AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Discussion > Older Series

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2013-10-12, 15:35   Link #941
Sister Princess
Easy Operation
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Toronto, Canada
Age: 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo View Post
1205 BDs for Watamote - so much for the hopes of a stealth audience. This is just more proof for me that the anime-buying public has horrible taste, and as long as they effectively run the production committees in the long-term, anime is screwed.
Watching Watamote more than once is painful. Anime viewers just don't want to remember their lives in high school.

It's the Japanese education system's fault (Despite their education sound better than in Hong Kong). Not the anime.
__________________
PSO2: SisterPrincess (Ship 7)
Sister Princess is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-12, 15:39   Link #942
GDiddy
Sisterhood of the Desu
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: in a van by the river
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo View Post
1205 BDs for Watamote - so much for the hopes of a stealth audience. This is just more proof for me that the anime-buying public has horrible taste, and as long as they effectively run the production committees in the long-term, anime is screwed.
Not enough moe or T & A or does this hit too hard for the otaku crowd?

Though personally, I think Mokoicchi is moe....
__________________
GDiddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-12, 15:43   Link #943
Jan-Poo
別にいいけど
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: forever lost inside a logic error
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Princess View Post
Anime viewers just don't want to remember their lives in high school.

It's the Japanese education system's fault (Despite their education sound better than in Hong Kong). Not the anime.
Actually this is something that makes me wonder.
There is the fact that a very high proportion of anime is focused on a high school or middle school setting. This would seem to indicate that there's actually a demand for such settings to be depicted.

Now as an European (and I guess that for americans and australians it works as well) the Japanese school system is so different and alien from my personal experience that those anime still work as pure escapism. I'm not really reminded of my school experiences by watching them.

But is it the same for Japanese people? Wouldn't all those high school anime remind them of their school days when they can closely relate to the situations depicted?
__________________

Jan-Poo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-12, 16:00   Link #944
Goty
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Send a message via ICQ to Goty Send a message via MSN to Goty
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jan-Poo View Post
But is it the same for Japanese people? Wouldn't all those high school anime remind them of their school days when they can closely relate to the situations depicted?
I think they prefer to see how they wish their high school life had been (similar to Tomoko's dreams), as unrealistic as those views might be, not a close depiction of how it actually was.

But yeah, i do wonder why the vast majority of animes have some sort of high school setting, even ones that are supposedly aimed at an older audience.
Goty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-12, 16:19   Link #945
Sister Princess
Easy Operation
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Toronto, Canada
Age: 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jan-Poo View Post
Actually this is something that makes me wonder.
There is the fact that a very high proportion of anime is focused on a high school or middle school setting. This would seem to indicate that there's actually a demand for such settings to be depicted.

Now as an European (and I guess that for americans and australians it works as well) the Japanese school system is so different and alien from my personal experience that those anime still work as pure escapism. I'm not really reminded of my school experiences by watching them.

But is it the same for Japanese people? Wouldn't all those high school anime remind them of their school days when they can closely relate to the situations depicted?
It's just Watamote reflect reality too much.

Haganai reflect daily lives of a club but there is no way the you can find club members with only 1 male and multiple female.

K-ON reflect even a retard(ahem) can become competent. It also has members with personality. You can only find this in 2D.

Free! has handsome boys in swimming club. But when you're handsome, why not become drama king/queen instead?

Suzumiya Haruhi want to find aliens, psychics during declaration at school. In 3D world chances are this will leave a bad reputation in the classroom.

These unrealistic measures made people feel "why I can't be this guy" "how can I become this guy" so at least social losers don't feel like they are losing.
__________________
PSO2: SisterPrincess (Ship 7)
Sister Princess is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-14, 04:10   Link #946
Lord of Fire
The Voice of Reason
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: The Netherlands
Age: 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo View Post
1205 BDs for Watamote - so much for the hopes of a stealth audience. This is just more proof for me that the anime-buying public has horrible taste, and as long as they effectively run the production committees in the long-term, anime is screwed.
I think we should be glad it got made into anime at all.

From what I understand, if it didn't become so popular at 4chan, even the manga itself would've gone largely unnoticed by Japanese readers. This might be one of those rare shows that gets received better overseas than in Japan.

I can understand why Japan doesn't seem to like this show as much as we do. it does hit close to home for a large number of people, and if anime is the Japanese otaku's way of escaping their dreadful daily lives, the last thing they want is a show that will remind them exactly of how dreadful it is, or used to be.
__________________
Lord of Fire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-14, 04:36   Link #947
hamazura
Eugeo Fangay
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Inside Mugino's Pantsu *_*
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Princess View Post
Haganai reflect daily lives of a club but there is no way the you can find club members with only 1 male and multiple female.

.
lol last year in my highschool, i was one of three boys in 'art unit' (band, music, dance and such) which consist of about 35 girls + 3 boys (including me)
thats how i got girlfriend and alot of girl-friend even thou my social skill was so-so and my face was normal


ok on-topic
is someone very like anime often get bullied / alienated in school in ur country? (europe / america / japan maybe?) because all people i knew from my entire life, ive never seen someone got bullied / alienated because of anime and stuff
__________________
hamazura is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-14, 04:52   Link #948
Guardian Enzo
Seishu's Ace
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Kagurazaka, Tokyo
Quote:
Originally Posted by GDiddy View Post
Not enough moe or T & A or does this hit too hard for the otaku crowd?

Though personally, I think Mokoicchi is moe....
I'm on-record saying she's one of the most moe characters in recent memory, going by the original definition of the term.
Guardian Enzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-14, 05:01   Link #949
Dr. Casey
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Tennessee
Age: 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Princess View Post
Haganai reflect daily lives of a club but there is no way the you can find club members with only 1 male and multiple female.
I don't think that's necessarily unrealistic - I had a class my senior year of high school where I was the only guy in a classroom of about 20 students, so a club with that kind of unbalanced ratio isn't that out there. Haganai certainly does treat the subject matter far differently than Watamote, though, in that

Spoiler for Haganai Episode 1 spoilers:


Oh, and I hope that Tomoko crushes those students that talked badly about her just like she did that cockroach. Bastards. (... hey, my protectiveness proves that she is indeed moe. Irrefutable evidence.)

Last edited by Dr. Casey; 2013-10-14 at 05:22.
Dr. Casey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-14, 09:07   Link #950
Utsuro no Hako
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jan-Poo View Post
But is it the same for Japanese people? Wouldn't all those high school anime remind them of their school days when they can closely relate to the situations depicted?
I think Watamote explains their view pretty well -- just as Tomoko approaches high school hoping it'll be as idealized as anime makes it out, people who've gone through it look back and wish it had been that way, and all those bitches they hated would've been their friends and dragged them along on all sorts of reajuu outings they would've said they hate but come to enjoy, and the girl who was meanest to them would actually turn out to be in love with them, etc.

And we do see the same thing in the US with shows like Glee and Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which even though it purports to be about how high school is hell, still presents an idealized experience where the loser characters get to be cool.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Princess View Post
Haganai reflect daily lives of a club but there is no way the you can find club members with only 1 male and multiple female.
Not true. At my high school one year the drama club had a really disastrous fall production which caused most of the members to quit, leaving just half a dozen girls in the club. But plays with an all-female cast are rare and the best they could do was one with just a single male role, so they waited in the library after school one day and dragged any guy who came in by himself to the audition.

And this being the drama club, the girls were all as eccentric as any anime character.
Utsuro no Hako is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-14, 19:27   Link #951
NaweG
Just some guy
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Antonio, TX
Age: 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Casey View Post
I don't think that's necessarily unrealistic - I had a class my senior year of high school where I was the only guy in a classroom of about 20 students, so a club with that kind of unbalanced ratio isn't that out there. Haganai certainly does treat the subject matter far differently than Watamote, though, in that

Spoiler for Haganai Episode 1 spoilers:
So basically if the Beverly Hillbillies got the Battlestar Galactica reboot treatment? I'm sad to say that sounds almost like something that would be worth watching. Then Watamote could be the daughter who instead of being cute in cutoffs and a tied up top was now suffering from anorexia and trying to live up to the kids at school who don't care for "new money"...
__________________
NaweG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-20, 20:14   Link #952
ReinZwei
南宮 那月
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: こころ
Age: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Utsuro no Hako View Post
Well the manga's still selling well, but it doesn't look like there's been any boost from the anime. Which is yet more proof that manga readers have better taste than anime fans.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo View Post
1205 BDs for Watamote - so much for the hopes of a stealth audience. This is just more proof for me that the anime-buying public has horrible taste, and as long as they effectively run the production committees in the long-term, anime is screwed.
I was one of the people who were surprised by this, but oh well, hope that manga will raise the probability of a season 2, although BD/DVD sales were the primary booster for a second season, other media can be a factor also.
__________________
Vocaloid Thread
______________________
Signature/Art Made By:
Suzuki-Goro

Character:
Original Art
______________________
Manga/LN Sites:
Baka-Tsuki
Mangaupdates
______________________
ReinZwei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-24, 14:30   Link #953
Lord of Fire
The Voice of Reason
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: The Netherlands
Age: 37
No Matter How I Look At It, It's You Guys Fault I'm In An Adult Video (SFW)

Seriously, of all the anime the porn industry could use to make AVs of, they had to choose this show.

I haven't seen the actual video, though I'm not sure if I want to.
__________________
Lord of Fire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-26, 09:28   Link #954
SPARTAN 119
Unleashing the Homu-Rage
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jan-Poo View Post
Actually this is something that makes me wonder.
There is the fact that a very high proportion of anime is focused on a high school or middle school setting. This would seem to indicate that there's actually a demand for such settings to be depicted.

Now as an European (and I guess that for americans and australians it works as well) the Japanese school system is so different and alien from my personal experience that those anime still work as pure escapism. I'm not really reminded of my school experiences by watching them.

But is it the same for Japanese people? Wouldn't all those high school anime remind them of their school days when they can closely relate to the situations depicted?
I've heard about this before, and really, most people in Japan's high school experience was nothing like an anime. I've read somewhere (can't remember where) about it being described as "nostalgia for a past that never existed in the first place".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of Fire View Post
No Matter How I Look At It, It's You Guys Fault I'm In An Adult Video (SFW)

Seriously, of all the anime the porn industry could use to make AVs of, they had to choose this show.

I haven't seen the actual video, though I'm not sure if I want to.
Well, that's Rule 34 in action for you...
SPARTAN 119 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-30, 07:42   Link #955
Guardian Enzo
Seishu's Ace
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Kagurazaka, Tokyo
Well, here's a small bit of good news - Watamote Vol. 1 is ranked #1 on Amazon's U.S. manga bestseller list.

http://ebook.itmedia.co.jp/ebook/art...0/news089.html
Guardian Enzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-10-31, 04:03   Link #956
Pocari_Sweat
Basketball > Chickens
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Australia
Age: 26
Send a message via AIM to Pocari_Sweat Send a message via MSN to Pocari_Sweat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of Fire View Post
No Matter How I Look At It, It's You Guys Fault I'm In An Adult Video (SFW)

Seriously, of all the anime the porn industry could use to make AVs of, they had to choose this show.

I haven't seen the actual video, though I'm not sure if I want to.
Lmfao.
__________________
Pocari_Sweat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-11-01, 02:59   Link #957
Lord of Fire
The Voice of Reason
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: The Netherlands
Age: 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo View Post
Well, here's a small bit of good news - Watamote Vol. 1 is ranked #1 on Amazon's U.S. manga bestseller list.

http://ebook.itmedia.co.jp/ebook/art...0/news089.html
Somehow, I'm not surprised.

Which reminds me, I need to (pre)order it myself as well.
__________________
Lord of Fire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-11-02, 16:07   Link #958
durack
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jan-Poo View Post
Actually this is something that makes me wonder.


But is it the same for Japanese people? Wouldn't all those high school anime remind them of their school days when they can closely relate to the situations depicted?
Well, don't know anything about Japanese schools but why would it be any different from how US schools are depicted in Hollywood movies?
durack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-11-02, 16:15   Link #959
durack
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Loved the show and now bought vol 1 of the manga.

One thing though - even though you feelsympathy for the MC, she is also a very flawed person - a pathological liar, lazy, basically sits around and waits for a harem of Prince Charmings to show up, refers to her only friend as "slut", "cow", "bitch" etc - because of envy.

I'd say the outside world is relatively nice to her - basically people either try to be nice or just ignore her. Someone like her could be ripped apart in real world HS, in any country...
durack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-11-08, 22:04   Link #960
MCAL
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Watamote ends up as Number 3 on the NY Times best seller list.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...-27-november-2
MCAL is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
coming of age, dark comedy, high school, satire, slice of life

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:25.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.