AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Discussion > Current Series > Fate/ Series

Notices

View Poll Results: Fate/stay Night Episode 9 Rating
Perfect 10 29 21.80%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 37 27.82%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 44 33.08%
7 out of 10 : Good 13 9.77%
6 out of 10 : Average 8 6.02%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 2 1.50%
Voters: 133. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2006-03-07, 18:02   Link #201
idofgrahf
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: In the fields of elysuim
Send a message via MSN to idofgrahf
Thats fine and all but this is not the first time Shirou has said protecting saber, but so far shirou has got his ass handed to him every single time. I have nothing against him ofcourse but being a lound mouth about protecting someone when he can't even protect himself is a bit annoying, some would say nobel but its more along the lines of arrogance. Plus he is being a little sexist, woman/girl's can and do fight and don't see whats wrong with them fighting.

PS The main character is not mean to have special abilities in Elfen lied.
Gunparade March wise, the main lead isn't a weakling either, not the best pilot but he can more then fend for himself at the get go.
__________________
Even if I go to hell I will live till the end of this world. If the world does not come to an end, then I will destroy it with my own hands!

Lacan/Grahf
idofgrahf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-07, 18:04   Link #202
demon_god04
~Hi -mi- tsu des~
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Canada
Age: 29
It probly also has to do with how Shirou was brought up too, he seems to have a pretty chauvanistic view. He emphasises the fact that Saber is a girl alot, saying a girl shouldnt swing a weapon around ect. It seems to be a cultural thing alot of Asian cultures have very clear cut roles for the genders, that are slowly changing but the mentality in still prevalent in some cultures, and we see that in how Shirou acts and speaks to Saber.
__________________
demon_god04 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-07, 18:19   Link #203
Mr.Hawq
The Hawqman
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ottawa Ontario
Age: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by idofgrahf
Thats fine and all but this is not the first time Shirou has said protecting saber, but so far shirou has got his ass handed to him every single time. I have nothing against him ofcourse but being a lound mouth about protecting someone when he can't even protect himself is a bit annoying, some would say nobel but its more along the lines of arrogance. Plus he is being a little sexist, woman/girl's can and do fight and don't see whats wrong with them fighting.

PS The main character is not mean to have special abilities in Elfen lied.
Gunparade March wise, the main lead isn't a weakling either, not the best pilot but he can more then fend for himself at the get go.

Well you can just say that, he was brought up by his father, the way he was supposed to be brought up, that's it. I do kind of agree with you with the sexist Yah that is just how his personality is in this show, as you can see after he saw Saber gone, in the middle of the night he rode his bike to chase after her, and bring her back home. It also seems like Shirou has a slight crush on her also.

Elfen Lied- just giving the example of female being stronger than male, but male still loves her, and want's to protect her.

Gunparade- you are right that he can defend himself, but just another example of female at first being stronger than him, but later protects her, thats it.

ofcourse none of the anime's are exactly like the issue right now with Shirou and everything protecting, but there are anime's with similar traits.
__________________
Mr.Hawq is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-07, 18:40   Link #204
Maids! Maids! Maids!
Tsuruya Cultist
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: San Francisco, CA
Interestingly, Shirou doesn't seem to object as much to Rin's role as a combatant. He probably has a more romantic view of Saber. He certainly seems content with her waiting around the house for him while he goes on dangerous adventures. Rin has also demonstrated to him (dramatically!) that she can make mincemeat of him, and that his best defense against Rin is to run like hell. Shirou will be training with Saber soon. Maybe, if Saber makes his experience with Rin look like a walk in the park, his attitude will change somewhat.
__________________
Maids! Maids! Maids! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-07, 19:53   Link #205
Prodigious
Level 5 Haruhiist
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA
Age: 27
Send a message via AIM to Prodigious Send a message via MSN to Prodigious Send a message via Yahoo to Prodigious
I also think that he forces Saber to stay out of the fights because he can. I'm sure he doesn't want Rin to get hurt(he did take that stake to the hand remember?), but she is a Master in the Holy Grail War, so he can't do much to stop her. On the other hand, Saber is his servant, so he can literally command her to not fight.

And of course, he's in love with her. If that isn't obvious, nothing is.
__________________
Prodigious is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-07, 20:13   Link #206
orion
Waiting for more taiyuki!
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
I gave this episode a 9. If Assassin and Saber had fought more then it would have been a 10.

@ Maids! Maids! Maids!: Yeah, but they are in a truce situation right now with Rin having moved in and took over the household. So, right now she is not a combatant, but more like a surrogate wife.

Shirou was raised that way and Rin explained it the best. Not wanting anyone to get hurt, even if it gets himself killed. So, on the surface it appears to be sexist but is more complicated than that. So, even if Saber wipes the floor with him, he will still want to protect her imo.

I'm watching it for the story, Rin and the Servants (wanna see some great fights!). I like to see strong human female characters. I was interested in Tsukihime first, so I wandered onto Type Moon's site then onto the English fan translation of Type Moon's site and read about all their projects and have been waiting for this anime since it was announced.
I still hope that Planetarian gets to be an anime someday.
__________________
orion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-07, 22:45   Link #207
Fishbait
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
I love your avatar and sig orion lol.

i'll flat out and say that this episode was good only because of two things:

1. a backshot of rider

2. saber falling after losing those plate armor things

greaaaaaaaaaat scenes, very well done
Fishbait is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-08, 05:11   Link #208
lordjuggernaut
Earl of Yakumon-shire
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
basket fish bait!!! hehe.....
but seriously.... it has everything to do with shirou's incapability to accept saber as a powerful fighter due to her elegance..... ( she is extremely elegant, like how you would call a romantic view of ladies in the 13th century european culture) err..... all that armour and stuff reminds you of some one innit?...
(if fsn has a strong christian basis... why are more than half the heroes from different mythologies, apparently these animators view it as a fashion...)
lordjuggernaut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-08, 05:17   Link #209
lordjuggernaut
Earl of Yakumon-shire
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
basket fish bait!!! hehe.....
but seriously.... it has everything to do with shirou's incapability to accept saber as a powerful fighter due to her elegance..... ( she is extremely elegant, like how you would call a romantic view of ladies in the 13th century european culture) err..... all that armour and stuff reminds you of some one innit?...
(if fsn has a strong christian basis... why are more than half the heroes from different mythologies, apparently these animators view it as a fashion...)
lordjuggernaut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-08, 05:23   Link #210
lordjuggernaut
Earl of Yakumon-shire
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
basket fish bait!!! hehe.....
but seriously.... it has everything to do with shirou's incapability to accept saber as a powerful fighter due to her elegance..... ( she is extremely elegant, like how you would call a romantic view of ladies in the 13th century european culture) err..... all that armour and stuff reminds you of some one innit?...
(if fsn has a strong christian basis... why are more than half the heroes from different mythologies, apparently these animators view it as a fashion...)
lordjuggernaut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-08, 05:23   Link #211
lordjuggernaut
Earl of Yakumon-shire
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
basket fish bait!!! hehe.....
but seriously.... it has everything to do with shirou's incapability to accept saber as a powerful fighter due to her elegance..... ( she is extremely elegant, like how you would call a romantic view of ladies in the 13th century european culture) err..... all that armour and stuff reminds you of some one innit?...
(if fsn has a strong christian basis... why are more than half the heroes from different mythologies, apparently these animators view it as a fashion...)
lordjuggernaut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-08, 07:15   Link #212
Schacko
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
lol

hey, cool, quadruple posting! :3

Btw. I found that on the Interweb - on a site most of us know I guess

I lol'd so much after I seen the pic - no spoiler btw. - someone just edited the screeny

Schacko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-08, 07:15   Link #213
Schacko
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
lol

Somethings wrong with the forums - after "posting" I get a blank screen, then try'd reloding the page - so I got a double posting.
Schacko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-08, 08:36   Link #214
PGilis
B-Gamer and anime otaku
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Send a message via Yahoo to PGilis
Quote:
Originally Posted by lordjuggernaut
basket fish bait!!! hehe.....
but seriously.... it has everything to do with shirou's incapability to accept saber as a powerful fighter due to her elegance..... ( she is extremely elegant, like how you would call a romantic view of ladies in the 13th century european culture) err..... all that armour and stuff reminds you of some one innit?...
(if fsn has a strong christian basis... why are more than half the heroes from different mythologies, apparently these animators view it as a fashion...)
Yeah, it seems the real reason why Shirou tries to protect Saber so much is because he's actually in love with her, not because he's a chauvinist. The series gave us many hints for that already:

1* The way he was amazed by her beauty and ellegance (eps.02);
2* How much times he says "Saber, Saber" or spend time thinking about her;
3* He looked hurt at the though Saber could harm innocent people (eps.04);
4* The way he looked to her at the Dojo and when they were going to have a meal (eps.04);
5* He insists too much with the fact "Saber is human" or "she is just a girl";
PGilis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-08, 12:31   Link #215
Manatsu
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Well I think the romance is still at a budding stage right now. Therefore, I think a stronger arguement is that Shiro feels responsibility for Saber due to their Master and Servant relationship and because he brought her into the war. IMO this sense of responsibility can also be traced back to the way he treats Saber as a human girl and not a mere tool for war.
__________________

Last edited by Manatsu; 2006-03-08 at 12:41.
Manatsu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-08, 15:17   Link #216
Shikimori Kazuki
Angeloid Type β - Nymph
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Canada, Ontario
*thinks*......wouldnt it be both? that Shirou's will is to fight for justice and not let people around him die?, and because he likes Saber he wants to protect her, he uses this the *Justice* approach to do those actions. But Bascially, he likes Saber and doesnt want her to fight. As a result, he will do the fighting in replace of her if he can.
Shikimori Kazuki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-08, 15:37   Link #217
PGilis
B-Gamer and anime otaku
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Send a message via Yahoo to PGilis
Yeah. Anyway, considerating how dumb bakka Shirou is, i think probably he don't know his own feelings yet. It will take several episodes for him finally admit (or understand) he likes her very much.
PGilis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-08, 15:53   Link #218
idofgrahf
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: In the fields of elysuim
Send a message via MSN to idofgrahf
Fighting for "Justice" and protecting people is good but whats the point if you die basically a dogs death and still not accomplishing your goal? ( which would be the case if shirou is to fight any of the servant at his current level). I think its pretty obvious that you can't protect anything when you are dead, (unless as a gost? like in Bleach?) but then again Shirou isn't the smartest guy around.

My guess is that he doesn't want saber to fight because of the battle with Hercules, Saber was pretty beat up in that one and the sight was gursome as well. While I think Shirou would perfer Ren doesn't fight as well, he is not as insistant because one he can't do anything about it and second, he has yet seen Ren get almost cut in half yet. After all, seeing is believing.
__________________
Even if I go to hell I will live till the end of this world. If the world does not come to an end, then I will destroy it with my own hands!

Lacan/Grahf
idofgrahf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-08, 16:00   Link #219
monster
Junior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by idofgrahf
Fighting for "Justice" and protecting people is good but whats the point if you die basically a dogs death and still not accomplishing your goal? ( which would be the case if shirou is to fight any of the servant at his current level). I think its pretty obvious that you can't protect anything when you are dead, (unless as a gost? like in Bleach?) but then again Shirou isn't the smartest guy around.
Who knows, if he dies a hero, Shirou can become a Servant. Maybe then he'll achieve his dream.
monster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2006-03-08, 16:04   Link #220
Sinestra
ショ ン (^^)
*IT Support
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Freedom Guard Ship Amaterasu
Send a message via AIM to Sinestra Send a message via MSN to Sinestra Send a message via Yahoo to Sinestra
i thought ep 9 was pretty good i gave it 9 it would have beena 10 if there had been move fighting between saber and assassin but the fighting that did was pretty good. Shirou just really has problem having Saber fight doesnt he? I see why he acting that way he just the type of guy that doesnt want to see a girl hurt but it cant go on this way he is sooo going to get his ass kicked eventually. but there is no rule that says a master and servant cant fight together which might make for a pretty good advantage. However Rin has shown she can more than handle her self in a fight but he doesnt act the same way with her as he does with saber. I also thnk that Rin has some other motives for moving into the house, plus its going to be intresting to see what happens with all these girls in the house with him. Does anyone have any theories on some Romantic aspects between shirou Rin Saber and Sakura?
__________________
Sinestra is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:52.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.