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Old 2013-07-19, 20:57   Link #201
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I just get so sick of the One True Hero fixation.

One of the things I loved about the Odin Sphere videogame was that it had FIVE different main characters, some of whom were fighting on opposite sides of the war. Final Fantasy 6 and Chrono were also fair about spreading the love beyond a single character.

I grew up reading Dragon-Lance and Battletech novels, with numerous heroes who drove the plot.

Haruyuki's a great character, don't get me wrong. I DO want to see more of him. But Takumu is a great character too, and I don't want to see him left in the dust because the author needs to pander to the audience by introducing yet MORE cute girls for the harem!
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Old 2013-07-23, 09:31   Link #202
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I hope this doesn't count as a double post...

Volume 7 revealed a number of details about Chrome Falcon; namely his hands being able to form a sharp claw-like shape, his small, speed-type body, and a physique otherwise very similar to Crow. Falcon also lacked any other Normal Moves besides punches and kicks, and that Flash Blink is a Level 5 move, chosen by Level up Bonus, suggests with some probability that each bonus was spent on a new move.

Furthermore, it is hinted his shell of trauma originates from his compressing of feelings and keeping them far away, and his parents are rarely home. This draws many parallels with Haruyuki.

Finally, the difficulty in infuriating either of them suggests a non-confrontational approach to problems.

It is wild speculation, I concede, but it is quite possible that Chrome Falcon could have been the first flying avatar in Accelerated World.
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Old 2013-07-23, 10:30   Link #203
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Wait, are you saying he only got Flash Blink at level 5, or he put all four upgrades into Flash Blink?

You're not saying he's another Dusk Taker who allegedly had no special attack or ability at all until after he leveled up enough times, right?
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Old 2013-07-23, 16:22   Link #204
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The former case.

It simply could be a case of the author saving himself some effort, but for Falcon, the only named ability is Flash Blink, and no other ability.
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Old 2013-07-23, 16:58   Link #205
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Former: Chrome Falcon only got Flash Blink at Level 5, and didn't have it before then, and probably had other abilities that the author hasn't bothered to name or allude to?



As for the author saving himself effort, I don't begrudge him for having Silver Crow sink three upgrades into Aviation. Keeping Silver Crow simple is a virtue, and this allows the author to justify Crow's flight being really damn powerful.

As a Level 1 character, everyone was awed by his never-before-seen Aviation, but gamebalance dictates that it can't have been all that hot. Because he was just a Level 1.

Cyan Pile probably still could have won that fight if he'd fought smarter than "anchor down and let the meteor come right at me." Silver Crow shouldn't have had any flight time left over by the time they set back down.

If Cyan Pile refunds his choices and sinks them all into his Pile-Driver, the avatar becomes simpler and easier to write for, and the author can justify Pile suddenly becoming a much more effective combatant. (Because his basic attacks are suddenly much more deadly and he doesn't have to rely on any special attack.)
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Old 2013-07-24, 00:16   Link #206
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Sorry for that short reply; yes, that's what Chrome Falcon is described as. Unless there's a short story of sorts, his and Taker's lack of congruity may never be expanded upon.
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Old 2013-08-03, 01:43   Link #207
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Spoiler for Originally posted by Tusjecht, 26/07/2013, 2140:

I spoke too soon; having read the rest of V11.4 in camp, I have a concrete answer for that.

I'll see what translation work can I get done this afternoon; if I'm fast enough, I can even get V11.4 done today.

Edit: This part is freshly translated and explains everything.

Some terms are italicised to distinguish between the normal usage of ability (能力) and ability written in katakana (アビリティ) and other misc. terms.
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From this, a lot can be understood from Silver Crow, Dusk Taker, and even Chrome Falcon.

Haruyuki acquired his wings in the middle of his battle with Cyan Pile and not his first battle with Ash Roller, or even the so-called tutorial duel with KYH. In that particular duel, Haruyuki was half-dead, on the edge of giving up, and was beside his loved one on her hospital bed when he looked up through the Crow-sized hole and saw a star shining through the sky. It was at that instant when he recalled his wish to fly high above. Only then did his wings appear.

In other words, in a process very similar to incarnating for himself a pair of wings (it's stated to be impossible, but let's assume he could), Haruyuki confronted his own trauma, specifically the one that made Silver Crow. He then gained an actual system ability that could be upgraded like any other move; specifically, a limited activation type passive skill that I mentioned in the BB rules thread.

Dusk Taker having no equivalent thus would be explained by him not having the courage to face the trauma that made him; the wish to not have things robbed from himself. It is likely that after having so many points and items robbed from him by his brother that Noumi therefore gained an active skill that let him steal.

Chrome Falcon likewise, despite having many hints that he could have been a predecessor to Silver Crow, may not have learnt Aviation, or a skill similar to it, because he may not have ever encountered a situation in which he would then have his ability triggered. Sadly, the only other time where it came close was also his final moments as a sane Burst Linker.
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Old 2013-08-03, 06:23   Link #208
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That cannot possibly be fair.

To balance that, Cyan Pile shouldn't have started with his Pile Driver. But even without that, he would have been superior to Silver Crow as a barehanded fighter because of his greater reach, muscle and armor.
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Old 2013-08-03, 09:27   Link #209
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It still might be. That rule so far is seen applying to Abilities, rather than Enhanced Armaments.

Avatars like Sky Raker and Cyan Pile which start off with an Enhanced Armament would likely have most of their ability unlocked, in this case. The 'same rule, same potential' rule is not violated, I believe, because so long as it is able to be unlocked the avatar can potentially be as strong as an avatar with a starting EA.

...perhaps that is the tradeoff then? Black Lotus' limbs should fall ubder 'specialised body parts,' and she gained the deadly passive skill Terminating Sword, but Raker had nothing else other than a 300m jump height with her Gale Thruster at Level 8 as well.

It suggests either that hidden abilities are weaker at the start and stronger after the same number of upgrades, or the same-same rule is being twisted here. :/
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Old 2013-08-03, 17:15   Link #210
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It still might be. That rule so far is seen applying to Abilities, rather than Enhanced Armaments.

Avatars like Sky Raker and Cyan Pile which start off with an Enhanced Armament would likely have most of their ability unlocked, in this case. The 'same rule, same potential' rule is not violated, I believe, because so long as it is able to be unlocked the avatar can potentially be as strong as an avatar with a starting EA.
But in the meantime, the avatar with the secret, locked ability is outright inferior and doesn't generally have a chance in hell of winning. Silver Crow's victory against Ash Roller was a one-time fluke that Roller would never fall for again. Silver Crow would have had no chance at all against a Level 1 Cyan Pile.

(Seriously, Pile didn't need Splash Stinger. A lightweight like Silver Crow couldn't keep Pile pinned down in that position, especially when Pile had TWO working arms. All he had to do was grab Crow's remaining wrist, put his Pile Driver right up against his gut, and shoot.)

And what about AFTER the secret ability is unlocked? If there's any sort of balance, the ability would need to be that much more powerful than the Enhanced Armament to make for the weakness the avatar suffered before having it.

But that just violates the "same potential rule" in both directions, because it means that an avatar can be helplessly inferior to another avatar based on nothing but sheer dumb luck. The luck of "did I just happen to meet the circumstances to unlock my killer ability" or "did this other guy happen to meet those circumstances".

If Silver Crow had never fought that exact battle with Cyan Pile (who was his childhood friend) in defense of Kuroyukihime, would he have never acquired Flight? Without Flight, the avatar would be worthless.

Dusk Taker apparently never unlocked his own ability, and not even his first couple of Level Upgrades gave him anything to work with. It's like he didn't even get any choices at all until he hit Level 3 or 4 and got Demonic Commandeer.

It's absolute bullshit.


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Black Lotus' limbs should fall under 'specialised body parts,' and she gained the deadly passive skill Terminating Sword
No real evidence that it isn't a Level Upgrade.


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Raker had nothing else other than a 300m jump height with her Gale Thruster at Level 8 as well.
That's conjecture! At the very least, we know she can cut other avatars in half with her bare hands, and her legs ought to be capable of powerful kicks. She probably has a Special Attack kick.


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or the same-same rule is being twisted here. :/
It seems like the author violating his own rules no damned reason.

Shit, if he wants Silver Crow to gain the power to defend against laser attacks, there's ALREADY a feature in the game for gaining power outside of your level potential: Enhanced Armaments!

The author even already used that trick! Black Lotus gained the Mystic Reins, Sky Raker gifted the Gale Thruster to Silver Crow, the Kings of Pure Color gathered the Sacred Arcs, Chrome Falcon acquired the Star Caster.

The author ALSO already included ways for Burst Linkers to learn <<Out of System Skills>. Black Lotus has the Soft Act skill which is neither a feature of her avatar nor an Incarnate Skill, and Black Lotus has a number of Incarnate Skills as well.

Nega Nebulus could have hunted an Enemy for a mirror-shield or mirror-armor, and have the member who equips it learn a skill or Incarnate Skill for defending against laser attacks with that tool. The mirror could have gone to their main-tank (Pile) or support-tank (Bell) rather than tying up their speedy-attacker (Crow).

This is bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
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Old 2013-08-04, 21:25   Link #211
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Well, in MMOs, noobs will be noobs unless they have number-crunching behind them.

Nega employs none of them.
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Old 2013-08-06, 14:28   Link #212
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I'm about to text flood. apologizing in advance for any errors hehe

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But in the meantime, the avatar with the secret, locked ability is outright inferior and doesn't generally have a chance in hell of winning. Silver Crow's victory against Ash Roller was a one-time fluke that Roller would never fall for again. Silver Crow would have had no chance at all against a Level 1 Cyan Pile.

(Seriously, Pile didn't need Splash Stinger. A lightweight like Silver Crow couldn't keep Pile pinned down in that position, especially when Pile had TWO working arms. All he had to do was grab Crow's remaining wrist, put his Pile Driver right up against his gut, and shoot.)
That wasn't a fluke at all. He planned that out with his brain on the spot. That's why they called him an intellectual type avatar after the feat.

I also believe that Haru could definitely have beaten Taku. He did some fair damage to CP despite being a few levels off and frail. He was using speed to get multiple hits in. And CP did pin crow down and fire. His killer move still didn't finish crow off despite SC loosing an arm and taking splash stingers damage. All Haru had to do was use the right strategy. Or he could even have focused every attack on CP's arm joint to break off his main weapon and headbutt(the pile hurts more than splash stinger).

Or still could have continued taunting/embarrassing Taku(in front of his allies) to disorient the already unstable kid enough to take advantage.
There are many ways to win a fight, and EA/abilities aren't always as straight-foreward as you think
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And what about AFTER the secret ability is unlocked? If there's any sort of balance, the ability would need to be that much more powerful than the Enhanced Armament to make for the weakness the avatar suffered before having it.
Not necessarily. It depends on more than just pitting the two together in a straight up "vs." format. There are many other factors involved around the ability/EA itself and how they're used to determine how they will match-up.
Ex; both fighters are lv1 but one has a wide range EA flamethrower. Player 2(no ability or EA) is automatically outmatched. But what if they fight underwater like in that OVA? Not anymore. Furthermore, what if the two level up and fight again but player two's new ability doesnt do much for him(gains x-ray visor)? He can use the new ability in conjunction with the stage to set/locate traps for the EA user ect.. So it's not always the case that having an ability/EA equates power. It could even be double-edged.

Buuuuut, according to Raker, IS has priority over both EA and ability. So once any avatar uses that system, both EA and abilities can't really hold their ground. Flightless SC for example could theoretically master the IS and become a soaring, laser-shooting, high-speed menace. IS totally changes the game balance altogether.


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If Silver Crow had never fought that exact battle with Cyan Pile (who was his childhood friend) in defense of Kuroyukihime, would he have never acquired Flight? Without Flight, the avatar would be worthless.
Highly doubt it. The scenario just provided the real catalyst which was Haru's desire to fly higher. That could have happened at any time in his BB career. And likely soon since his naturally low self-esteem ironically makes him long for such. Besides he already proved he was not a useless candidate for BB in his obscenely high mental reflexes. So high Kyh had to speed up her brain 1000x times just to reach his score(more than once I think) and that his avatars limitations could be overcome with ideas like in his Ash Roller fight.

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Dusk Taker apparently never unlocked his own ability, and not even his first couple of Level Upgrades gave him anything to work with. It's like he didn't even get any choices at all until he hit Level 3 or 4 and got Demonic Commandeer.
If he was really that useless he wouldn't have leveled up several times without any particular ability/EA. Obviously he had strong grit and some fighting ability.

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That's conjecture! At the very least, we know she can cut other avatars in half with her bare hands, and her legs ought to be capable of powerful kicks. She probably has a Special Attack kick.
Maybe. Or she could be using technique, which is the basis of martial arts and which would allow her to do something as unusual as that? It's possible in BB.


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Shit, if he wants Silver Crow to gain the power to defend against laser attacks, there's ALREADY a feature in the game for gaining power outside of your level potential: Enhanced Armaments!

The author even already used that trick! Black Lotus gained the Mystic Reins, Sky Raker gifted the Gale Thruster to Silver Crow, the Kings of Pure Color gathered the Sacred Arcs, Chrome Falcon acquired the Star Caster.

The author ALSO already included ways for Burst Linkers to learn <<Out of System Skills>. Black Lotus has the Soft Act skill which is neither a feature of her avatar nor an Incarnate Skill, and Black Lotus has a number of Incarnate Skills as well.

Nega Nebulus could have hunted an Enemy for a mirror-shield or mirror-armor, and have the member who equips it learn a skill or Incarnate Skill for defending against laser attacks with that tool. The mirror could have gone to their main-tank (Pile) or support-tank (Bell) rather than tying up their speedy-attacker (Crow).
That's logical, and I'm not discounting it. But I thought there was a reason why they wanted SC to learn the technique? Something about his metal attribute and being close in color to that Mirror avatar I think. But then again with a mirror(unless completely flay/smooth) there is the possibility of reflecting more than just a single beam, IF the bearer can control it. So with that and the large winged enemy in mind, the laser would likely be reflecting upward at Medatron - also where the speedy air born attacker likes to launch his attacks. A non laser-proof SC would best stay on the ground and attack from there, but everyone else would do a better job. It's better anyway to give Haru the ability since the skies are unsafe prior to reflecting the beam in the right spot. Also since without the open skies he's one of the weakest. [/QUOTE]

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Old 2013-08-06, 17:51   Link #213
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That wasn't a fluke at all. He planned that out with his brain on the spot. That's why they called him an intellectual type avatar after the feat.
Perhaps I chose the wrong word.

I meant that it was a victory Silver Crow would never win again. From that point on, Ash Roller knows about that weakness and will be on guard against it. Indeed, his IS skill to "surf" his bike without his hands is perhaps a deliberate attempt to counter that particular loss, and it is exactly how Roller prevented Crow from succeeding at the same thing after Crow lost his wings.

I also meant that you should never count on winning a fight through desperate inspiration. When it happens, be grateful, because it just as easily could have NOT happened.


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I also believe that Haru could definitely have beaten Taku.
If Pile had done what I said? The Pile-Driver severed Crow's arm; the Splash Stinger ended up breaking off his foot. If Pile had grabbed Crow to prevent him from dodging and fired the Pile-Driver into his torso, the damage would have been far more severe.


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He did some fair damage to CP despite being a few levels off and frail. He was using speed to get multiple hits in.
Silver Crow is faster on foot because of a different power/weight ratio, but that doesn't necessarily translate to punching or blocking faster. Arms have a different power/weight ratio than the whole body, so that someone who runs slowly can still punch and block quickly.

Also, please remember that Cyan Pile reached Level 4, and how many fights that must have taken. Many of those fights against fellow Blue characters, since he lived within the Blue Legion territory.

Why woudn't Takumu recognize Silver Crow as a speed-type? Why wouldn't he anticipate Crow's footspeed and evasive agility? Or even striking speed, if that would somehow be faster as well?

As to the damage taken, Pile had a lot more HP to lose, being bigger and tougher than Crow.


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And CP did pin crow down and fire. His killer move still didn't finish crow off despite SC loosing an arm and taking splash stingers damage.
A Killer Move that deals less damage than a normal move, especially when the normal move was a Piercing attack against an avatar resistant to such? And the Killer Move was a blunt impact attack, against which Silver ought to be WEAK.

Either Spiral Gravity Driver is hilariously weak, or the author was bullshitting, or there's an unspoken rule.

Tusjecht and I believe that Silver Crow survived that attack because of a One More Chance rule built into the game, to allow newbies to keep 1 single Health Point after such a brutal attack. Since it was only Silver Crow's third fight, AND against an opponent three levels stronger, it would be the exact kind of situation the rule would be intended for.

We have no evidence, but it's better than believing the author is incompetent.


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All Haru had to do was use the right strategy. Or he could even have focused every attack on CP's arm joint to break off his main weapon and headbutt(the pile hurts more than splash stinger).
True.

Conversely, all Cyan Pile had to do was use the right strategy. When Silver Crow took to the skies, if Pile had retreated back into the hallways of the hospital, Crow would have lost. He can't fly in such cramped conditions and the Pile-Driver would dominate the narrow hallways. If Crow had refused to follow Pile inside, Pile could just wait until the timer ran out and Crow lost because of having less HP.



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Not necessarily. It depends on more than just pitting the two together in a straight up "vs." format. There are many other factors involved around the ability/EA itself and how they're used to determine how they will match-up.
Ex; both fighters are lv1 but one has a wide range EA flamethrower. Player 2(no ability or EA) is automatically outmatched. But what if they fight underwater like in that OVA? Not anymore.
Neutralizing the EA doesn't also empower the avatar which has no abilities. In fact, the environment may also hinder the weak avatar. Your example environment, for example, would hinder any avatar not built to swim. Further, how many environments completely shut down any EA right from the start?


Furthermore, what if the two level up and fight again but player two's new ability doesnt do much for him(gains x-ray visor)? He can use the new ability in conjunction with the stage to set/locate traps for the EA user ect.. So it's not always the case that having an ability/EA equates power. It could even be double-edged.

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Buuuuut, according to Raker, IS has priority over both EA and ability. So once any avatar uses that system, both EA and abilities can't really hold their ground.
No IS can allow anyone to fly, or else Sky Raker would have managed it. So, game-balanced system abilities are still useful against an IS-opponent. "Priority" only refers to inflicting damage or absorbing damage.

In any case, the Incarnate System is irrelevant to avatar-balance. Incarnate Skills are not taken into account when the system designs and balances an avatar.


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Highly doubt it. The scenario just provided the real catalyst which was Haru's desire to fly higher. That could have happened at any time in his BB career. And likely soon since his naturally low self-esteem ironically makes him long for such.
And yet, Dusk Taker NEVER discovered whatever ability his avatar had, not even after becoming Level 5.


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If he was really that useless he wouldn't have leveled up several times without any particular ability/EA. Obviously he had strong grit and some fighting ability.
Obviously he did his best to identify and prey on those very, very, very few Burst Linkers who didn't belong to a Legion or who could be caught outside of a Legion's territory, and who didn't have enough of a competitive streak or fighter's mindset.

Not being in a Legion himself, he would also have needed to hide and run from retaliation from those Burst Linker's Parents, friends, rivals or Legionmates.

Even this wouldn't garauntee him victory. Against close-combat avatars, he lacked a weapon or special attack. Against long-range avatars, he lacked a long-range attack or any close-range advantage. He could also never know where his opponent would appear in relation to himself, or what the battlefield would be.

And there would also be those times he'd blindly choose an opponent who proved to be just as competitive and driven to win as he was. Or at least enough so that they would use their advantages to destroy him.

His success stretches belief.


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Maybe. Or she could be using technique, which is the basis of martial arts and which would allow her to do something as unusual as that? It's possible in BB.
Or she's using a very minor Incarnate Skill to make her hand just sharp enough to make that cut when applied with that much force. She's ALREADY using her Incarnate Skills to speed across the ground on that wheelchair.

Which is another case of the author breaking his own rules; where's the Overray glow when she does that? And why is she flouting the secrecy of the Incarnate System by using it for public territory battles?

WHY does no one call her out on this?
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Old 2013-08-06, 21:54   Link #214
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Does the high speed movement the IS offers have a glow? Other offensive/defensive manuvers might, but maybe movement is just a blur. As far as the anime has shown anyway.
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Does the high speed movement the IS offers have a glow?
Scarlet Rain didn't glow when she used her movement IS in the anime, and I don't clearly remember the Light Novel on that score.

Still, if movement skills are the exception, the author should have said so. And perhaps offered an explanation as to why.
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The problem is that she did glow. It's only a single line in the LN, but that it exists, as well as one more detail, once again concludes that the author is making his own rules and breaking them.
Spoiler for Volume 4, Chapter 5:
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Old 2013-08-07, 06:11   Link #217
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Maybe her image of moving the wheelchair is strong enough to move the chair, but not enough to create an excess of Over-Ray?
Spoiler for Vol.4, Ch.5:

While she moved her wheelchair to show Crow the incarnate system, her movement speed did not exceed the system's speed, thus lower or no glow.

What territory battle are you talking about? The OVA one?
Because in the Vol.5, Ch.5 one, she did use her hand to move the wheelchair.
Spoiler for Vol.5, Ch.5:

Same can be said with Ash Roller's V-Twin Fist, since it's also said to use part of the incarnate system. Standing on the motorcycle and controlling it with your feet may not be that realistic, but something similar is possible.
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Since they do not bend BB's rules as extremely as Crow's laser sword or Niko's 30 meters in an instant, the glow may be weaker or non-existent.
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The problem is that she did glow. It's only a single line in the LN, but that it exists, as well as one more detail, once again concludes that the author is making his own rules and breaking them.
Well examining this feat(nico/fuuko) and demonstration of Movement IS as a whole, I wouldn't call this a problem, muchless a violation. I mean yeah, there is a distinct featore of incarnate usage. But seeing as how this is only movement, that it is not really used that often or in such an extreme degree and that the readers/author isn't really going to acknowledge it as much to begin with makes me see this as nothing more than a minor asthetic. A small inconsistency.

It's not like the lack of glow for an IS movement is going to make the audience do a double take(unless they're discussing like we are) or create a huge plothole. It's minor at best. So saying he's making and breaking his own rules here seems like a very rigid statement. Let's give the guy a break, he has enough work on his plate between this and SAO.
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I've been managing a roleplay site for AW for a few months now, and in the process I've finally gained a solid idea as to what makes a Black and White avatar.

This theory ignores Black Vise, since there's been speculation and hints that he wasn't pure Black to start with. Some information from SAO UW is here as well.

This is the reference for my speculation; I'm merely summarising and rewriting it here.

Black Lotus, Graphite Edge, Blood Leopard, and Dusk Taker. In terms of the abilities and equipment they have, there's no question that they're offensive avatars. Lotus cuts, Edge dual wields. Leopard bites and Taker steals.

Sky Raker, Ardor Maiden, and Ash Roller on the other hand are not inherently duel avatars made for combat; they're closer to support-types. Raker flies, Maiden dances (I note that her bow, Flame Caller, could possibly be a reference to the Azusayumi), and Ash Roller rides his Night Rocker. That they still manage to fight well should be recognised as their equipments' ability to be repurposed as weapons.

Furthermore, the dark-coloured avatars (Taker and Lotus in particular) have no qualms about pouring themselves into a battle with merely a reason given by others; inb4 Lotus fights for Haruyuki, but she was Level 9 when they finally met. It can't be a question about love and strength.

The light-coloured avatars, however, have difficulty understanding their own avatars. Ash Roller aside, Maiden can't understand why Ardor Maiden is dichromatic, nor did Fuuko understand the true potential of Sky Raker as an avatar designed for space combat.

Extrapolating, the darker a duel avatar's colour is, the more they're willing to fight, or take action, without reason. The lighter a duel avatar's colour is, the more likely it is that they're not about fighting or engaging others, but concentrating on something about themselves.

Lotus with four untouchable sword limbs absolutely rejects anyone. Edge is all about his twin-swordsmanship and nothing else. Taker would love nothing better than to rob from people (even when he realised he just wanted friends to reach out to him). Leopard...Pard, and Mihaya Kakei embody an urge to conserve, be it time, energy, or even breath when speaking.

On the opposite end, Raker not only fulfilled Fuuko's wish of having real legs, but also her heartfelt wish to go to space; why she forgot her dream and instead reached for the sky is unknown. Ardor Maiden spent hours dancing in the Unlimited Field dancing when she was not allowed to so in the real world; it's very likely that the Flame Caller became her instrument and prop. And Ash Roller: professional bike racer before he fell into a coma. The bike he rides in the Accelerated World is the bike he'd like to have if he has the cash to spare; note that it doesn't say anything about why is he so drawn to racing.

It might then be assumed that Black is the epitome of action without a reason of their own, and White is the peak of someone who sits back and lets their desire fill them, instead of directing any frustrations towards others.

The Black assumption perfectly fits three things: the average shounen protag, Black Lotus, and Kirito.

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The White assumption perfectly fits the known abilities of White Cosmos and Administrator.

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Black and White are opposite ends of the same stick. They are both color of rejection. Black is active against outsiders(to kill, to steal, to reject) while White is passive(apathy, only concentrate to oneself).
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