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Old 2013-10-21, 07:22   Link #761
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That is the real problem. The enemy, to the Syrian snipers can be anyone that is not in uniform. It is always shoot first, talk later, and let the opposition have their heyday; even if it is a "pregnant" woman; you don't know if she is packing a load of ANFO underneath that maternity dress or your fellow man's fruit. Unfortunately, as CE as said, it can be often used as a form of excuse to kill people; war is that dirty, regardless of side.

Sniping is still a psychological component of warfare; having your enemy cap your buddy right beside, out of nowhere you isn't something you don't want to write home about. But that is his job; to kill your morale, any means possible. It is a slow and patient process; one soldier at a time.
Mmm yar....but that doesn't mean that the sniper who does it isn't scum. See...many people excuse Hap Arnold and LeMay for firebombing Tokyo and Japan in general to ash while moaning about Nanking or excuse the razing of Dresden and Hamburg while labeling the lynching of downed British and USAAF crewmen as "murder"

It happens and it does but killing is killing, no matter who you kill and the worst are the ones who do it and genuinely believe in the rightness of their actions (Not how it was a hard and necessary but unforgiveabale nonetheless but those who actually believe it was morally right and kill with hatred)
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Old 2013-10-21, 07:30   Link #762
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Mmm yar....but that doesn't mean that the sniper who does it isn't scum. See...many people excuse Hap Arnold and LeMay for firebombing Tokyo and Japan in general to ash while moaning about Nanking or excuse the razing of Dresden and Hamburg while labeling the lynching of downed British and USAAF crewmen as "murder"

It happens and it does but killing is killing, no matter who you kill and the worst are the ones who do it and genuinely believe in the rightness of their actions (Not how it was a hard and necessary but unforgiveabale nonetheless but those who actually believe it was morally right and kill with hatred)
The problem is: Where is the leash?
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Old 2013-10-22, 13:21   Link #763
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Mmm yar....but that doesn't mean that the sniper who does it isn't scum. See...many people excuse Hap Arnold and LeMay for firebombing Tokyo and Japan in general to ash while moaning about Nanking or excuse the razing of Dresden and Hamburg while labeling the lynching of downed British and USAAF crewmen as "murder"

It happens and it does but killing is killing, no matter who you kill and the worst are the ones who do it and genuinely believe in the rightness of their actions (Not how it was a hard and necessary but unforgiveabale nonetheless but those who actually believe it was morally right and kill with hatred)
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The problem is: Where is the leash?
Fireminer was right. In World War 2, Japanese troops are given the "initiative" initiate ball rolls, the invasion of Manchuria was not actually planned by Japanese Command but the commander of the Kwantung gave the order to push up.

They just went, uh, go ahead, and resulted in more casualties and the creation of Manchuko.
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Old 2013-10-24, 03:05   Link #764
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If you read closer, you'll realize that I didn't mean it as an excuse for killing

Killing is killing. IE eventually it'll come back to bite you and yours in the ass some day. It solves nothing and is just a shit action that should have no bit of "right" in.

I'm speaking more of the moral and overall effect in the long run than from a short term tactician's view

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Old 2013-10-24, 03:40   Link #765
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Well, the Wheel of Karma is unavoidable, that's for sure. All I live for is for someone to shed tears when I'm death.
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Old 2013-10-29, 19:22   Link #766
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In Syria outbreak, polio exploits conflict once more
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Old 2013-10-31, 23:55   Link #767
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Israeli planes strike Syrian military base
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Old 2013-10-31, 23:59   Link #768
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So maybe the Sauds should just hold their anti-Israeli rhetoric and cooperate with Israel?
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Old 2013-11-01, 01:32   Link #769
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Mmm yar....but that doesn't mean that the sniper who does it isn't scum. See...many people excuse Hap Arnold and LeMay for firebombing Tokyo and Japan in general to ash while moaning about Nanking or excuse the razing of Dresden and Hamburg while labeling the lynching of downed British and USAAF crewmen as "murder"

It happens and it does but killing is killing, no matter who you kill and the worst are the ones who do it and genuinely believe in the rightness of their actions (Not how it was a hard and necessary but unforgiveabale nonetheless but those who actually believe it was morally right and kill with hatred)
The Japanese and Germans could have chosen rather easily to not slaughter millions of people who had already surrendered or were noncombatants. The Americans and British on the other hand at least had some military excuse for massive bombing raids - to destroy enemy industry and bring the war to a close faster. The Axis made up a minority of the world's military-industrial power yet caused most of the casualties of the war.

I think that when judging people like LeMay and their personal views on such grizzly things as strategic bombing, you have to consider that if the work was "hard and necessary", it would have also been necessary to find and choose the right men for the job. That means men who are themselves monstrous in some ways. As necessary instruments they should not be considered in the same vein as men like Mengele or Prince Asaka.
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Old 2013-11-01, 06:17   Link #770
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Russian PM sees Syria peace talks by end of year
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Old 2013-11-01, 06:40   Link #771
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Old 2013-11-01, 07:26   Link #772
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I must say, Syria is no less than a swamp now. No way to end this conflict peacefully, that is for sure.

Anyway, anyone here seeing the same pattern of Middle East: Religious Clash more than Philosophy Clash?
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Old 2013-11-01, 09:44   Link #773
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The Japanese and Germans could have chosen rather easily to not slaughter millions of people who had already surrendered or were noncombatants. The Americans and British on the other hand at least had some military excuse for massive bombing raids - to destroy enemy industry and bring the war to a close faster. The Axis made up a minority of the world's military-industrial power yet caused most of the casualties of the war.

I think that when judging people like LeMay and their personal views on such grizzly things as strategic bombing, you have to consider that if the work was "hard and necessary", it would have also been necessary to find and choose the right men for the job. That means men who are themselves monstrous in some ways. As necessary instruments they should not be considered in the same vein as men like Mengele or Prince Asaka.
Doesn't change the fact they are still monstrous though. The policies they pushed for served no purpose (In Germany's case I mean razing Hamburg and Dresden, not bombing industry. Hamburg was purely meant as terror bombing) and was unecessary. The later plan by LeMay to nuke everything from Warsaw to Shanghai at the mere start of war (even if China wasn't involved) is also pure madness. It's more like wrong men pushing a wrong policy.

And if you thought LeMay had any mistaken ideas about deliberately roasting innocent civilians...his remarks then and later in Korea more than make it clear he knew what he was doing, "targeting industry and civilians being collateral" be damned


As for the first part....I never bought the two wrongs make a right argument.
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Old 2013-11-01, 10:11   Link #774
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I must say, Syria is no less than a swamp now. No way to end this conflict peacefully, that is for sure.

Anyway, anyone here seeing the same pattern of Middle East: Religious Clash more than Philosophy Clash?
It's a little bit of everything. The splitting of Islam into two factions was initially religious schism, but it has become cultural and political over the centuries.

One way or another, the lack of a clear leader who speaks for the Rebels means we do NOT want the current regime to fall. The rebels need to prove they have a plan for the future, or no one can really endorse them destroying what political system that currently stands.
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Old 2013-11-01, 12:49   Link #775
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Syria becomes largest home to al Qaeda; jihadists find safe haven to plot attacks:

"Syria has become al Qaeda’s largest safe haven, with more than 10,000 fighters who
outnumber the terrorist network’s core organization in Pakistan and its affiliates in
North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula.

The development, analysts say, provides al Qaeda with a new base from which to
attack Western targets, attract recruits to its jihadist doctrine, finance its operations
and expand its influence throughout the Middle East.

In addition, the terrorists are consolidating their hold in Syria— generating revenue by
selling oil confiscated from wells in the eastern part of the country, setting up Islamic
courts and other means of government, and enforcing borders with neighboring
countries, the U.S. ambassador to Syria said Thursday."

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...e-to-al-qaeda/
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Old 2013-11-09, 00:14   Link #776
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Clip from VICE docu on foreigners from UK and France fighting in Syria. Surprised they didn't run into any Aussies.
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Old 2013-12-08, 19:06   Link #777
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Syria mess may spawn ‘Islamic emirate’ world must deal with, says Iraq’s top diplomat:

"Iraq’s top diplomat says the “toxic” proliferation of extremist groups among Syria’s
rebels raises the prospect of a jihadist-ruled territory at the heart of the region.

Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari told attendees at a security conference in
Bahrain on Saturday that the increase in radical fighters in the armed opposition to
Syrian President Bashar Assad is leading toward the creation of an ungovernable
“Islamic emirate” that the world will have to deal with down the road."

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...world-must-de/


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Al-Qaeda branch in Syria has shot down an Assad regime’s made-in-Iran drone:


"Al Jazeera has posted exclusive footage of a drone shot down by Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda’s
local branch in Syria, while it was flying over Aleppo.

The drone seems to be a Yasir drone, a small Iranian drone (that can be quickly disassembled to
be carried in a suitcase) based on the American Boeing ScanEagle (captured by the Iranians in
2012).

The Yasir (or the Sayeh – the version operated by the IRGC, Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards
Corps) has been operating in Syria since November."

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http://theaviationist.com/2013/12/07/yasir-down-syria/
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Old 2013-12-08, 19:44   Link #778
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Well that could give Israel an excuse to deal with the problem without too much fear of reprisal form the other Islamic countries.
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Old 2013-12-08, 20:49   Link #779
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Well that could give Israel an excuse to deal with the problem without too much fear of reprisal form the other Islamic countries.
If Israel want to go to war, it is their sovereign right to do so. I do not mind AT ALL that they go to war with anybody and everybody; as long as they do it with their own soldier's lives and their own money. I don't want Australia to be dragged into an American conflict with the purpose of fighting Israel's battles. We are allies with America; but the alliance doesn't go far enough to fight a third party's battles.
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Old 2014-01-04, 20:29   Link #780
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Report: Hezbollah moving scud missiles from Syria into Lebanon:

"Hezbollah has been transferring its long range missiles out of Syria and into
Lebanon, including missiles which could reach the heart of Israel, the New York
Times reported on Frdiay.

Israeli national security analyst Ronen Bergman, who has close contact with Israeli
intelligence officials, told the Times that most of the long-range surface to surface
missiles given to the Lebanese political group by its allies Iran and Syria have been
transferred to Lebanon despite Israel’s attempts to halt the process."

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http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...o-Lebanon.html
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