Fate/stay night Episode 9 Discussion thread

[idofgrahf]

Thats fine and all but this is not the first time Shirou has said protecting saber, but so far shirou has got his ass handed to him every single time. I have nothing against him ofcourse but being a lound mouth about protecting someone when he can't even protect himself is a bit annoying, some would say nobel but its more along the lines of arrogance. Plus he is being a little sexist, woman/girl's can and do fight and don't see whats wrong with them fighting.

PS The main character is not mean to have special abilities in Elfen lied.
Gunparade March wise, the main lead isn't a weakling either, not the best pilot but he can more then fend for himself at the get go.

[demon_god04]

It probly also has to do with how Shirou was brought up too, he seems to have a pretty chauvanistic view. He emphasises the fact that Saber is a girl alot, saying a girl shouldnt swing a weapon around ect. It seems to be a cultural thing alot of Asian cultures have very clear cut roles for the genders, that are slowly changing but the mentality in still prevalent in some cultures, and we see that in how Shirou acts and speaks to Saber.

[Mr.Hawq]

Originally Posted by idofgrahf

Thats fine and all but this is not the first time Shirou has said protecting saber, but so far shirou has got his ass handed to him every single time. I have nothing against him ofcourse but being a lound mouth about protecting someone when he can't even protect himself is a bit annoying, some would say nobel but its more along the lines of arrogance. Plus he is being a little sexist, woman/girl's can and do fight and don't see whats wrong with them fighting.

PS The main character is not mean to have special abilities in Elfen lied.
Gunparade March wise, the main lead isn't a weakling either, not the best pilot but he can more then fend for himself at the get go.

Well you can just say that, he was brought up by his father, the way he was supposed to be brought up, that's it. I do kind of agree with you with the sexist Yah that is just how his personality is in this show, as you can see after he saw Saber gone, in the middle of the night he rode his bike to chase after her, and bring her back home. It also seems like Shirou has a slight crush on her also.

Elfen Lied- just giving the example of female being stronger than male, but male still loves her, and want's to protect her.

Gunparade- you are right that he can defend himself, but just another example of female at first being stronger than him, but later protects her, thats it.

ofcourse none of the anime's are exactly like the issue right now with Shirou and everything protecting, but there are anime's with similar traits.

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

Interestingly, Shirou doesn't seem to object as much to Rin's role as a combatant. He probably has a more romantic view of Saber. He certainly seems content with her waiting around the house for him while he goes on dangerous adventures. Rin has also demonstrated to him (dramatically!) that she can make mincemeat of him, and that his best defense against Rin is to run like hell. Shirou will be training with Saber soon. Maybe, if Saber makes his experience with Rin look like a walk in the park, his attitude will change somewhat.

[Prodigious]

I also think that he forces Saber to stay out of the fights because he can. I'm sure he doesn't want Rin to get hurt(he did take that stake to the hand remember?), but she is a Master in the Holy Grail War, so he can't do much to stop her. On the other hand, Saber is his servant, so he can literally command her to not fight.

And of course, he's in love with her. If that isn't obvious, nothing is.

[orion]

I gave this episode a 9. If Assassin and Saber had fought more then it would have been a 10.

@ Maids! Maids! Maids!: Yeah, but they are in a truce situation right now with Rin having moved in and took over the household. So, right now she is not a combatant, but more like a surrogate wife.

Shirou was raised that way and Rin explained it the best. Not wanting anyone to get hurt, even if it gets himself killed. So, on the surface it appears to be sexist but is more complicated than that. So, even if Saber wipes the floor with him, he will still want to protect her imo.

I'm watching it for the story, Rin and the Servants (wanna see some great fights!). I like to see strong human female characters. I was interested in Tsukihime first, so I wandered onto Type Moon's site then onto the English fan translation of Type Moon's site and read about all their projects and have been waiting for this anime since it was announced.
I still hope that Planetarian gets to be an anime someday.

[Fishbait]

I love your avatar and sig orion lol.

i'll flat out and say that this episode was good only because of two things:

1. a backshot of rider

2. saber falling after losing those plate armor things

greaaaaaaaaaat scenes, very well done

[lordjuggernaut]

basket fish bait!!! hehe.....
but seriously.... it has everything to do with shirou's incapability to accept saber as a powerful fighter due to her elegance..... ( she is extremely elegant, like how you would call a romantic view of ladies in the 13th century european culture) err..... all that armour and stuff reminds you of some one innit?...
(if fsn has a strong christian basis... why are more than half the heroes from different mythologies, apparently these animators view it as a fashion...)

[lordjuggernaut]

basket fish bait!!! hehe.....
but seriously.... it has everything to do with shirou's incapability to accept saber as a powerful fighter due to her elegance..... ( she is extremely elegant, like how you would call a romantic view of ladies in the 13th century european culture) err..... all that armour and stuff reminds you of some one innit?...
(if fsn has a strong christian basis... why are more than half the heroes from different mythologies, apparently these animators view it as a fashion...)

[lordjuggernaut]

basket fish bait!!! hehe.....
but seriously.... it has everything to do with shirou's incapability to accept saber as a powerful fighter due to her elegance..... ( she is extremely elegant, like how you would call a romantic view of ladies in the 13th century european culture) err..... all that armour and stuff reminds you of some one innit?...
(if fsn has a strong christian basis... why are more than half the heroes from different mythologies, apparently these animators view it as a fashion...)

[lordjuggernaut]

basket fish bait!!! hehe.....
but seriously.... it has everything to do with shirou's incapability to accept saber as a powerful fighter due to her elegance..... ( she is extremely elegant, like how you would call a romantic view of ladies in the 13th century european culture) err..... all that armour and stuff reminds you of some one innit?...
(if fsn has a strong christian basis... why are more than half the heroes from different mythologies, apparently these animators view it as a fashion...)

[Schacko]

hey, cool, quadruple posting! :3

Btw. I found that on the Interweb - on a site most of us know I guess

I lol'd so much after I seen the pic - no spoiler btw. - someone just edited the screeny

[Schacko]

Somethings wrong with the forums - after "posting" I get a blank screen, then try'd reloding the page - so I got a double posting.

[PGilis]

Originally Posted by lordjuggernaut

basket fish bait!!! hehe.....
but seriously.... it has everything to do with shirou's incapability to accept saber as a powerful fighter due to her elegance..... ( she is extremely elegant, like how you would call a romantic view of ladies in the 13th century european culture) err..... all that armour and stuff reminds you of some one innit?...
(if fsn has a strong christian basis... why are more than half the heroes from different mythologies, apparently these animators view it as a fashion...)

Yeah, it seems the real reason why Shirou tries to protect Saber so much is because he's actually in love with her, not because he's a chauvinist. The series gave us many hints for that already:

1* The way he was amazed by her beauty and ellegance (eps.02);
2* How much times he says "Saber, Saber" or spend time thinking about her;
3* He looked hurt at the though Saber could harm innocent people (eps.04);
4* The way he looked to her at the Dojo and when they were going to have a meal (eps.04);
5* He insists too much with the fact "Saber is human" or "she is just a girl";

[Manatsu]

Well I think the romance is still at a budding stage right now. Therefore, I think a stronger arguement is that Shiro feels responsibility for Saber due to their Master and Servant relationship and because he brought her into the war. IMO this sense of responsibility can also be traced back to the way he treats Saber as a human girl and not a mere tool for war.

[Shikimori Kazuki]

*thinks*......wouldnt it be both? that Shirou's will is to fight for justice and not let people around him die?, and because he likes Saber he wants to protect her, he uses this the *Justice* approach to do those actions. But Bascially, he likes Saber and doesnt want her to fight. As a result, he will do the fighting in replace of her if he can.

[PGilis]

Yeah. Anyway, considerating how dumb bakka Shirou is, i think probably he don't know his own feelings yet. It will take several episodes for him finally admit (or understand) he likes her very much.

[idofgrahf]

Fighting for "Justice" and protecting people is good but whats the point if you die basically a dogs death and still not accomplishing your goal? ( which would be the case if shirou is to fight any of the servant at his current level). I think its pretty obvious that you can't protect anything when you are dead, (unless as a gost? like in Bleach?) but then again Shirou isn't the smartest guy around.

My guess is that he doesn't want saber to fight because of the battle with Hercules, Saber was pretty beat up in that one and the sight was gursome as well. While I think Shirou would perfer Ren doesn't fight as well, he is not as insistant because one he can't do anything about it and second, he has yet seen Ren get almost cut in half yet. After all, seeing is believing.

[monster]

Originally Posted by idofgrahf

Fighting for "Justice" and protecting people is good but whats the point if you die basically a dogs death and still not accomplishing your goal? ( which would be the case if shirou is to fight any of the servant at his current level). I think its pretty obvious that you can't protect anything when you are dead, (unless as a gost? like in Bleach?) but then again Shirou isn't the smartest guy around.

Who knows, if he dies a hero, Shirou can become a Servant. Maybe then he'll achieve his dream.

[Sinestra]

i thought ep 9 was pretty good i gave it 9 it would have beena 10 if there had been move fighting between saber and assassin but the fighting that did was pretty good. Shirou just really has problem having Saber fight doesnt he? I see why he acting that way he just the type of guy that doesnt want to see a girl hurt but it cant go on this way he is sooo going to get his ass kicked eventually. but there is no rule that says a master and servant cant fight together which might make for a pretty good advantage. However Rin has shown she can more than handle her self in a fight but he doesnt act the same way with her as he does with saber. I also thnk that Rin has some other motives for moving into the house, plus its going to be intresting to see what happens with all these girls in the house with him. Does anyone have any theories on some Romantic aspects between shirou Rin Saber and Sakura?