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Old 2012-09-25, 22:19   Link #61
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The problem, at least to me, is not is lack of self confidence. Thats pretty much the reality of many kids these days that dont look like a magazine suggest they should.

Its ok for him to be fat also, his shape relates to his state of mind and thatīs is part of his character design. The real issue is his lack of human proportions, He could have been all the above and have a human proportion and it would have been alright. But how do you relate his design to the rest of the cast? its strange and hard to relate to as a viewer, because the viewer is human and even if fat, his head, arms, legs are proportioned in a human way... Sometimes he does not seem human. But his personality compensates for it and it prevents him to look, or be too alien.

Someone said that maybe the story is viewed from his distorted point of view, thus he sees himself like that. I would like to think like that, but as a supposition is a big "if"... Hope the author address this in one or another, being he is like that, or is just his projection of self.

Either way, this is only my opinion.
So what if Haru's real apperance is actually a tall lanky guy like Shu Ouma?
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Old 2012-09-26, 04:14   Link #62
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^ Interesting they are both voiced by the same guy, Yūki Kaji.
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Old 2012-09-26, 08:51   Link #63
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lololol, you want anatomically correct proportions on anime/manga characters?
Oh my sides. :XD:
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Old 2012-09-26, 09:09   Link #64
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Well, it's kinda like that. But it kinda begs the question of what exactly is the correct anatomical proportion for a male anime character.
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Old 2012-09-26, 13:43   Link #65
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Well, it's kinda like that. But it kinda begs the question of what exactly is the correct anatomical proportion for a male anime character.
Eh, people just seem to be butt-hurt that Haru doesn't look like what they deem "suitable" or "appropriate".
Seriously, people, get over it. Enjoy the series without this complaint.
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Old 2012-09-26, 17:15   Link #66
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Hehe. Not to mention they're jealous that KYH falls in love with a fat guy for no apparent reason.

Well, thing is, KYH probably did some research about him, and during that research she fell in love for him for what he is. KYH being a long-time player of BB, should have her mental age ramped up to the hundreds, and thus has gone past the point of judging people based on their looks and caring about what people will say about her (weird :heh) taste in romantic partners.

Thin lanky guys (in-universe) won't be able to give the satisfaction (for lack of better word) she's looking for, as none of them would have the brain capacity to attain great potential in Brain Burst. I am not saying thin lanky guys are slow-witted, per se. It's just that many of her suitors don't even have the potential to become great at Brain Burst. Taku? He's hasn't even met KYH at the time.

Notwithstanding the ridiculously controversial romance part, she found the greatest potential on Haru, whose pig avatar is so fast that he could attain high scores in virtual squash without even using Burst Link (KYH has all but stated that she had to Burst Link to beat Haru's scores). That kind of brain power is truly worthy of KYH's only one available copy of Brain Burst.
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Old 2012-12-15, 21:47   Link #67
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I'm reading Baka Tsuki's translations of the first novel now, and I'm struck by Haruyuki's love for (and skill at) First Person Shooters. And also remembering the collection he had back at home.

Considering all that, it's a bit funny that Silver Crow is purely a close-range combatant, without a single ranged attack.

Even Laser Sword is an Attack Enhancement technique, rather than a Range Extention, right? Rather than range, it increases the striking speed and damage of his <<Punch>> attack, while imparting a "cutting/piercing" quality.


Maybe he'll eventually get himself a handgun? Or would that be too "unheroic" for our protagonist, to shoot from the safety of the sky?
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Old 2012-12-17, 09:43   Link #68
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Even in later volumes. He really doesn't have a real range ability. Just pure speed. Attack and retreat then attack again. It might sound weak but its devastating if your attacks won't connect.
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Old 2012-12-17, 11:07   Link #69
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Is that his answer to surprise snipers and other anti-air tactics? Being too fast to shoot?
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Old 2012-12-17, 19:06   Link #70
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Is that his answer to surprise snipers and other anti-air tactics? Being too fast to shoot?
Pretty much.

SC is really built upon speed above all else. If we compare him to a real life plane, he would most likely be the SR-71 Blackbird.
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Old 2012-12-17, 19:15   Link #71
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Maybe if he keeps specializing on speed, he will get an Enhanced Armament that increases his defense AND speed at a high enough level.
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Old 2012-12-17, 20:26   Link #72
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He could also develop an IS Technique of the Mobility Enhancement type.

Heck, isn't such a thing how he kept recharging the Gale Thruster? At least, I assume that was Haru's doing.

It's actually possible that Sky Raker "enchanted" it, much as Chrome Disaster seems to have "enchanted" his armor so that it still retains IS technique effects even when not equipped on the Burst Linker who knew the technique.


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SC is really built upon speed above all else. If we compare him to a real life plane, he would most likely be the SR-71 Blackbird.
If he keeps getting faster, eventually he'd become effectively invincible. You'd need to resort to carpet-bombing and curtain fire to hit him.

Or else attempt to engage him in confined spaces, where he has less room to dodge and no real room to benefit from flying. And absolutely no room to execute a dive attack.

Setting up traps for him to run into would also work. Or disorienting him with attacks like Silly Go Round.
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Old 2012-12-20, 17:33   Link #73
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The light novels reveal that Haruyuki actually preferred to beat games in tricky, clever, pragmatic ways.

For example, the kind of strategy KYH outlined for his rematch with Ash Roller, where he would make one sneak attack, run away, and either wait for Time Out or beat Ash Roller in a place where Silver Crow had the advantage.

If that's how Haru really preferred to win, it would seem he ought to have been Yellow. Combined with his preferrence for First Person Shooters, perhaps Orange.

Yet he ends up with an avatar based around pure power in the form of linear speed. Flight gives him unlimited three-dimensional manuvering, but he must always attack directly, in a straight line, at maximum speed. It's very straightforward, very predictable, and very inflexible in terms of strategy.


Moreover, he ends up with a Metallic Color, which specialize by Damage Resistances rather than by abilities. There's no apparent reason why, since there's no identifiable criteria for why a person would qualify for a Metallic Color as opposed to a Chromatic one.

That is, as far as I can tell, Silver Crow could have easily been "Sky Blue" like Raker, or "Blue Green" like Ash Roller.


The novels also reveal that Haru's home has been virtually empty for more than two years, with his father abandoning him and his mother, and his mother "checking out" on Haru as an alchoholic.

It's bizarre that the psychological scarring of this home situation is ignored to focus purely on the scarring Haru recieved from his peers.
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Old 2012-12-22, 22:04   Link #74
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The light novels reveal that Haruyuki actually preferred to beat games in tricky, clever, pragmatic ways.

For example, the kind of strategy KYH outlined for his rematch with Ash Roller, where he would make one sneak attack, run away, and either wait for Time Out or beat Ash Roller in a place where Silver Crow had the advantage.

If that's how Haru really preferred to win, it would seem he ought to have been Yellow. Combined with his preferrence for First Person Shooters, perhaps Orange.

Yet he ends up with an avatar based around pure power in the form of linear speed. Flight gives him unlimited three-dimensional manuvering, but he must always attack directly, in a straight line, at maximum speed. It's very straightforward, very predictable, and very inflexible in terms of strategy.


Moreover, he ends up with a Metallic Color, which specialize by Damage Resistances rather than by abilities. There's no apparent reason why, since there's no identifiable criteria for why a person would qualify for a Metallic Color as opposed to a Chromatic one.

That is, as far as I can tell, Silver Crow could have easily been "Sky Blue" like Raker, or "Blue Green" like Ash Roller.


The novels also reveal that Haru's home has been virtually empty for more than two years, with his father abandoning him and his mother, and his mother "checking out" on Haru as an alchoholic.

It's bizarre that the psychological scarring of this home situation is ignored to focus purely on the scarring Haru recieved from his peers.
No scar is ignored here.

First, we have the ideia that all those things make Haru wnats to "run away", or in better stance, fly away from his life.

So, here we have two things the speed and the flight ability
Also, he suffer from bullying, with makes he want to be resistent to suffering
And then, we have the metal...
The only problemn here is that mettalic color is weak to close range...

A question here, someone knows the exact resistences and weakness form the metal color? And the excat connection to the color and the scar form haru?
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Old 2012-12-22, 23:14   Link #75
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No scar is ignored here.
Parental abandonment may be a good part of his negative self-image and low self-esteem. He's just not getting any love at home.

Generally, kids blame themselves when one parent just up and leaves. "Was I bad? Am I just not good enough to love?"

Haru explicitly doesn't believe he's worthy of people's love.


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And then, we have the metal...
The only problemn here is that mettalic color is weak to close range...

A question here, someone knows the exact resistences and weakness form the metal color? And the excat connection to the color and the scar form haru?
Strong Against: Physical piercing, physical cutting
Immune Against: Fire, ice, disease (Poison?)
Weak Against: Physical impact (crushing pressure?), electricity, corrosion

It's not that Silver is weak at close range combat. Kuroyukihime even said it was decent at that.

Silver Crow's problem with close-range combat is that he's designed through-and-through for hit-and-run.

He's an extreme lightweight, which makes it easier to fly and dodge, but which gives him very little mass to put behind his strikes. Further, his avatar's strikes are very basic, without any weapon or special move to improve their mass, reach or power.

A Silver avatar not based around flight could theoretically be a heavyweight with superior attacks, or perhaps a close-range weapon, and some ability equivalent to wings which capitalizes on close-range combat. And since most close-range weapons will be piercing or cutting rather than blunt, Silver's resistances would serve him well in close-combat.

Sure, fist fighters would generally deal blunt damage with their bodies, but fists don't strike as hard as swords or spears.
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Old 2012-12-22, 23:36   Link #76
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Parental abandonment may be a good part of his negative self-image and low self-esteem. He's just not getting any love at home.

Generally, kids blame themselves when one parent just up and leaves. "Was I bad? Am I just not good enough to love?"

Haru explicitly doesn't believe he's worthy of people's love.
Yes, so how this makea sacr being ignored?
Like i said... Haru just want to fly away from his live...
And about the silver color... Again, is seens preety resistent... So again is maybe because he wants to protect himself from the pain and suffering...

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Strong Against: Physical piercing, physical cutting
Immune Against: Fire, ice, disease (Poison?)
trying to be philosphical here...
Piercing and cuting can represent not the lieteral phisical pain, but the emotional pain that he suffers (he saind in a moment that he get used to being hit)
Fire is something also very painful, and also can represents his repressed anger... (i have the felling that have yet another meaning, but is 2:00 am iand i can think proplely)
Ice... Hum, dont really know... (2:00 am) mayb because he was "frozen" because he can do nothing to react?
And disease, well, maybe he is diyng insed little by little?
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Old 2013-02-04, 02:27   Link #77
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Ice->cold->no warmth->loneliness.
And the poison part is like what you say, most likely his hatred and self-loathing which would eventually kill him inside.
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Old 2013-03-28, 18:13   Link #78
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The propulsion generated by Silver Crow's wings is completely independent of his avatar's muscle power. That is, his muscle power factors into the speed at which he punches and runs on foot, but his wings determine his flight speed.

We know that Haruyuki has devoted upgrades to improving his avatar's speed and flight time (ie: reducing the SP-cost of Aviation). The grammar of the translations leave it unclear if he has improved his flight speed, body speed, or both.

Since body speed is determined by muscle mass (among other factors), improving his running and punching speed would require increasing his muscle mass, which would increase his weight and toughness, as well as the weight and strength of his physical blows.

While that might have happened, it doesn't seem so.

Improving his flight speed would mean upgrading the propulsion generated by his wings, which provides no benefit to his speed at all when not using Aviation. Since it was Kuroyukihime's advise to focus on his wings alone, it makes sense that he would choose to improve his wings rather than his whole body.

But further, it's possible that flight speed and flight time can be improved through the single factor of cost. There are at least two ways to improve Aviation's propulsion by way of cost.


The first way is to allow Silver Crow to spend more SP on the ability than he could before, to achieve greater speeds than before. Basically, upgrading the upper limit of his fuel-to-power conversion rate.

As an illustration, I think that he can use a full Special Gauge to travel at top speed for 15 minutes. But by increasing his conversion rate, he could possibly achieve orbit in 1 second by blowing all of his SP at once.

The numbers are probably wrong, but that should communicate the basic idea. Namely, that there is a limit to how much SP Silver Crow can spend on flying power from second-to-second. His "engine" is capped.


But, while that would definitely improve Silver Crow's flight speed, it wouldn't actually improve his flight time. The opposite method would do both.

If Silver Crow instead had the option to reduce the cost of Aviation, he can achieve the same levels of propulsion as before, without having to spend as much SP as before.

If he could originally use a full Special Gauge to fly at top speed for 15 minutes, this could allow him to fly 15 minutes at the same speeds while still having SP left over, or to fly at the same speeds for a longer period of time.

This doesn't directly improve flight speed, as you can see. Flight speed is only improved indirectly, in that Silver Crow is more free to achieve his top speeds without worrying as much about the costs.

That is, if Silver Crow wanted to be cautious about his SP, as when expecting an ambush while traveling the Unlimited Neutral Field, he might spend 15 minutes flying at only half speed. He doesn't cover as much distance, but he conserves some SP.

With an upgrade to improve the economy of his propulsion, he could afford to travel at full speed, because he would still have some more SP left over than he would before.
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Old 2013-07-08, 23:17   Link #79
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Looks like I was misled.

Reading the translated bonus novel, Silver Crow's Level 2 "Hard Armor" choice wasn't a reinforcement, but an Enhanced Armament.

Makes sense, really. Since Silver Crow benefits so much from being lightweight, heavier armor would be a double-edged sword. So it would be advantageous to have the ability to equip or remove an external piece of armor depending on what weight he needs to be.

Though sometimes being heavier can be an advantage in flight, such as when he wants to lose altitude more rapidly, either falling to avoid an attack or adding mass to his diving punch or kick.

Indeed, thinking about it like that has me rethinking the idea of a Duel Avatar whose major feature is switching between a lightweight basic form and a heavyweight armored state.
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Old 2013-07-13, 21:10   Link #80
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Original Special Attack: Headbutt

Original System Ability: Aviation

Level 2 - Flight Power/Speed Up (judging by the effect from choosing the upgrade in his fight against Jade Jailor)

Level 3 - Flight Time Extend?

Level 4 - Some kind of flight upgrade

Level 5 - Unknown, probably another flight upgrade


Huh. At Level 5, Kuroyukihime chose a new Special Attack, and gained three more, since they all worked towards her specialization. And those on top of whatever special attack she started with, and any she chose before Level 5.

Kuroyuki has maybe two canonical "passive upgrades" to her blades (to cut through anything, and to cut at maximum strength even when completely still), so there's only so many passive abilities that the system will generate for an ability or weapon before it starts spitting out Special Attacks instead.

Since Silver Crow's wings aren't weapons, the system might instead provide Special Moves. In the end, it's still offering him techniques which require Special Points to use.


Maybe Silver Crow can gain an ability to transform into a large metal crow? Becoming more aerodynamic for better flight, and with big grasping talons to strike his enemies or lift his allies?

Maybe he can spend half his gauge to cause his allies to grow their own wings?

Maybe he can teleport while in flight, allowing him to bypass obstacles that would make him crash?



As an interesting note, Silver Crow can unfold his wings even without any SP at all. He can't fly, but it allows him to slow and control his falls, among other uses.
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