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Old 2013-06-28, 22:47   Link #601
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Thanks for posting that Cerny video. When I saw the length, I figured I'd skip it... but once I started watching it I couldn't stop. Very good stuff.
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Old 2013-06-28, 22:59   Link #602
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He should just be Sony's PS4 full-time PR/marketing man.
It's both fortunate and unfortunate that he's too good for that, and there simply isn't enough individuals like him.

I'd really like to see him go back and attempt to recreate that RPG game that never was. Maybe... Legend of Dragoon II?
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Old 2013-06-29, 00:39   Link #603
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Very nice to see that Sony (or at least Cerny) is learning from their mistakes.
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Old 2013-06-29, 02:27   Link #604
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He should just be Sony's PS4 full-time PR/marketing man.
It's both fortunate and unfortunate that he's too good for that, and there simply isn't enough individuals like him.

I'd really like to see him go back and attempt to recreate that RPG game that never was. Maybe... Legend of Dragoon II?
It shows the difference between Sony and MS. Sony knows what they are talking about, Microsoft does not. I have no idea when it happened, but MS ended up forgetting that gamers are customers, and that they have to sell stuff to them to make a profit. Instead, MS just assumes that the customers aren't going anywhere, and the goal was to maximise money extraction efficiency.

As others pointed out, Sony is entirely comfortable to talk about the PS4 hardware in great detail, because they have essentially done the hard work already and is ready to present. MS however is still fudging the details, it is telling that we don't really know how Xbox1 is truly going to work, when we are only a few months from release.
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Old 2013-06-29, 02:46   Link #605
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He should just be Sony's PS4 full-time PR/marketing man.
It's both fortunate and unfortunate that he's too good for that, and there simply isn't enough individuals like him.
Yeah he's way too much of a genius to be stuck in a role like that, though thankfully the ps4 has allowed him to step into the forefront, man I played the shit out of Marble Madness back in the day.

The current Sony team is pretty damn good though, give a much better vibe than the sleazy suits of MS and the inept car-salesman air Reggie gives off.

Btw there is an "Sony insider" who has been posting quite a bit on neogaf threads, seems the mods trust him since they haven't banned his ass yet, seems Sony have 2 JRPG projects lined up going by what he says, also Demon Souls 2 whether under that name or another is pretty much a lock for ps4, the director of Demon and Dark Souls Hidetaka Miyazaki is in charge, he did step down from the directors chair for Dark Souls 2.... so it seems like the "B-Team" is working on that while he is cooking up a ps4 game.
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Old 2013-06-29, 04:35   Link #606
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Microsoft PR totally dropped the ball in comparison with Sony. It seems like they are only starting to come out of their bubble with their recent changes in policy and trying to reverse the damage done. Where else Sony have been knocked from their high horse with PS3 and started reaching out to developers and consumers again.

I think it's quickly becoming unfeasible to just do the marketing talk and expect people to buy into it because how connected people are these days and someone will see past all that bullshit and communicate it to others.

People like Major Nelson and Don Mattrick are just speaking from the marketing & business side of games and it shows especially if you worked in major corporation before. Where else, people like Shuhei Yoshida and Mark Cerny came from development background and I think most hardcore gamers appreciate it better when they are spared the usual marketing buzzword and given technical information even though we don't understand most of it.
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Old 2013-06-29, 04:48   Link #607
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People like Major Nelson and Don Mattrick are just speaking from the marketing & business side of games and it shows especially if you worked in major corporation before. Where else, people like Shuhei Yoshida and Mark Cerny came from development background and I think most hardcore gamers appreciate it better when they are spared the usual marketing buzzword and given technical information even though we don't understand most of it.
Actually Don Mattrick came from a development background as well, he founded a game company at 17 years old, which got acquired by EA later.

Well, times change.
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Old 2013-06-29, 04:55   Link #608
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A very interesting & honest talk about the history of the PS4's chief architect in the games industry, his personal experiences through the development of all the Playstation consoles... and what led the PS4 to what is it today under his leadership.

Nice vid. Very insightful to the start of gaming.
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Old 2013-06-29, 05:18   Link #609
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It shows the difference between Sony and MS. Sony knows what they are talking about, Microsoft does not. I have no idea when it happened, but MS ended up forgetting that gamers are customers, and that they have to sell stuff to them to make a profit. Instead, MS just assumes that the customers aren't going anywhere, and the goal was to maximise money extraction efficiency.

As others pointed out, Sony is entirely comfortable to talk about the PS4 hardware in great detail, because they have essentially done the hard work already and is ready to present. MS however is still fudging the details, it is telling that we don't really know how Xbox1 is truly going to work, when we are only a few months from release.
I think Microsoft lost it when they sent James Allard away from the XBox project and then Peter Moore left leaving no one who actually knew what they were doing in charge.
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Old 2013-06-29, 10:23   Link #610
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Guys, if I remember correctly, wasn't Titan Falls a Xbox 1 exclusive?
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Old 2013-06-29, 10:27   Link #611
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Guys, if I remember correctly, wasn't Titan Falls a Xbox 1 exclusive?
Xbox1 and PC. But the people making it say that PS4 isn't out of the question in the future, so it is likely a timed exclusive.
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Old 2013-06-29, 10:30   Link #612
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Xbox1 and PC. But the people making it say that PS4 isn't out of the question in the future, so it is likely a timed exclusive.
Yeah, there is a spiraling rumor in the net mentioning that it will be out for PS4 the same time when it release on PC and Xbox 1.
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Old 2013-06-29, 10:46   Link #613
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Titanfall will be 360 as well.

Honestly, I don't know if it's EA or MS's decision here to cross-port to 3 platforms, but doing that instantly destroys Titanfall's potential as a system mover.

Even more so thanks to the 2014 release.... it's going to be competing with some heavy hitters like Destiny.
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Old 2013-06-29, 10:49   Link #614
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Old 2013-06-29, 11:23   Link #615
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Kinda weird to see Xbox360 being listed on platform supported by Titanfall especially since it's a FPS which are notoriously demanding in terms of resource. I kinda doubt we'll be seeing it on the PS4 anytime soon though since it's not on the official platform supported.

EA and Respawn Entertainment probably just don't want to give a straight "no" to avoid straining relationship with Sony and fans. Personally, I'll just play it on a PC since me and consoles never got along well when it comes to FPS.
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Old 2013-06-29, 15:52   Link #616
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It's purely a multiplayer game, so that's an immediate skip for me.
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Old 2013-06-29, 18:37   Link #617
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The current Sony team is pretty damn good though, give a much better vibe than the sleazy suits of MS and the inept car-salesman air Reggie gives off.
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Probably because Reggie's job is PR?

I don't think it's fair to compare people responsible for the actual development of Sony consoles to Reggie who has little involvement in making Nintendo consoles.
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Old 2013-06-29, 18:54   Link #618
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Probably because Reggie's job is PR?

I don't think it's fair to compare people responsible for the actual development of Sony consoles to Reggie who has little involvement in making Nintendo consoles.
Maybe that's the way to go from now? Rather than a PR guy, maybe having someone on the development team give these kinds of talks would be better.

Assuming they have someone like that on the team- Cerny might just be a rare exception.
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Old 2013-06-29, 19:43   Link #619
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Titanfall is an exclusive Xbone game.

Why? Because the amount of people who play COD/Battlefield on 360 dwarfs PC. It doesn't matter that it's on PC. Yes there is a 360 version in the works but it's not by Respawn so it will most likely play worse.

And yes a PS4 version may come out a year down the line but that's like championing that PS3 got Mass Effect 2 way after the 360 version came out.

So for all intents and purposes Titanfall is a Xbone exclusive, the outlook of a ps4 version down the line is that the series ends up being like Mass Effect more than anything else. If Titanfall is a big hit out the gate it will help the Xbone period

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Probably because Reggie's job is PR?

I don't think it's fair to compare people responsible for the actual development of Sony consoles to Reggie who has little involvement in making Nintendo consoles.
Reggie is in charge of Nintendo of America, saying he's just a PR guy is laughable, just a PR guy is someone like Major Nelson, not someone in Reggie's position. He's suppose to be Nintendo's Jack Tretton, not their Major Nelson. Yes Tretton and Reggie obviously do PR since they try to sell their company but that's not the only thing they do clearly.
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Old 2013-06-29, 19:52   Link #620
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Titanfall is an exclusive Xbone game.

Why? Because the amount of people who play COD/Battlefield on 360 dwarfs PC. It doesn't matter that it's on PC. Yes there is a 360 version in the works but it's not by Respawn so it will most likely play worse.

And yes a PS4 version may come out a year down the line but that's like championing that PS3 got Mass Effect 2 way after the 360 version came out.

So for all intents and purposes Titanfall is a Xbone exclusive, the outlook of a ps4 version down the line is that the series ends up being like Mass Effect more than anything else. If Titanfall is a big hit out the gate it will help the Xbone period
Calling it 'exclusive' when it's out on all these other platform is a bit...

I do get what you're saying, just like how Destiny is obviously focusing on the PS4 despite all the other platform... Perhaps there is a better term for this?
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