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Old 2013-09-12, 19:38   Link #1641
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me too i really like saji character coz he alway below issei i hope someday we can see him shine and not be a shadow of isse like kiba

just finished editing Somethindarker post again just corrected some info, this what we have topic so far on there powerup
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As always thanx for the compilation. Also in Saji Issei helps him control his berzerker state like a he helps Saji and Vitra to focus their aggression and maintain some form of control. Also it's been shown, at least I think, that Saji is beginning to awake something new in his Sacred Gear since the pieces of Vitra are starting to Synch. I could be wrong if someone knows please let me know.
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As always thanx for the compilation. Also in Saji Issei helps him control his berzerker state like a he helps Saji and Vitra to focus their aggression and maintain some form of control. Also it's been shown, at least I think, that Saji is beginning to awake something new in his Sacred Gear since the pieces of Vitra are starting to Synch. I could be wrong if someone knows please let me know.
im very fond of compiling the info that i got here uhm Somethindarker could you edit the the post coz i got typo there if its ok thx T_T
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just finished correcting all the info i hope i got it right <<< in the previous page :P
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im very fond of compiling the info that i got here uhm Somethindarker could you edit the the post coz i got typo there if its ok thx T_T
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just finished correcting all the info i hope i got it right <<< in the previous page :P
Yea I'll look the whole thing over no sweat.
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Old 2013-09-12, 19:57   Link #1644
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hey guys,how and why you think that ise will start to become the DxD(dragon of dragons) in the vol 16?I think that ise will control some part of his new body's powers.I think that in this volume he will defeat grendel and valerie's brother or maybe ise will fight for some time with the new leader of KB.
obs:I think that the new leader of KB is one dragon that still not was shown in the LN.maybe he is in the same class of great red and ophis and he is the god of the evil dragons.I think that this dragon will be the final boss of the LN and ise will defeat him in the end of the story.
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hey guys,how and why you think that ise will start to become the DxD(dragon of dragons) in the vol 16?I think that ise will control some part of his new body's powers.I think that in this volume he will defeat grendel and valerie's brother or maybe ise will fight for some time with the new leader of KB.
obs:I think that the new leader of KB is one dragon that still not was shown in the LN.maybe he is in the same class of great red and ophis and he is the god of the evil dragons.I think that this dragon will be the final boss of the LN and ise will defeat him in the end of the story.
Speculation about what is going to happen in the next volume is all conjecture and opinion what you've just said is pretty much a drop in the bucket in all the theories and discussions that's already been discussed go back a few pages and you'll see most of your questions have already been discussed. Also the "DxD" isn't a title it's an event, if I remember correctly the author said somewhere that it will be a great battle between dragons, the ones who are like Issei, Tannin, Ophis and Vitra who've all adapted to new lives and have little interest in fighting vs the ones that are like Grendel who want to fight and destroy all. ie., the final main arc of the series.
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Belial may not be worried about the Gremory team as they are now, but I doubt that will be the case within a couple years. Ise for one is on the road to being positively god-mode (possibly even in a relatively near future!), and that can't be very fair for the Rating Game.

The others might take longer to get there, but they pretty much all have the potential to be ultimate-class eventually(except maybe Asia, if only because she isn't a fighter).
I don't know they'll definitely be somewhat successful in the rating games but I don't know about contenders for championship. The problem is in the rating games there are a lot of gimmick matches and while the Gremory team is strong they're all sort stipulations they could really mess them up such as match where scared gears are banned for example.
On the other hand they're strong enough they should easily be able to maintain a respectable win loss ratio. Just look at how much they've grown the Gremory team would slaughter Riser Peerage now and even bird boy himself wouldn't fair to well anymore since his regenerative abilities don't work well against holy based attacks which 4 of there members can use.
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the 4 member that you refering to are?

Issei's Ascalon
Kiba's Holy Demonic Sword and Glory Drag Trooper
Akeno's Holy Lightning and Holy Ligthning Dragon Manifestation
Xenovia's Ex-Durandal

could we put Rossweisse in this category too coz she is a magician so if im correct she could use holy magic ... if that's possible coz i read that she good at calculating "Magic" rather than imagining "like how demonic magic works"
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Old 2013-09-12, 23:07   Link #1648
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hey guys,you think that ise will fight with someone in the top 10 of the world in the next arcs?maybe ise can fight with lugh or thor?
you think that the japanese gods(shinto gods) can appears?

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Old 2013-09-12, 23:20   Link #1649
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could we put Rossweisse in this category too coz she is a magician so if im correct she could use holy magic ... if that's possible coz i read that she good at calculating "Magic" rather than imagining "like how demonic magic works"
Except for the fact that there is nothing suggesting that holy magic exists in the DxD universe ... there is light magic, and since Shalba was capable of using it, in volume 6:

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The enraged Shalba who descended to the ground releases an attack of light with his remaining left arm!
... it might be possible for Rossweisse to do that as well.

Assuming that Shalba hasn't gained this ability in some artificial way.

@peinmaximus

Personally, I doubt it ... since he wouldn't be capable of wining that fight anyway, at least not at the current moment.

After all, Ise still has issues in defeating a single Evil Dragon ... who is probably pretty close to the 10 strongest ranking, so why do you think he has any chance of fighting someone who is higher in the power chart ?

Of course, if we assume that the next arc is going to be the Shiba arc, it would be a different matter, but personally I hope that there are still a few other arc's ahead of us, before that arc occurs.

As for some Shinto (Japanese) gods appearing ... currently it seems unlikely, since the author seems to be focused on expanding the dragon races subplot of this novel.

They might appear in the future arc's, but ... it pretty much depends on how many arc's we are going to have, after the current one.

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Except for the fact that there is nothing suggesting that holy magic exists in the DxD universe ... there is light magic, and since Shalba was capable of using it, in volume 6:



... it might be possible for Rossweisse to do that as well.

Assuming that Shalba hasn't gained this ability in some artificial way.
i see i thought light and holy magic are similar .... my mistake

coz on what i understand God from the Bible, Angel, Fallen Angel and Sacred Sword use holy magic that is what i though....

its kinda weird if you gonna say light sword durandal :P

is white magic refers to light magic or holy magic

same as black magic >>>> demonic magic

im bit confused now if holy magic doesnt exist in ln then holy refer as title like holy sword durandal
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im bit confused now if holy magic doesn't exist in ln then holy refer as title like holy sword durandal
Well, I think that I should have said that there is no evidence, that Holy Magic exists in the ln, since we haven't seen anyone using it.

Anyway, I think that Holy - when it comes to the swords, is a title to describe swords that have been forged with the power of the God from the Bible or some Sacred Gear's that he created (like Kiba's Blade Blacksmith for example, although they have probably some inferior quality, compared to the ones created by God).

So, it might be possible that the only being that was capable of using holy magic ... but,since he is already dead... there might be no one else that is capable of using it.
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Well, I think that I should have said that there is no evidence, that Holy Magic exists in the ln, since we haven't seen anyone using it.

Anyway, I think that Holy - when it comes to the swords, is a title to describe swords that have been forged with the power of the God from the Bible or some Sacred Gear's that he created (like Kiba's Blade Blacksmith for example, although they have probably some inferior quality, compared to the ones created by God).

So, it might be possible that the only being that was capable of using holy magic ... but,since he is already dead... there might be no one else that is capable of using it.
How about the barakiel & akeno's holy lightning and one of 4 great seraph that wield holy flame do we consider them as light magic not as holy? Or we just put holy as title of their stongest light + element "thunder and fire" to create a new element holy lightning and holy flame. Ugh I'm confuse maybe the god of bible gave there holy title due they manage combine light and certain element
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^ I think it was said that Akeno's Lightning was made by combing light with thunder, during the Rating Game against Sona.

Barakiel's ability probably works in a similar way.

Regarding the 4 great seraph, since he hasn't made an appearance, it's hard to tell the details, but I think that his ability is a combination of light + fire as well.

I don't know why it's considered as Holy though, but it might be caused by the fact that combining two different elements is a pretty rare ability.

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^ I think it was said that Akeno's Lightning was made by combing light with thunder, during the Rating Game against Sona.

Barkaiel's ability probably works in a similar way.

Regarding the 4 great seraph, since he hasn't made an appearance, it's hard to tell the details, but I think that his ability is a combination of light + fire as well.

I don't know why it's considered as Holy though, but it might be caused by the fact that combining two different elements is a pretty rare ability.
True same as how demonic clan magic works

If great seraph has holy flame than his opposite is from the phenex demonic flame?

If its true all 2 element combination are rather based god created that seraph that has 2 combination element and certain dual element magic that derive from certain unique devil clan

Sorry if its confusing just derive from this conclusion though I don't if its correct unless ln gave us clue on how certain dual element works

I wonder if magician can create dual element like holy lightning and holy flame in there magic .... From heaven side


From what I read that magician magic are derive from Norse or demonic -_- do any angel/fallen angel wield elemental magic? That are light magic

It's confusing on how light and dark magic work I guess coz we don't have info regarding this
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Except for the fact that there is nothing suggesting that holy magic exists in the DxD universe ... there is light magic, and since Shalba was capable of using it, in volume 6:


... it might be possible for Rossweisse to do that as well.

Assuming that Shalba hasn't gained this ability in some artificial way.

As for some Shinto (Japanese) gods appearing ... currently it seems unlikely, since the author seems to be focused on expanding the dragon races subplot of this novel.

They might appear in the future arc's, but ... it pretty much depends on how many arc's we are going to have, after the current one.
Actually, Shalba's ability to use light was through artificial means:

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Diodora turned into a dust and perishes. –The power of light? An ability which is similar to that of angels and fallen angels? Or does the Khaos Brigade have research on how devils can use the angels and fallen angels’ power?

I then saw a unfamiliar device on Shalba’s arm.

…….Is that the source which created the light?
And while Shinto (Japanese) gods haven't made a proper appearance, they have been mentioned before in volume 7 and Akeno's SS in volume 15. If they do make an proper appearance in a future volume, they may appear in a volume that is focused on Akeno. Since in both instances where they were mentioned, Akeno was the focus of the volume or the SS.
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Im sure Japanese Gods are weak as hell even if they appear. I mean the Devils, Fallen Angels and the Angels are taking Japanese territory and acts as if they belong to them. Since Japanese Gods hadnt even took any action when the other beings from other mythology in their land, then..... Yeah... I dont know why, but as a "human", I actually support what the Hero faction did. Im actually serious.
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Im sure Japanese Gods are weak as hell even if they appear. I mean the Devils, Fallen Angels and the Angels are taking Japanese territory and acts as if they belong to them. Since Japanese Gods hadnt even took any action when the other beings from other mythology in their land, then..... Yeah... I dont know why, but as a "human", I actually support what the Hero faction did. Im actually serious.
Maybe someday Japanese gods and hero faction my coexist in creating in the peace in the future :3 it's just weird speculation :3
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Im sure Japanese Gods are weak as hell even if they appear. I mean the Devils, Fallen Angels and the Angels are taking Japanese territory and acts as if they belong to them. Since Japanese Gods hadnt even took any action when the other beings from other mythology in their land, then..... Yeah... I dont know why, but as a "human", I actually support what the Hero faction did. Im actually serious.
I'd agree with you if he hadn't done the whole brainwashing thing. The mook Ise beats in vol 9 with the shadow armor put it pretty well. The humans are basically powerless beings being dragged around by all these mythological races having a turf war.

On the other hand, the Heroes weren't any better. Considering they decided to prevent peace talks aimed at ending the turf war, I consider them worse.

On another note, aren't Yasaka and Kunou technically Japanese gods? And Sirzechs and Azazel talk about conferring with the Shinto gods a couple of times.
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the 4 member that you refering to are?

Issei's Ascalon
Kiba's Holy Demonic Sword and Glory Drag Trooper
Akeno's Holy Lightning and Holy Ligthning Dragon Manifestation
Xenovia's Ex-Durandal

could we put Rossweisse in this category too coz she is a magician so if im correct she could use holy magic ... if that's possible coz i read that she good at calculating "Magic" rather than imagining "like how demonic magic works"
Well pretty much that's what I was thinking the only addition I'd have is to Akeno I'd say there is a pretty good chance she can also generate spears of light given her fallen angel lineage and since that's a common power among them. Of course even if she could it seems unlikely she'd want to use that attack rather then her Holy lightning.

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^ I think it was said that Akeno's Lightning was made by combing light with thunder, during the Rating Game against Sona.

Barakiel's ability probably works in a similar way.

Regarding the 4 great seraph, since he hasn't made an appearance, it's hard to tell the details, but I think that his ability is a combination of light + fire as well.

I don't know why it's considered as Holy though, but it might be caused by the fact that combining two different elements is a pretty rare ability.
Your right about Akeno's power although thunder is a pretty poor description for her normal magical attack since it's electric base and thunder is just a sound. Also since she inherited the power from Barakiel it's logical his would power operate under the same basic mechanics.
I think it's consider holy because of the way the magical light burns devils.
Also I'm not sure how the Holy Swords like Durandal and Ascalon Holy aura would fit in unless it's a light that's being generated.
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I'd agree with you if he hadn't done the whole brainwashing thing. The mook Ise beats in vol 9 with the shadow armor put it pretty well. The humans are basically powerless beings being dragged around by all these mythological races having a turf war.

On the other hand, the Heroes weren't any better. Considering they decided to prevent peace talks aimed at ending the turf war, I consider them worse.

On another note, aren't Yasaka and Kunou technically Japanese gods? And Sirzechs and Azazel talk about conferring with the Shinto gods a couple of times.
I think there yokai if I'm remember correctly
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