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Old 2013-09-09, 19:49   Link #1621
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I'd like to point out something here.

Sona was able to hold her own because the match forbade the Gremory team from just spamming them into dust, and because the Gremory's powers were known while hers weren't. Now, Sona is indeed a better strategist than Rias, and the match was realistic as the characters actually fight under similar circumstances several times. However, if they had a match like Raizers, it would be over in seconds simply because Ise, Akeno, and Rossweise could stand at the base and reduce the rest of the field to rubble.

Sairong is a special case, but he also lucked out since it wasn't a team battle. If both Ise and Kiba were on the battlefield at the same time, Lion Armor be damned, Sairong would have gone down much faster. Hell, Kiba probably would have taken out the Lion before the equip could have taken place.
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I'd like to point out something here.

Sona was able to hold her own because the match forbade the Gremory team from just spamming them into dust, and because the Gremory's powers were known while hers weren't. Now, Sona is indeed a better strategist than Rias, and the match was realistic as the characters actually fight under similar circumstances several times. However, if they had a match like Raizers, it would be over in seconds simply because Ise, Akeno, and Rossweise could stand at the base and reduce the rest of the field to rubble.

Sairong is a special case, but he also lucked out since it wasn't a team battle. If both Ise and Kiba were on the battlefield at the same time, Lion Armor be damned, Sairong would have gone down much faster. Hell, Kiba probably would have taken out the Lion before the equip could have taken place.
^ except it that happen before ccq was born ... i mean ccq wont be attain if issei was put in harsh situation according to azazel that sg evolve everyday due user feeling this is the same to longinus boosted gear.

this is also same as gasper if battle didnt happen maybe we wont see the change of psych and we didnt see his unknown power in vol 12. alway remember everything happen for a reason ... :P

probably issei will be massacred by lion armor by sairog, queens power of hole

about the sona match true what you said but remember if they didnt restrict gremory which are overpower they might massacre them, also if i guess why they restrict it so certain chars improve like akeno finally using her fallen angel power "holy lightning" and saji sacred gear "vritra soul might not awaken"

it's just my guess though T_T i dont know if im right
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Old 2013-09-09, 21:50   Link #1623
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Aren't these the same thing?
Yes and no. When he's in balance breaker form the pieces are just called Queen, Knight etc., when he uses the Cardinal Crimson the pieces are Triiana or True Queen, Knight etc,. Instead of Juggernaught Drive it turned into a sub species called Cardinal Crimson Full Drive.


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Old 2013-09-09, 21:55   Link #1624
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Yes and no. When he's in balance breaker form the pieces are just called Queen, Knight etc., when he uses the Cardinal Crimson the pieces are Triiana or True Queen, Knight etc,. Instead of Juggernaught Drive it turned into a sub species called Cardinal Crimson Full Drive.




Holy crap, thank you for cleaning up my post you're the man.
except in boosted gear case the future user may not use the juggernatut drive so im wondering how will they attain it or how to attain past user power "issei" illegal trident and ccq


err that's why i always asking remember coz i like to compile the info that i get and put it in orderly guide format
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Old 2013-09-09, 22:26   Link #1625
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except in boosted gear case the future user may not use the juggernatut drive so im wondering how will they attain it or how to attain past user power "issei" illegal trident and ccq
First of all, I think that we should ask ourselves a question, if there is even going to be a future Boosted Gear user, after Ise.

After all, it's certainly possible that due to the fact that Ophis assisted Great Red in reviving Ise, his current body, after it stabilizes, might have obtained an infinite lifespan ... and if that's going to be the case, Ddraig is going to keep him company for eternity as well.

But, assuming that's not going to be the case ... since Boosted Gear's curse has been removed by Ise, but the original power of Ddraig is still contained inside the Sacred Gear.

So, they would need to develop their own ability that would be capable of releasing that power, since I doubt that they could attain Ise's Trident and CCQ mode's, since it's something that has been created using Ise's Evil Pieces, and we don't know if the potential future user is even going to be resurrected Devil.

Or, more precisely ... we don't even know if their is going to be another Boosted Gear user, after Ise ... due to the reasons I mentioned at the beginning of my post...
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about the sona match true what you said but remember if they didnt restrict gremory which are overpower they might massacre them, also if i guess why they restrict it so certain chars improve like akeno finally using her fallen angel power "holy lightning" and saji sacred gear "vritra soul might not awaken"

it's just my guess though T_T i dont know if im right
I think Sirzechs might have had a hand in those rules I think he was intentionally trying reign in Rias group especially Ise in order lessen the danger of them being target by enemies both from underworld and else where.

In Vol 7 Boss X Boss Sirzechs talks Azazel and is against Ise promotion coming so early and rightly so.

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Old 2013-09-09, 22:29   Link #1627
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First of all, I think that we should ask ourselves a question, if there is even going to be a future Boosted Gear user, after Ise.

After all, it's certainly possible that due to the fact that Ophis assisted Great Red in reviving Ise, his current body, after it stabilizes, might have obtained an infinite lifespan ... and if that's going to be the case, Ddraig is going to keep him company for eternity as well.

But, assuming that's not going to be the case ... since Boosted Gear's curse has been removed by Ise, but the original power of Ddraig is still contained inside the Sacred Gear.

So, they would need to develop their own ability that would be capable of releasing that power, since I doubt that they could attain Ise's Trident and CCQ mode's, since it's something that has been created using Ise's Evil Pieces, and we don't know if the potential future user is even going to be resurrected Devil.

Or, more precisely ... we don't even know if their is going to be another Boosted Gear user, after Ise ... due to the reasons I mentioned at the beginning of my post...
yup i remember well issei did mention in the past that he does want to live 10k years well it's still depend on the author if there will be a next user after issei/vali

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Old 2013-09-09, 22:38   Link #1628
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yup i remember well issei did mention in the past that he does want to live 10k years well it's still depend on the author if there will be a next user after issei/vali
Well, I think that was before he fully realized how long it would take for him to realize his dreams.

Not to mention, I think that it's part of the deal of being friends with Ophis, which as it was stated in volume 14, is a karma that no god can purify.

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“……In your case, it will be more accurate to say that you have been possessed. Most likely, you have shouldered a karma that no God can purify.”,

So it went past her being attached to me that I’m possessed!? And even a God can’t purify it!
So, he might not have any choice in this matter, bu like you said, it depends on the author.
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Old 2013-09-10, 04:50   Link #1629
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I think Sirzechs might have had a hand in those rules I think he was intentionally trying reign in Rias group especially Ise in order lessen the danger of them being target by enemies both from underworld and else where.

In Vol 7 Boss X Boss Sirzechs talks Azazel and is against Ise promotion coming so early and rightly so.
I don't think so. It was implied (or more like speculated by Issei) in volume 14 Life 2 that the one who made the rules for the RGs was Ajuka Beelzebub.
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Old 2013-09-10, 05:59   Link #1630
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If Ise's lifespan does become infinite due to Ophis power mixed in Ise's new body and will continue to be the possessor of the boosted gear, I'm sorry for Ddraig. Well even if the curse of the boosted gear is removed Ddraig is curse because of Ise's perverted power-ups while Ise is possessed by itself Ophis.

Well if there's going to be a new possessor of the boosted gear they will have to start from the bottom in order to master the power of Ddraig without the influence of Juggernaut Drive.
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If Ise's lifespan does become infinite due to Ophis power mixed in Ise's new body and will continue to be the possessor of the boosted gear, I'm sorry for Ddraig. Well even if the curse of the boosted gear is removed Ddraig is curse because of Ise's perverted power-ups while Ise is possessed by itself Ophis.

Well if there's going to be a new possessor of the boosted gear they will have to start from the bottom in order to master the power of Ddraig without the influence of Juggernaut Drive.
For divine dividing case the future user of that Longinus can still access it though to master ejod they must dominate vali memory in that sg to access it also they must massive mp reserve to use juggernaut drive properly XD
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Old 2013-09-10, 12:35   Link #1632
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Belial may not be worried about the Gremory team as they are now, but I doubt that will be the case within a couple years. Ise for one is on the road to being positively god-mode (possibly even in a relatively near future!), and that can't be very fair for the Rating Game.

The others might take longer to get there, but they pretty much all have the potential to be ultimate-class eventually(except maybe Asia, if only because she isn't a fighter).

Anyway, I am slightly worried about Gram's curse. I hope its not too serious.
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Old 2013-09-12, 00:09   Link #1633
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Oh my, Gasper. You sure got bigger. You know, they’re saying that I’m going to become the King of Tepes.
I think Velerie was complety brainwashed and manipulated by her brother without she realize it, because of that she resurrect all evil dragon with her longinus (I think it Sub-species BB) and maybe she will fight Gremory...and i`m sure battle against vampire will still continue in this arc

I think this is what will happen in this volume.... maybe
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Old 2013-09-12, 03:01   Link #1634
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Do you think vali will died in future novel or will the author will restrain his power like issei and not both them overpower till the end of the novel I hope vali won't die

Now do you think gasper is descendant of alucard of something? Do you think gasper sg might mutate to Longinus it's just weird observation of mine :3
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I think it was Azazel who mentions that it won't be weird if there are other Longinus that will appear due to the irregular changes happening.

Doubt Vali will die since he already has Empireo Juggernaut Over Drive that minimized the risk of going out of control and endangering his life. Vali will have to be overpowered so that Ise can keep on Improving before they settle their fight as the Two-Heavenly Dragons, Besides Vali wants to beat the Sekiryuushintei in order to become "The True God-Emperor of White-Dragon".

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Transferring power to others is something Ise can already do, so that seems a rather pointless power. It would still end up costing aura and stamina. Not to mention it seems a little elaborate considering its not even a real Divine Dividing.

I get that your trying to make Ise's version different than Vali's, but I think it will just be a plain divide ability that he can just use all the time in addition to his BG.
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I think it was Azazel who mentions that it won't be weird if there are other Longinus that will appear due to the irregular changes happening.

Doubt Vali will die since he already has Empireo Juggernaut Over Drive that minimized the risk of going out of control and endangering his life. Vali will have to be overpowered so that Ise can keep on Improving before they settle their fight as the Two-Heavenly Dragons, Besides Vali wants to beat the Sekiryuushintei in order to become "The True God-Emperor of White-Dragon".

Spoiler for Vali's Divine Dividing:


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True I was referring to the the person that vali hate so much that he want to kill might be a super devil or maybe not

I just hope that vali won't die in the ln if he face a really strong antagonist

In both gasper and saji case I think both there sg might mutate to Longinus especially with saji sg

I think that kiba sg won't mutate to Longinus coz he already have demonic swords, I'm worried about gram's cursed I wonder if kiba get a powerup beside mastering his sub species to max lvl and cursed demonic swords

P.s. it will be funny if gasper ancestor is alucard himself
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Regarding Kiba's Gram, I think it's something similar to Ise's Juggernaut Drive - in the sense, that both of them are dangerous to it's user.

But, just like with how Ise created a safer version of Juggernaut Drive, I'm sure that there are ways of overcoming Gram's curse ... it might be more difficult, the stronger the sword is, but since Kiba is pretty much the only person who is, more or less, capable of keeping up with Ise in the Gremory group, I think that he definitely has a chance to resolve this issue.

Regarding Saji's SG, I agree that it has a chance of changing into a Longinus, although, I think that he needs to merge it, with a few more Vitra type Sacred Gear's to achieve that.

I also don't see major character deaths occurring in this novel, Ise's situation was a little special after all, since the author has been planing to do that, from the beginning of the novels ...

Especially I don't see it happening for someone as strong as Vali.

Finally, regarding Gasper's origins / family - or in general the origin of the entire vampire race in High school DxD, I hope that author will use something more original then the traditional vampire myths, or at least ... present them in some more original way...
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In both gasper and saji case I think both there sg might mutate to Longinus especially with saji sg

I think that kiba sg won't mutate to Longinus coz he already have demonic swords, I'm worried about gram's cursed I wonder if kiba get a powerup beside mastering his sub species to max lvl and cursed demonic swords

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Regarding Saji's SG, I agree that it has a chance of changing into a Longinus, although, I think that he needs to merge it, with a few more Vitra type Sacred Gear's to achieve that.
Regarding Saji's SG. Originally Vitra was cut into four different SGs; Absorption Line, Blaze Black Flare, Delete Field and Shadow Prison, as has been mentioned by Azazel his SG is beginning to merge and become stronger so I wouldn't be surprised if it gets considered to be an "Unofficial Longinus" in the future once the pieces are fully stabilized inside his body. Personally Saji is one of my favorite characters in the series and would love it if he becomes a force to be reckoned with in the future since he's, in my opinion, pretty close to achieving balance breaker. I mean come on, he's got one of the 5 Dragon kings sealed in him it can't be relegated to some random SG status it would be an insult to Vitra.
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Regarding Saji's SG. Originally Vitra was cut into four different SGs; Absorption Line, Blaze Black Flare, Delete Field and Shadow Prison, as has been mentioned by Azazel his SG is beginning to merge and become stronger so I wouldn't be surprised if it gets considered to be an "Unofficial Longinus" in the future once the pieces are fully stabilized inside his body. Personally Saji is one of my favorite characters in the series and would love it if he becomes a force to be reckoned with in the future since he's, in my opinion, pretty close to achieving balance breaker. I mean come on, he's got one of the 5 Dragon kings sealed in him it can't be relegated to some random SG status it would be an insult to Vitra.
me too i really like saji character coz he alway below issei i hope someday we can see him shine and not be a shadow of isse like kiba

just finished editing Somethindarker post again just corrected some info, this what we have topic so far on there powerup
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