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Old 2006-02-25, 14:18   Link #21
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No, I don't think so, Hunter. To translate this: "Neji is a unique shinobi".
Then it says something about his passion, and his silent manner, if I recall.

On Yondaime's cover it says "unrivalled in strength". To translate this: "The strongest".
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Old 2006-02-25, 15:35   Link #22
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That's priceless, do you think it's about Neji's ability to cook?
He would need that if he decides to go for the Hunter exam

Did anybody see old ninja? A ninja being old means he is damn strong, a kage being old means he is godlike. These people usually die young, all the kage we know died at a young age except for Sarutobi, that's a clear indication of power. In fact the golden age of Konha was under him, that's when Konoha became the greatest village. Also look at Chiyo, as she said to Sasori, she has seen countless battles. Ans she was still alive while her opponents all dead.

On the other hand this little Naruto vs Oro battle showed what unbeliveable power Kyuubi can have. The powerups are clearly not linear, the 4 tails being so strong, I cant really imagine how would Kishimoto depict a 9 tailed Kyuubi. And Yondaime was dealing with that. I already believed that Yondaime was the strongest and this fight is showing just that. Of course that's only my personal opinion, however the facts mostly say that Sandaime was the strongest.
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Old 2006-02-25, 15:45   Link #23
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The facts mostly say that Sandaime was the strongest.
There are no facts saying this, otherwise there would be no debate.

We have this:

A statement by Iruka, referring to Sarutobi's reputation as "the strongest of all".

Here's what I think

"The strongest of all" is quite possibly referring to other Kage Leaders (Suna, Iwa, etc.).
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Old 2006-02-25, 16:07   Link #24
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I think this entire arguement will be a mute point when the 6th Hokage comes around at the end of the series. Seriously, Naruto as Hokage with full control and use of all of Kyubi's chakra and power, there won't be a single ninja who could stand up to him.

And we all know that this will happen either when the series ends, or it will be set up to happen soon after.

For now however, I'd have to say that of the Hokage, each is the strongest in their own way. The first had to be incredibly strong in order to have founded the village in the first place. The second was obviously powerful, or else Orochimaru would have never revived him to face of against the 3rd. Third was also obviously strong, he is said to know every technique in Konoha, and at an old age fought against Orochimaru, and the 1st and 2nd quite effectively. The 4th defeated and sealed Kyubi, a being said to have an unlimited supply of Chakra. The 3rd also feared his resurection above the 1st and 2nd when fighting Orochimaru, so that says something of the 4th. The 5th is powerful, but I wouldn't go as far as placing her as high as 1-4. She has nearly unmatched physical strength, a trait she's passing to Sakura. She's a medical ninja, with a regeneration technique, and I don't think we've seen her go completely all out yet.

I still say the 6th will trump them all, unless they kill off Tsunade-sama before the series ends.
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Old 2006-02-25, 22:22   Link #25
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No, I don't think so, Hunter. To translate this: "Neji is a unique shinobi".
Then it says something about his passion, and his silent manner, if I recall.

On Yondaime's cover it says "unrivalled in strength". To translate this: "The strongest".
Look at my sig... there it is written. Those are just cool phrases nothing more.
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Old 2006-02-26, 05:30   Link #26
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There is no reason to believe that Sandaime was stronger than Yondaime.
These are just dreams, wishes, speculation and biased thinking.

Iruka said Sandaime was the strongest [compared to other village leaders].
No mention of his successor being weaker / stronger.

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Old 2006-02-26, 09:36   Link #27
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You can't trust what it says on the covers because it's just hype. You know, when an anouncer introduces a fighter as they enter the ring.

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"Introducing Sandaime, known as the professor who has mastered billions of jutsu! The greatest shinobi that ever lived! Hokage twice! He is comepletely unrivalled when it comes to the art of battle! With the agility and cunning of a monkey, he's the best!"

"Introducing Yondaime, former male prostitute."
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Old 2006-02-26, 09:40   Link #28
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You can't trust what it says on the covers because it's just hype.
I agree. The cover sidebar might be random poetry, but somtimes it is directly tied to the story.
In the Yondaime cover, it says everyone is aiming for his level of strength, and in the chapter we see just that.
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Old 2006-02-26, 10:26   Link #29
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There is no reason to believe that Sandaime was stronger than Yondaime.
These are just dreams, wishes, speculation and biased thinking.
There are reasons to believe that, just as there are reasons to believe that Yondaime was the best actually.
Biaised thinking is what you do : ignoring or twisting everything you don't like instead of admitting that there is no truth here just more or less backed up opinions.

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Iruka said Sandaime was the strongest [compared to other village leaders].
No mention of his successor being weaker / stronger.
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No he didn't say that, he specifically mentioned strongest Hokage. It was Kabuto who said that Sarutobi was the strongest Kage.

Just as Neji was said on the sidebare to be a shinobi without equal and not just an unique shinobi. The japanese sentence is quite clear and your "translation" doesn't make much sense in english either anyway.
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Old 2006-02-26, 10:26   Link #30
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No he didn't say that, he specifically mentioned strongest Hokage.
It was Kabuto who said that Sarutobi was the strongest Kage.
Hm. You're right. But more importantly: This is about reputation.
It is likely that Sandaime was known as the strongest, but in reality Yondaime was stronger.

Hm. Isn't the Yondaime Hokage a secret in Konoha? Because he sealed the Kyuubi.
Yes. So, Iruka is not allowed to talk about the secret mysterious Hokage.
I think that's why he said the Third was the strongest (1st, 2nd, 3rd).

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Old 2006-02-26, 11:23   Link #31
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Hm. You're right. But more importantly: This is about reputation.
It is likely that Sandaime was known as the strongest, but in reality Yondaime was stronger.
Yes that's indeed possible.
I would add that in the end it will always be about reputation as the 3rd and the 4th didn't and will not fight against each others.

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Hm. Isn't the Yondaime Hokage a secret in Konoha? Because he sealed the Kyuubi.
Yes. So, Iruka is not allowed to talk about the secret mysterious Hokage.
I think that's why he said the Third was the strongest (1st, 2nd, 3rd).
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In the other hand you dreamed that, Yondaime was feared outside Konoha even before he became Hokage and he's reputed as the greatest hero of Konoha.
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Old 2006-02-26, 12:25   Link #32
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Not to mention his face is carved on the mountain and even Naruto, who was not to be told about Kyuubi, knew about him.
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Old 2006-02-26, 12:27   Link #33
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Not to mention his face is carved on the mountain.
But it is an unknown face to the younger generation.
It isn't allowed to talk about Yondaime, Kyuubi or Yondaime's strength.
That's why Sandaime, in the same chapter, thought about Yondaime, but he didn't say anything.
The Yondaime Hokage was stronger than Sandaime, but this is a secret to most ninjas.
So far only Anko, Jiraiya and Sandaime implied that they know about this.

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Naruto, who was not to be told about Kyuubi, knew about him.
Of course. Naruto is the main character and he was created by Yondaime.
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Old 2006-02-26, 13:07   Link #34
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Yes that's indeed possible.
I would add that in the end it will always be about reputation as the 3rd and the 4th didn't and will not fight against each others.
This is not exactly correct. There are two main reasons. First, if I am not mistaken, we are told that the people whose souls are taken by the death god have to fight against each other. If Yondaime's soul is also there, the fight may be inevitable. Second, if the souls of those who are sealed inside Death God can be brought back, both of them can be brought back to life in an additional chapter by Oro (and someone else) to satisfy Yellow Flash. Oro can either make them fight each other alone, or have a fight against Sasuke both using Edo Tensei.
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Old 2006-02-26, 15:11   Link #35
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I would say Sandaime. Cuz after seeing what Shodaime can do plus we dun even know shit about Nidaime Iruka still says Sandaime is the strongest and Saru agrees with him.
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Old 2006-02-26, 15:17   Link #36
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Iruka still says Sandaime is the strongest and Saru agrees with him.
They had no choice. It isn't allowed to talk about Yondaime.

Notice in the same chapter:

Sandaime secretly thought about Yondaime, implying that the 4th was even greater.
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Old 2006-02-26, 16:20   Link #37
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Why aren't you replying to me or Hunter anymore?
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Old 2006-02-28, 08:19   Link #38
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What? I don't see any possible way to counter such a statement.
And yes, Naruto has grown a lot, unless he was asleep for three years. .
Yes, but he has not Shown to growth in a way that surpassed imagination.


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They had no choice. It isn't allowed to talk about Yondaime.

Notice in the same chapter:

Sandaime secretly thought about Yondaime, implying that the 4th was even greater.
You are inventing this; there is no indication on such thing.
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Old 2006-02-28, 09:21   Link #39
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I seem to keep repeating this, but I guess if people actually took my advice there wouldn't be much to speculate on. PEOPLE IN "NARUTOVERSE" ALL HAVE OPIONS. shouldn't take this as a difinitive proff of anything. yeah Iruka said that Saratubi is the most powerful, but the way he said it is a way of praising him, and it's over exaggerated.

Plus making people say their opinions as characters is a very good way for Kishimoto to build up a story and not have to take full responsibilities as a writter if the statement is later WAY OFF!

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Old 2006-02-28, 09:33   Link #40
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"No one can achieve Mangekyu without being a blood Uchiha" -some where along those lines

Oh look Kakashi has it!!!!!

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Itachi did not say that, he said that only another Uchiha With the same ability as him could beat him.
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