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Old 2013-09-28, 22:53   Link #361
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Madoka took a staple of the magical girl genre (the magical girl familiar) and darkly inverted it.

Gen'ei took a staple of the magical girl genre (humans turning into monsters through monster-possession during moments of emotional weakness - see PreCure and Sailor Moon) and darkly inverted it.

In both cases, I had never seen this particular darker inversion done before.
That's true. But in both cases, that's a perfectly plausible idea in its own right. Plenty of people see a trope and play it to its - to them - logical conclusion. That's a similarity, but one more likely attibutable to general human creative behaviour.

Madoka may certainly have made marketing the idea easier, though. It's both a boon (less resistance to getting the thing through), and a draw-back (more pressure by comparison).

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I also think there's considerable similarities between Madoka and Akari. I also think that Luna was a compelling mixture of Homura, Sayaka, and Hitomi.
I do see the comparisons, but in both cases it looks more like an interpretative scheme to me than anything conclusive.

With Madoka/Akari I could probably plead common ancestor's. The latter is a bit vague to be compelling evidence for anything but similarity.

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Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed you would use this argument. It's the cheapest, most simplistic, and most overused anti-Madoka argument in the book.

Of course Madoka is not the first dark magical girl show. But that's not the point.
I honestly understand your dispointment. I'm attacking a straw man; nobody said that.

I guess I was overstating my point:

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Do you think there was never a dark mecha show before NGE? There almost certainly was, but that does not change how influential NGE was on the world of mecha, and the anime world in general. This is because NGE...

1) Took a particular trope of mecha anime (male lead is the son of deceased and/or really crappy parents) and put a darker, more realistic twist on it.

2) Achieved a level of prominence unlike any dark mecha show before it.


Madoka Magica is much the same. It...

1) Took a particular magical girl element (the magical girl familiar) and put a darker, more realistic twist on it.

2) Achieved a level of prominence unlike any dark magical girl show before it.

It's perfectly reasonable to think that Madoka Magica has influenced Gen'ei. I think you're far too dismissive of this idea.
Maybe I'm mixing up influence with inspiration, and I'm not separating the ideas properly in my head? Sorry about that, I need to think some more.
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Old 2013-09-28, 23:09   Link #362
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To be fair, I probably overstated my argument as well.

I don't think that Gen'ei is inspired by Madoka Magica so much as that Gen'ei's makers are simply aware of the impact that Madoka Magica has had, and so Gen'ei is carefully constructed with that impact in mind.

My main point is that I think Gen'ei is aiming to be a magical girl reconstruction (and it's trying to do that because of the magical girl genre deconstruction that was done by Madoka Magica two and a half years ago). To achieve that, the show has a generally dark atmosphere and tone, based largely on a dark inversion of an old magical girl trope. But then it has its characters overcome some very difficult trials and ordeals, to achieve a very happy ending, which notably includes Akari stating that she intends to one day save Daemonia-possessed humans rather than simply eliminating them.

But Gen'ei definitely can be appreciated and enjoyed without first watching Madoka. Likewise, Gurren Lagann can be appreciated and enjoyed without first watching NGE. It's just that, I think, you can get a fuller understanding of what influenced the show and some of its directions, at a meta level, if you're familiar with the same-genre deconstructive show that pre-dates it.
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Old 2013-09-29, 01:10   Link #363
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Just finished the series & I was left with more question than answer.

Who was the boss of the organization?

What does the organization actually do? (given that they actually control a free will Daemonia like Cereberum).

Why is Cereberum actually working for a politician? (a human, if you can call a politician human).

Finally, who was Cereberum its obvious he's a free will Daemonia, but nothing else was explained other than that.

This whole things scream season 2 & I hope I can watch it soon because it was the most interesting anime I watch this season.

So what you guys thinks about the show?
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Old 2013-09-29, 02:12   Link #364
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Hmm. A happy ending, I guess. So much left unanswered though.

Gen'ei is a nice set of ideas hampered by poor writing.

But it is an interesting concept and somehow the unique art, atmosphere, and overall ideas thrown into the mix are enough to make this an entertaining watch.
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Old 2013-09-29, 02:41   Link #365
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To be fair, I probably overstated my argument as well.

I don't think that Gen'ei is inspired by Madoka Magica so much as that Gen'ei's makers are simply aware of the impact that Madoka Magica has had, and so Gen'ei is carefully constructed with that impact in mind.

My main point is that I think Gen'ei is aiming to be a magical girl reconstruction (and it's trying to do that because of the magical girl genre deconstruction that was done by Madoka Magica two and a half years ago). To achieve that, the show has a generally dark atmosphere and tone, based largely on a dark inversion of an old magical girl trope. But then it has its characters overcome some very difficult trials and ordeals, to achieve a very happy ending, which notably includes Akari stating that she intends to one day save Daemonia-possessed humans rather than simply eliminating them.

But Gen'ei definitely can be appreciated and enjoyed without first watching Madoka. Likewise, Gurren Lagann can be appreciated and enjoyed without first watching NGE. It's just that, I think, you can get a fuller understanding of what influenced the show and some of its directions, at a meta level, if you're familiar with the same-genre deconstructive show that pre-dates it.
I certainly don't disagree with anything here, and I do think the idea of looking at Genei as a reconstruction is interesting. It's just hard for me to contextualise, since Madoka itself confirmed magical-girl shows with its ending.

Still thinking.
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Old 2013-09-29, 05:09   Link #366
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What a pointless series. Madoka's main redeeming feature, imo, is that at the end Madoka manages to change the status quo. A new one is implemented, yes, but she manages to abolish the darkest element of the old system: magical girls killing witches (people killing people). In this series nothing really changes. At the end people is still killing people, with no way out.


I suppose, watching these girls trapped in a hopeless world might be of value to some. For me, it's meaningless and pretty forgettable.
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Old 2013-09-29, 10:10   Link #367
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A meh ending in my book. The only thing that could have saved this anime is an interesting (I wouldn't hope for satisfying) ending, and it sure as hell didn't deliver. It wasn't a bad anime, but definitely not good either. The creators of this anime has no idea what deep and meaningful story really means, and are too busy expositioning a-la deep morals and making 'big ending episode" check marks to make this anime worthwhile.
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Old 2013-09-29, 16:00   Link #368
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I'm disappointed. I actually liked the show at the beginning, when the show was almost reminiscent of Garo, with people turning into monsters and the supposed heroes killing them, while character development and plot was steadily built up in the background. But then Ginka "died" and the nasty flaws in the show became obvious. What the hell was the point of that subplot, if she was going to turn up alive anyway (and how? She heard Akari calling her, but how did that prevent her from dying when she speared her evil double? And what was that "other side" stuff not explained?)? The anti-cards were supposed to be very dangerous threats, but in the end they did nothing for the plot since they never showed up again after KOing Meltina and Priscilla. Evil Luna was a more interesting threat, but that plot thread once again went nowhere because Cerebrum actually honored his promise to turn her back. And Leguzario, the organization/entity that's controlling both the Daemonia and Elemental Tarot users, the show never bothered to explain what their deal was, and the characters didn't seem to care despite being annoyed. What happened to the politician that Cerebrum was with? And Cerebrum's motives for doing all that he did was that he wanted to fuck Akari, which would somehow ensure the Daemonia's victory (even though they're already doing very well, outnumbering Elemental Tarot users by the thousands). Finally, there was Akari herself. IMHO she's not worthy of anything that other characters said about her. Always shining, always smiling, always forcing other to go her way... she acted like a normal character would, and didn't do any of that!

Score: 6.5/10. I liked the artstyle, which I know other people didn't, and I really liked the music (thank you Katou!), and I did like that Akari settled things with Fuyuna at the end, but everything else was vague explanations, plot points just thrown in and then taken out or ignored after serving their purpose, jumbled and confused themes, and the whole show ended up being a disappointment.
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Old 2013-10-01, 22:03   Link #369
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Well it seemed to all work out for every one at the end for being such a dark anime


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