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Old 2013-09-29, 14:40   Link #1481
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Is Chihayafuru about karuta?
No, and I don't really care.

But first you give Cross Game as an example of a great sports anime (while even the author lampshaded he didn't really write stories about baseball), and then you acted like it mattered if a sport anime was about the sport or not. So I have trouble following you.
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Old 2013-09-29, 15:15   Link #1482
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What's your thoughts on Kuroko's Basketball?

I've never seen it myself. So I"m generally curious.
Haven't seen it. Can't really comment.

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Yeah I said the primary focus was on the friendship of the characters but there was still a strong secondary focus on swimming.

Trying to say there was not a focus on swimming is ridiculous when there was plenty of actual swimming in the show.

Now you said the main purpose of the show was "fanservice" which I disagree with even though yes the show had fanservice. I also don't see how god forbid having a show focus on friendship is a bad thing.
Nothing inherently wrong with themes of friendship. However, this is pretty much rated PG material. Boring, idyllic high school life anime that Kyoani is pretty infamous for at this point. The show boils down to "friendship is fun." I consider this to be a very cookie-cutter type of story, and the characters are pretty cookie-cutter as well. It lacks creativity and something about it all comes off as extremely insincere. The only thing that I was constantly reminded of in this series is close up fan service shots. That is why I concluded this is mostly a fan service series first and foremost. I think scenes like the extremely disruptive sexual CPR moment speak of what the show's top priorities were.

That is why I didn't think the swimming was all that much of a focus as it is more of a vehicle for fan service than it is for telling a compelling story. The theme of friendship is abused in similar ways, it's just a way to pander to fujiyoshi tastes with sexual undertones (And please don't deny that they're there, otherwise we're done here).

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Free wasn't for you and that's fine, but it's better to be specific in why that's the case than speaking in gross generalities.
All you basically said was that Makoto was able to express himself better to Haru. I don't find that to be a very compelling argument against Makoto being a pretty static character throughout the show.

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No, and I don't really care.

But first you give Cross Game as an example of a great sports anime (while even the author lampshaded he didn't really write stories about baseball), and then you acted like it mattered if a sport anime was about the sport or not. So I have trouble following you.
So perhaps I can be a little more specific, with hopes of not dragging this into a discussion about Cross Game.

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Old 2013-09-29, 15:28   Link #1483
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All you basically said was that Makoto was able to express himself better to Haru. I don't find that to be a very compelling argument against Makoto being a pretty static character throughout the show.
Not only to Haru, but in general. The two episodes where he got the most focus started with him pushing down his own fears and concerns in order to do something the rest of his team really wanted to do. Even with Haru, he's unable to talk about his fear of the ocean and how the idea of going there for a training camp might effect him personally. Through the near drowning experience, he's finally able to open up. Not only about his abiding fear of the ocean, but also about how much swimming together with Haru means to him in general. Then, later on, we see him opening up to the rest of the team about how he feels as well.

After that, there are scenes like when he's on the hill with Haru, where he manages to express just how much the relay meant to him once again. In his own way, Makoto is just as bad as expressing himself as Haru is, but it comes from a different place, a place of low self worth as compared to the people around him. (You can see that in his assumption that the team, and, by extension, himself, aren't "important" enough to Haru for him to be willing to swim the relay with after losing to Rin.)

A lot of Free is about communication with the people around you, both verbal and non-verbal. You seem to have wanted Free to be about reaching towards a unified goal, but it was about reaching the people right next to you.
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Old 2013-09-29, 18:11   Link #1484
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Free! certainly wasn't a serious sports anime - If it was such an anime, the team wouldn't have disqualified itself in the final episode - But I don't think the show was entirely insincere in how it used its swimming focus.

The vast majority of episodes actually had a significant amount of swimming in them. There were numerous swimming races, including official competitions and impromptu one-on-ones between Haru and Rin.

While I did like K-On!, it's a very fair criticism that it didn't do as much with the music side of things as it ought to have. An awful lot of K-On! episodes didn't even have music in them, never mind music practice.

But the Free! guys weren't goofing off eating cake half or more of the time. We really did get to watch them training a lot, and swimming a lot.
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Old 2013-09-29, 23:16   Link #1485
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What's your thoughts on Kuroko's Basketball?

I've never seen it myself. So I"m generally curious.
I have seen it and I recommend it. The story actually emphasizes the sports aspect of it for the most part. The fanservice is also much more toned-down compared to Free. The character development follows the same formula as seen in a typical shounen series and there is a fair amount of it. The only criticism that I've for this show is the sports aspect of it which is highly exaggerated at times from how the sports is actually played. Even then I found the show entertaining enough to sit through the whole series.
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Old 2013-09-29, 23:53   Link #1486
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I have seen it and I recommend it. The story actually emphasizes the sports aspect of it for the most part. The fanservice is also much more toned-down compared to Free. The character development follows the same formula as seen in a typical shounen series and there is a fair amount of it. The only criticism that I've for this show is the sports aspect of it which is highly exaggerated at times from how the sports is actually played. Even then I found the show entertaining enough to sit through the whole series.
Until you go on tumblr.
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Old 2013-09-29, 23:57   Link #1487
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Until you go on tumblr.
hahaha... indeed!

Those lovely folks are probably also responsible for driving Free's BD/DVD sales.
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Old 2013-09-29, 23:59   Link #1488
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Is this series any good? i havent watched it for various reasons but since it finished i thought id ask
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Old 2013-09-30, 00:02   Link #1489
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Is this series any good? i havent watched it for various reasons but since it finished i thought id ask
Watch a couple of episodes and then tell us about it. For me, it was enjoyable.
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Old 2013-10-01, 11:48   Link #1490
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hahaha... indeed!

Those lovely folks are probably also responsible for driving Free's BD/DVD sales.
If tumblr is anything to go by then yeah. It's like Free! SnK and Dangan Ronpa were the only anime that mattered this summer.
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Old 2013-10-12, 18:44   Link #1491
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Hm, interested in this series, but my friends are taunting me about it .. so I can't tell whether they're serious or not about it being good.

Right now it is boiling down to "It's kyoani, so you must" ..
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Old 2013-10-12, 19:42   Link #1492
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If tumblr is anything to go by then yeah. It's like Free! SnK and Dangan Ronpa were the only anime that mattered this summer.
And Kuroko. Mostly i just see Titans and basketball players with colors across the spectrum. And hard yaoi. Some of that too.
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Old 2013-10-12, 19:49   Link #1493
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If tumblr is anything to go by then yeah. It's like Free! SnK and Dangan Ronpa were the only anime that mattered this summer.
and K. Especially anything with motherfucking Fushimi and the Skater Douche...

I did watch Kuroko's Basketball...at least episode one. It was okay though I like how the MC is just *____* the whole time Kind of like how Haru was in the beginning.
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Old 2014-04-11, 19:51   Link #1494
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Saw this on twitter. I think it's just fanart but it's cute


I hope there is less angst in the 2nd season and more Kou.
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