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Old 2013-06-30, 17:26   Link #3261
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Was there reason to believe that Killua's assesment wasn't correct?
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So er, just for the record, Knov is a conjurer and Morel is a transmuter, right?
If Morel were a transmuter, he wouldn't need a pipe. He uses the pipe to produce smoke and then manipulates it. So manipulator. Knov should be either conjurer or specialist.
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Old 2013-06-30, 18:24   Link #3262
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So Kite has poor judgement choosing to become a beast/ecology hunter in the first place? Dude what. I thought we were talking about the encounter not Kite's life choices.
"Judgment" in this context is making choices that help you achieve your goals. Leorio's goal is to become a doctor, so he did things to help him become a doctor.

I have nothing against Kite's goals, but I'm pretty sure he didn't plan on dying here. He made the choice that caused him to fail to reach his goals. If his goal was to sacrifice himself to some end (save people?) then of course dying wouldn't even be a bad thing. Everything you do is judged relative to what you want to accomplish. Isn't this common sense?
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Old 2013-06-30, 19:12   Link #3263
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"Judgment" in this context is making choices that help you achieve your goals. Leorio's goal is to become a doctor, so he did things to help him become a doctor.

I have nothing against Kite's goals, but I'm pretty sure he didn't plan on dying here. He made the choice that caused him to fail to reach his goals. If his goal was to sacrifice himself to some end (save people?) then of course dying wouldn't even be a bad thing. Everything you do is judged relative to what you want to accomplish. Isn't this common sense?
The way i see it is, Kite knew that Gon and Killua would die from fighting, so what he did was fight it by himself to allow for their escape.

Kite's decision to let Gon and Killua go along with him wasnt wrong or correct. His assessment on the Chimera Ant's power was wrong. From what we have seen before, they were small ants which could be easily destroyed.

Also even though a hunter should take risks there is a line between taking a risk and commiting suicide. Killua seemed to have known that no amount of resolve would work so he fled. The three big hunters did not charge into the fort so they knew that even though your a hunter you shouldnt take obvlously insane risks.
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Old 2013-07-01, 03:06   Link #3264
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If Morel were a transmuter, he wouldn't need a pipe. He uses the pipe to produce smoke and then manipulates it. So manipulator. Knov should be either conjurer or specialist.
Conjurer- remember, both Shizuku and OWL from the mafia have very similar abilities, and both are conjurers.
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Old 2013-07-01, 16:19   Link #3265
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It all makes Morel's argument about a battle of Nen not being measured in strength all the more true.
This lesson was proven 40 episodes ago when Kurapika fought Uvogin. Uvogin was definitely the stronger of the 2, but he lost the moment he guessed Kurapika was a manipulator instead of a Conjurer.

Wouldn't be surprising if the Chimera lose to humans who create new rules to their nen abilities that make it stronger only when the opponent is a Chimera. Might be the only way to defeat them.

I guess that would be one of the dangers of making so many enemies.. only a matter of time before one or some of them develop special nen abilities just for you!
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Old 2013-07-01, 17:07   Link #3266
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This lesson was proven 40 episodes ago when Kurapika fought Uvogin. Uvogin was definitely the stronger of the 2, but he lost the moment he guessed Kurapika was a manipulator instead of a Conjurer.

Wouldn't be surprising if the Chimera lose to humans who create new rules to their nen abilities that make it stronger only when the opponent is a Chimera. Might be the only way to defeat them.
That would be really cheap.

It would also go against the principle that developing abilities takes time and dedication. It has to resonate with something from deep within you, not just be suitable for a monster of the week.
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Old 2013-07-01, 18:57   Link #3267
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Kind of felt bad for Killua during his conversation with Gon at the cafe'. During the York Shin arc Killua was the defacto authority on how to tail the spiders and any other stealthy dangerous things. Now even Gon is disagreeing if not totally at least half of what Killua was thinking.

Killua isn't wrong to want them to be safe, but you can see Gon really doesn't agree with Killua's assertion that a fight that can only be won 2 out 100 times is a fight one shouldn't even bother with. Doesn't Killua see that those are exactly the kind of odds Gon lives for!?

Those 2 are really going to butt heads as they grow into Pro-Hunters if their entire approach is going to be so different in life or death situations.

What would Killua do if Gon was going to die against an opponent he had a 1/100 chance of winning against? Run away? Would he want or expect Gon to do the same?
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Old 2013-07-01, 20:46   Link #3268
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That would be really cheap.

It would also go against the principle that developing abilities takes time and dedication. It has to resonate with something from deep within you, not just be suitable for a monster of the week.
I'd assume that said humans would only develop these abilities after great loss and devastation, which the Chimeras are easily capable of. Infact they aren't just monsters of the week.. they're center stage to take over as the dominant species of the planet.

Besides, its no more cheap than Chimera Ants hours old being capable of Nen that puts the greatest masters on the planet to shame.
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Old 2013-07-01, 20:51   Link #3269
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This lesson was proven 40 episodes ago when Kurapika fought Uvogin. Uvogin was definitely the stronger of the 2, but he lost the moment he guessed Kurapika was a manipulator instead of a Conjurer.
To be fair that's a very rare circumstance. How often are we going to see abilities that completely shut down someone's Nen? That was pretty much the only battle so far that was basically paper beats rock. We've seen battles where even with smart thinking, the smarter guy lost because he wasn't strong enough. Morel's little speech is silly. Killua and Gon are totally outclassed by Pitou. Pretty clear with the recent episode that even Morel, Knov, and Netero are outclassed by Pitou individually and don't want to fight him.

Maybe Morel should take his own advice and hope his Nen ability beats Pitou's and go charging in. That'd prove a point!
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Old 2013-07-01, 21:17   Link #3270
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Morel's little speech is silly. Killua and Gon are totally outclassed by Pitou. Pretty clear with the recent episode that even Morel, Knov, and Netero are outclassed by Pitou individually and don't want to fight him.

Maybe Morel should take his own advice and hope his Nen ability beats Pitou's and go charging in. That'd prove a point!
I think people are missing the point as to why they were hard on Killua. Its not that he ran away.. its because he allowed himself to be overwhelmed by the enemy's Aura and ran scared. They even commented on how pitiful he looked when they got there.

Your resolve effects your Nen which effects your chances of victory. Morel gave sound advice imo. Killua seems to only want to fight when he knows as much as he can about an opponent. Even Gon disagreed with him last episode on their approach to passing Netero's test.

Notice how Netero and co are calmly evaluating their options instead of running scared after seeing how strong the enemy is? They haven't given into the "I can't possibly win" mentality.
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Old 2013-07-01, 23:42   Link #3271
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Seems if someone's Nen is completely overwhelming you it's because they're a lot stronger than you. Look what happened with Hisoka, even after they managed to not be crushed by his presence they still aren't even a match for him. Sure, it'd be great if he was able to control his fear, but running was still the right call. Acting like Gon would have gotten them both killed.

Netero gets to observe the enemy and not run away scared because 1) they're probably strong enough they can fend Pitou off while escaping if they need to (and the 3 of them together certainly helps) and 2) Pitou didn't notice them until they made their move. Killua for example was able to tail the Spiders without being scared despite knowing they're stronger than him. Killua wasn't just observing Pitou, Killua was right in Pitou's face.
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Old 2013-07-02, 00:58   Link #3272
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That Palm girl sure is creepy, with her pale complexion & appetite for sugar.

I never knew "L" (Death Note) had a long-lost sister.
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Old 2013-07-02, 04:08   Link #3273
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Do you think Zeno and Silva are going to NGL? They're going to kick some ass!
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Old 2013-07-02, 08:05   Link #3274
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Seems if someone's Nen is completely overwhelming you it's because they're a lot stronger than you. Look what happened with Hisoka, even after they managed to not be crushed by his presence they still aren't even a match for him. Sure, it'd be great if he was able to control his fear, but running was still the right call. Acting like Gon would have gotten them both killed.

Netero gets to observe the enemy and not run away scared because 1) they're probably strong enough they can fend Pitou off while escaping if they need to (and the 3 of them together certainly helps) and 2) Pitou didn't notice them until they made their move. Killua for example was able to tail the Spiders without being scared despite knowing they're stronger than him. Killua wasn't just observing Pitou, Killua was right in Pitou's face.
As I said, no one was blaming Killua for running away. We can all agree it was the right choice. Its the fact that he (and only he) got overwhelmed by the enemy and was practically defeated without the enemy lifting a finger to him. Out of few the people that encountered Pitou so far, Killua was the only one who reacted with fear. We were told a few times now a hunter cannot be like this.

Rewatch the scene when Pitou stares at Gon and Killua. Look at Killua's face.. that right there is the core of what Morel was hard on Killua for.
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Old 2013-07-02, 09:25   Link #3275
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As I said, no one was blaming Killua for running away. We can all agree it was the right choice. Its the fact that he (and only he) got overwhelmed by the enemy and was practically defeated without the enemy lifting a finger to him. Out of few the people that encountered Pitou so far, Killua was the only one who reacted with fear. We were told a few times now a hunter cannot be like this.

Rewatch the scene when Pitou stares at Gon and Killua. Look at Killua's face.. that right there is the core of what Morel was hard on Killua for.
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Old 2013-07-02, 10:57   Link #3276
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So with the current episode, we now know everyone here.

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Old 2013-07-03, 11:01   Link #3277
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Kind of felt bad for Killua during his conversation with Gon at the cafe'. During the York Shin arc Killua was the defacto authority on how to tail the spiders and any other stealthy dangerous things. Now even Gon is disagreeing if not totally at least half of what Killua was thinking.

Killua isn't wrong to want them to be safe, but you can see Gon really doesn't agree with Killua's assertion that a fight that can only be won 2 out 100 times is a fight one shouldn't even bother with. Doesn't Killua see that those are exactly the kind of odds Gon lives for!?

Those 2 are really going to butt heads as they grow into Pro-Hunters if their entire approach is going to be so different in life or death situations.

What would Killua do if Gon was going to die against an opponent he had a 1/100 chance of winning against? Run away? Would he want or expect Gon to do the same?
You misunderstand. This isn't about a situation where your chance of winning is something silly like 2%. This is about a situation where your chance of winning is unknown.
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Old 2013-07-07, 02:19   Link #3278
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I did not expect to like Knuckle so much! But I'm worried about the eventual fate of that far-too-adorable dog.....
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Old 2013-07-07, 06:40   Link #3279
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Gon & Killua still training hard.
Taking on Knuckle so soon...
I thought it was a bad idea, but it turned out to be the opposite.
That guy was just a weirdo, but with a good heart.
Chimera Ant fight was going well so far.
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Old 2013-07-07, 07:02   Link #3280
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Knuckle is one of those characters you don't need to warm up to. You can go ahead and like him from the get go. That's how I see him anyways. He's very straightforward, there's no real need to understand his hidden depths cos he's pretty much an open book.


One thing noteworthy about this series though is that as our heroes keep getting stronger, obviously their enemies also increase in strength, but also they start meeting new allies who are also on a whole new level. Knuckle is the best example of this. As they are now he's way beyond their level, and he's not even using his ability yet.
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