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Old 2013-10-24, 23:27   Link #21
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the Guardian did their homework in a much more convincing way. The latter article has lots of actual insights and search done. And while it does mention a bit anime/virtual stuff, it is just a very small piece of that puzzle.
Saw OP. Read BBC article. Had an immediate impulse to post that instead with the exact same sentiment as yours.

Hmph. :I

That being so, I propose that we keep the outraged Western-journalism-about-Japan-sucks (we know) to a minimum and discuss this much more interesting Guardian article instead. There's quite a lot of interesting points to be discussed in the Guardian article, including points for disagreement and further clarification -- from natives and experts.

As for myself, I'm just curious where I can find the closest dominatrix-cum-volunteer psychiatrist to teach me about the secrets of life...
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Old 2013-10-24, 23:41   Link #22
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Saw OP. Read BBC article. Had an immediate impulse to post that instead with the exact same sentiment as yours.

Hmph. :I

That being so, I propose that we keep the outraged Western-journalism-about-Japan-sucks (we know) to a minimum and discuss this much more interesting Guardian article instead. There's quite a lot of interesting points to be discussed in the Guardian article, including points for disagreement and further clarification -- from natives and experts.

As for myself, I'm just curious where I can find the closest dominatrix-cum-volunteer psychiatrist to teach me about the secrets of life...
You should just find a shrink first.

While I see no immediate future in marriage, I think I can relate to the "herbivorous men" lack of desire for one. We have too much on our minds at the moment to think about marriage, like money, reservist, project deadlines....it somewhat created that these issues are more urgent and therefore makes marriage look like a luxury.

Sume-nee made a post in the News Stories thread comparing the state of Japan and their "arch-nemesis" Korea, with almost similar cultures, yet completely different attitudes. I'll see if I can dig that up after I get home.

And also, do a favour for your fellow men; stop going for aggressive women
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Old 2013-10-25, 01:03   Link #23
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I agree. Especially since the text under the opening picture reads "Manga and anime advertising posters on a building in Akihabara, Tokyo". I've never heard of a Vocaloid anime, and I don't think there's a professionally-made Vocaloid manga. They just aimed the camera at something that looked like an anime promotion to them, and went 'click'.
There is...I own several volumes.

Anyway, sensationalist news is sensationalist
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Old 2013-10-25, 01:07   Link #24
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So, anyone agree that this is crap?

Oh, and should I mention that the Rate of Suicide for Man with Family and Stable Employed Job always high in Japan. Even worse, a lot of them suffer from overwhelming stress and have to retire early.
Thinking that a lot of porn comes from Japan in 2D and 3D format (lols), they still has the issue regarding population.... I thought anime is being use to encourage premarital sex....
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Old 2013-10-25, 05:33   Link #25
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I tend to take BBC reports on countries where English is not the primary language with a grain of salt.
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Old 2013-10-25, 05:40   Link #26
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I'm from the UK and I find it kinda insulting that they say "Is it time for them to grow up and have babies"

So what, BBC, having Babies is something every single person on the planet should do? What about the people who don't want kids?
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Old 2013-10-25, 06:38   Link #27
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To be fair, that's the BBC Magazine section. That's where they generally dump all the "info-tainment" crap.
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Old 2013-10-25, 06:50   Link #28
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To be fair, that's the BBC Magazine section. That's where they generally dump all the "info-tainment" crap.
Good to know. I always like BBC's Natural History, but I don't know how good they are in other departments. I hate Teletubbies though (isn't that from BBC?).
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Old 2013-10-25, 07:42   Link #29
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Seriously I found most journalists disingenuous when they are writing about the topics obviously not their interest. Beside it was common knowledge by now Japan's marriage status shrinking and cause. While otaku culture is a part of problem but the root of the problem is the economic mismanagement.
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Old 2013-10-25, 08:29   Link #30
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Every developed nation is facing declining birth rates. Japan is just ahead of the curve. There's several territories/nations ahead of it, even.

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Global fertility rates are in general decline and this trend is most pronounced in industrialized countries, especially Western Europe, where populations are projected to decline dramatically over the next 50 years.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2127rank.html
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Old 2013-10-25, 08:33   Link #31
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I'm from the UK and I find it kinda insulting that they say "Is it time for them to grow up and have babies"

So what, BBC, having Babies is something every single person on the planet should do? What about the people who don't want kids?
A portion of the population still have not the memo that we are not in the 1950s anymore when it have been expected for men and women to marry as soon as they graduates and find a job.
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Old 2013-10-25, 09:49   Link #32
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First of all, BBC report is only telling one of the reason of the declined, not the only reason. They might need to get more information about this like the Guardian article.

My theory about this is, they are over-work (I remember my ex-girlfriend and wife tells me that they have to start work around 6 or 7 in the morning and leave about 6 or 7 at night, then got other company functions as well), under-pay, stress out and dealing with home life is not walk in the park either. Economic mismanagement is the major part of this, like Soliloquy say. Plus for some, it is much easier to still single and live the life than being married and be tie down to the house, worried about kids (I feel my wife is going through that right now) or worried about your other half cheating (I think they have very high divorce rates as well over there as well.)

Plus, I might be wrong about this but I dont think that Japanese people look highly at others who has kids by other people from different countries (My biggest concerns about that, I have a 3 year old and one on the way that is mixed). My wife says that most Japanese folks does not like that at all. So others might be very worried about that and dont even try it (unless you are military ofcourse)

So if you add all of those reasons up, with other factors then you can see why this is happening. There is no quick fix to this problem.

I actually look at this video this morning, I know it is just a opinion but it give you a idea (NSFW) just in case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpZbu7J7UL4
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Old 2013-10-25, 10:14   Link #33
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Every developed nation is facing declining birth rates. Japan is just ahead of the curve. There's several territories/nations ahead of it, even.



https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2127rank.html
Yeah .. their specific problem is a combination of declining birth rates, a relatively sluggish economy and lack of immigration.

On that list, Canada is ranked 180 to Japan's 208. But look at the net migration rate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...migration_rate
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Old 2013-10-25, 10:28   Link #34
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I actually look at this video this morning, I know it is just a opinion but it give you a idea (NSFW) just in case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpZbu7J7UL4
Wow, that was great. One of the better VICE videos I've seen. The part with the cuddle cafe was indeed profoundly disturbing. The part when the girl said that she wished happy couples would die made me do a double take. That girl is nuts.
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Old 2013-10-25, 10:46   Link #35
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Wow, that was great. One of the better videos I've seen. The part with the cuddle cafe was indeed profoundly disturbing. The part when the girl said that she wished happy couples would die made me do a double take. That girl is nuts.
Yeah, that was just crazy. I never heard of a Cuddle Cafe before, i swear they will be doing alot more than just cuddling there. I was surprised that Japan have more adult diapers than baby diapers, now that is just crazy.
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Old 2013-10-25, 11:16   Link #36
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Has someone forgot to mention that some Japanese (or, for that matter, in most developed countries) women now are dedicated careerists that relationships are not an option?

At another forum we had a similar discussion about this, and a lot of factors -- historical, social, economic, political, corporate, cultural factors -- have contributed to the decline of the Japanese birthrate, not just because of the hyped-up assumption that ACG -- animation-comics-games -- (oh, boy, just like blaming M-rated games for gun-related crimes) is solely responsible for the decline.
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Old 2013-10-26, 00:19   Link #37
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Has someone forgot to mention that some Japanese (or, for that matter, in most developed countries) women now are dedicated careerists that relationships are not an option?

At another forum we had a similar discussion about this, and a lot of factors -- historical, social, economic, political, corporate, cultural factors -- have contributed to the decline of the Japanese birthrate, not just because of the hyped-up assumption that ACG -- animation-comics-games -- (oh, boy, just like blaming M-rated games for gun-related crimes) is solely responsible for the decline.
But to the point that of 45% of women aged 16-24 openly answering that they hate or don't give a "f" about having sex? Something is obviously psychologically wrong somewhere. For me, that's the most worrying part because it's about not being interested in something that should be natural, either having sex for fun's sake or for having children. We know that birthrates are an issue everywhere in all industrialized countries for various reasons. Still, it's the aversion for something that's so natural, so basic that is baffling.

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Old 2013-10-26, 01:00   Link #38
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Pss... Who know? But where did you get that information?

Also, a bit out of topic, but only in harsh time that you know who is the true fan, and who isn't.
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Old 2013-10-26, 01:04   Link #39
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But to the point that of 45% of women aged 16-24 openly answering that they hate or don't give a "f" about having sex? Something is obviously psychologically wrong somewhere. For me, that's the most worrying part because it's about not being interested in something that should be natural, either having sex for fun's sake or for having children. We know that birthrates are an issue everywhere in all industrialized countries for various reasons. Still, it's the aversion for something that's so natural, so basic that is baffling.
I'm inclined to say these sorts of numbers stem from disinterest in sex being fashionable rather than a psychological factor. It makes a lot more sense to me.

And while I'm surprised how high the number is, I'm not surprised to see a rejectionist movement in general. Admittedly speaking from a westerner's perspective here, but mainstream culture's obsession with sex can be a bit off putting.
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Old 2013-10-26, 01:19   Link #40
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Pss... Who know? But where did you get that information?
It was quoted in the article from The Guardian mentioned earlier.

No matter what real numbers exactly are, you have to admit that something's obviously wrong in educating those girls at the same time there's a problem with young men.

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And while I'm surprised how high the number is, I'm not surprised to see a rejectionist movement in general. Admittedly speaking from a westerner's perspective here, but mainstream culture's obsession with sex can be a bit off putting.
Still, we talk about a society that is supposedly a lot more open about the topic than countries having a Christian/Muslim influence. That's why it is very surprising IMO.
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