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Old 2013-08-20, 09:25   Link #4221
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After watching the last episode of Oreimo, and of course being frustrated, I've read many things on this thread (like the author interview which confirms censorship) and I have a question:

In the end of the anime series, Kyosuke just kiss Kirino on the cheek (and I don't even remember her asking him to buy her another ring), and right now you're saying fushimi wanted a kiss on the lips.
Does that mean that in the novel, not only Kirino is asking for that ring, but Kyosuke is also kissing her on the lips?



edit-> oh and I forgot: I understand now well that the story 10years later in the first blue-ray volume is probably worthless, but is there any other work of the same kind we can expect for the other blue-rays? Like a story years later which confirms even in a subtle way that they are still together?
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Old 2013-08-20, 09:32   Link #4222
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In the end of the anime series, Kyosuke just kiss Kirino on the cheek (and I don't even remember her asking him to buy her another ring), and right now you're saying fushimi wanted a kiss on the lips.
Does that mean that in the novel, not only Kirino is asking for that ring, but Kyosuke is also kissing her on the lips?
Although the novel doesn't specify where he kissed her, but as this is the opinion of the author himself, I just assume the kiss on the lips as canon for the novel (and for me myself, also for the anime story...).
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Old 2013-08-20, 16:44   Link #4223
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Although the novel doesn't specify where he kissed her, but as this is the opinion of the author himself, I just assume the kiss on the lips as canon for the novel (and for me myself, also for the anime story...).
I honestly wonder why he didn't write that Kyousuke kissed her on the lips if that is what he wanted, did the publisher not want him to write even that?
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Old 2013-08-20, 16:57   Link #4224
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I honestly wonder why he didn't write that Kyousuke kissed her on the lips if that is what he wanted, did the publisher not want him to write even that?
That's a good question. Maybe it was the publisher, or perhaps he just thought it was obvious, don't know. Perhaps I'm the only guy thinking so, but when I read:

" Suddenly, I kissed her."

without specification of the location, I always think of the lips first in that kind of a situation.
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Old 2013-08-20, 17:02   Link #4225
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That's a good question. Maybe it was the publisher, or perhaps he just thought it was obvious, don't know. Perhaps I'm the only guy thinking so, but when I read:

" Suddenly, I kissed her."

without specification of the location, I always think of the lips first in that kind of a situation.
Nope, you are not the only one. I thought too that it was on the lips. In my opinion by the end of the story it was pretty obvious that he kissed her on the lips.It doesn't even occurred to me that it could be on the cheek instead.
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Old 2013-08-20, 17:31   Link #4226
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That's a good question. Maybe it was the publisher, or perhaps he just thought it was obvious, don't know. Perhaps I'm the only guy thinking so, but when I read:

" Suddenly, I kissed her."

without specification of the location, I always think of the lips first in that kind of a situation.
Actually, when I first read it, I think it's a kiss on the forehead. A kiss on the lips is not really normal, even for siblings, but a kiss on the cheek seemed to shallow for the near lover-like status. But, well, after reading till the end, my opinions changed too.
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Old 2013-08-20, 18:00   Link #4227
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Actually, when I first read it, I think it's a kiss on the forehead. A kiss on the lips is not really normal, even for siblings, but a kiss on the cheek seemed to shallow for the near lover-like status. But, well, after reading till the end, my opinions changed too.
Well, even while I was quick translating that Chinese quick translation I never saw them as really being back to normal siblings, despite what they outwardly stated and perhaps even behaved. So, while I do agree that a kiss on the lips is not normal for siblings (well, unless you are talking about the socialist fraternal kiss of old ), I still imagined it as being on the lips.
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Old 2013-08-20, 18:19   Link #4228
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Well, even while I was quick translating that Chinese quick translation I never saw them as really being back to normal siblings, despite what they outwardly stated and perhaps even behaved. So, while I do agree that a kiss on the lips is not normal for siblings (well, unless you are talking about the socialist fraternal kiss of old ), I still imagined it as being on the lips.
Well, I feel like most of us probably imagined it on the lips because of how we view the two by the end of the series, as a pair of lovers even if they state otherwise. When someone commonly says the words kissed you think of a kiss on the lips, especially if they are lovers, if the kiss is anywhere else it is usually specified at that point. Maybe the author just assumed we would all make this assumption like Sig said. On the note of them being back to normal siblings, I have always viewed it as them being back to "normal" as in how they were before he confessed which is not in anyway normal in reality .
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Old 2013-08-20, 19:14   Link #4229
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Well, even while I was quick translating that Chinese quick translation I never saw them as really being back to normal siblings, despite what they outwardly stated and perhaps even behaved. So, while I do agree that a kiss on the lips is not normal for siblings (well, unless you are talking about the socialist fraternal kiss of old ), I still imagined it as being on the lips.
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Well, I feel like most of us probably imagined it on the lips because of how we view the two by the end of the series, as a pair of lovers even if they state otherwise. When someone commonly says the words kissed you think of a kiss on the lips, especially if they are lovers, if the kiss is anywhere else it is usually specified at that point. Maybe the author just assumed we would all make this assumption like Sig said. On the note of them being back to normal siblings, I have always viewed it as them being back to "normal" as in how they were before he confessed which is not in anyway normal in reality .
Eutou...common sense anyone? They just agree to break up like a few pages before, and a kiss on the forehead is both pass as something a siblings/lover might do. Yet all of you think they lips-lock?
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Old 2013-08-20, 19:18   Link #4230
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Eutou...common sense anyone? They just agree to break up like a few pages before, and a kiss on the forehead is both pass as something a siblings/lover might do. Yet all of you think they lips-lock?
I imagined it on the lips because I saw it as Kyosuke calling Kirino out on how bullshit the idea of a brother buying a sister a ring was. It was like him saying "Oh, so if your brother can buy you a ring, he can also make out with you, right?"

Essentially, the whole scene read to me that they both were admitting that they weren't going to be able to be "normal" siblings, if they even, in fact, even knew what that meant in the first place.
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Old 2013-08-21, 00:53   Link #4231
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I imagined it on the lips because I saw it as Kyosuke calling Kirino out on how bullshit the idea of a brother buying a sister a ring was. It was like him saying "Oh, so if your brother can buy you a ring, he can also make out with you, right?"

Essentially, the whole scene read to me that they both were admitting that they weren't going to be able to be "normal" siblings, if they even, in fact, even knew what that meant in the first place.
I kinda think it's Kyousuke's tit-for-tat for Kirino's request for a ring.

"If you think a bro buying a ring for his sis, which lovers usually do, is considered normal for siblings, then I will also think kissing you, which lovers usually do, is considered normal for siblings"
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Old 2013-08-21, 00:56   Link #4232
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The fact that it was a ring was also pretty darn important, since it recounts their first date in Akiba (when he didn't buy the ring), their "engagement" a year later (when he did buy the ring from the first year), and now she's asking him for a ring again. Kyousuke definitely understood the message she was sending and was responding in kind.
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Old 2013-08-21, 01:20   Link #4233
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The fact that it was a ring was also pretty darn important, since it recounts their first date in Akiba (when he didn't buy the ring), their "engagement" a year later (when he did buy the ring from the first year), and now she's asking him for a ring again. Kyousuke definitely understood the message she was sending and was responding in kind.
Exactly, and so it confirms, albeit subtly by the Author that Oreimo is afterall, a love story between siblings, which many readers/watchers tend to be ignorant/ or refuse to admit.
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Old 2013-08-21, 04:13   Link #4234
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The fact that it was a ring was also pretty darn important, since it recounts their first date in Akiba (when he didn't buy the ring), their "engagement" a year later (when he did buy the ring from the first year), and now she's asking him for a ring again. Kyousuke definitely understood the message she was sending and was responding in kind.
I kinda like this interpretation and it really works for me. With asking for another ring she shows Kyousuke that doesn't want to be just normal siblings. Kyousuke understands that hint, uses his wish to kiss her to show her that he feels the same and so the "life counseling" starts again and both (especially Kirino as shown in the anime) are happy.

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Old 2013-08-21, 04:27   Link #4235
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The fact that it was a ring was also pretty darn important, since it recounts their first date in Akiba (when he didn't buy the ring), their "engagement" a year later (when he did buy the ring from the first year), and now she's asking him for a ring again. Kyousuke definitely understood the message she was sending and was responding in kind.
I also like this interpretation. This also shows that Kyousuke, after always saying he doesn't understand what Kirino's thinking, has finally gained that understanding. As for why Kirino then gets tsundere again, well, she didn't expect him to retaliate immediately in that surrounding.
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Old 2013-08-21, 04:51   Link #4236
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As for why Kirino then gets tsundere again, well, she didn't expect him to retaliate immediately in that surrounding.
Well, yeah: he stole her initiative. The last thing she wants is to lose control because then her emotions (her love for him) could take over, and she's well-aware of the risk of screwing things up. This was her solution so they could stay together forever, after all. So she immediately has to react harshly, rebuke him, and regain control of the situation -- even though that doesn't mean she wasn't happy about it. By this point in time, he absolutely knows her well enough to follow her lead anyway, because if there's one thing he can be absolutely sure about it's that she still loves him, and now she's reassured that he still feels the same way. That was his reason for doing it, after all.
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Old 2013-08-21, 08:22   Link #4237
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The fact that it was a ring was also pretty darn important, since it recounts their first date in Akiba (when he didn't buy the ring), their "engagement" a year later (when he did buy the ring from the first year), and now she's asking him for a ring again. Kyousuke definitely understood the message she was sending and was responding in kind.
This interpretation does make the most sense and its really fitting. Gutted it was not included in the anime but happy for them as a result. She can ''never'' be honest with herself and that's what makes her special.
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Old 2013-08-21, 18:03   Link #4238
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I'm very please with the endings in both the novel and the anime, despite the limitations to not cross the red line of incest ending officially admitted.
For me the ending is they live together, but can't say forever since it's a pair of teenagers, barely stepping into the world of feelings, although I hope it is. There are too many points showing how deep their love for each other is, just to give it up after a few days of happy dating and a fake marriage (not in their eyes), because the world wouldn't agree with them. Their "Life counseling" continues!
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Old 2013-08-22, 05:22   Link #4239
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The fact that it was a ring was also pretty darn important, since it recounts their first date in Akiba (when he didn't buy the ring), their "engagement" a year later (when he did buy the ring from the first year), and now she's asking him for a ring again. Kyousuke definitely understood the message she was sending and was responding in kind.
I also think this interpretation makes the most logical sense. Because there are 'hints' in the story that can't be ignored easily.
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Old 2013-08-28, 10:28   Link #4240
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This was a good read, thanks
Bit late and the party may already be over but I Just signed up to say that...

Usually stories don't make me think so much. This one only really did because it included similar to experiences I've been through. Except (to my knowledge) there was no incest.

Anyway the arguments in this thread all have their merits, I found I could agree with opposite interpretations.

In my case, despite the Author stating 100% Kirino intention, I enjoyed thinking about the possibilities after based on the actual writing regardless.

Some examples:
  • The siblings relationship stays mutual and they remain otherwise secret/single.
  • They needed to hit rock bottom/top of the peak before they could rise out of the ashes / get back to reality. - So they carried out their wishes, only then could they really move forward in new chapters in their lives.
  • <insert favorite char name here> would forgive having their hearts torn out. Kinda like how Kyousuke did once receiving an explanation after he got rejected. (Although this does feel like grabbing at straws, we have seen it before, people can still hold on to hopes for a lifetime and people can change their minds even after originally believing wholeheartedly themselves they had made a final decision with no turning back)

Well, I kinda wish I could find the 10 year after mini story, haven't found it. Just nice to have something that shows not all friendships was lost over these events. As insignificant and otherwise vague as it may be.

I'm probably making no sense. I wonder why I'm even trying to analyze fictional characters, guess its fun?

Anyway I enjoyed reading through some of the pages on these forums, just really wanted to drop by to let/remind the posters here know~
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