports that have sound and better visuals. Not to mention usually a better revamped system... and in rare instances a new route.
I know, that's the irony. Hell, PS2 port of Fate/Stay Night assembled the awesome cast...

That said there are also games where removing the ero doesn't hurt, like Eien no Aselia, although I never finished that game because I pretty much hated almost everyone in that world. (Logistics juggling was interesting, however.)
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Old 2013-06-22, 07:35   Link #1940
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So how did the sales for the TE VN do? Good enough to warrant a PC release?
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