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Old 2013-12-29, 12:28   Link #1601
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Yeah.

X is the Dragon/Fire black Charizard.

Y is the Fire/Flying Orange Charizard.

Y is more useful I say because of Drought.
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Old 2013-12-29, 14:19   Link #1602
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Old 2013-12-29, 16:00   Link #1603
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Yeah.

X is the Dragon/Fire black Charizard.

Y is the Fire/Flying Orange Charizard.

Y is more useful I say because of Drought.
Drought lasts only 5 turns.

Meanwhile, X's Tough Claws last forever. It can also take advantage of Dragon Dance or Swords Dance, and has a better Attack stat and typing to better take advantage of its movepool.
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Old 2013-12-29, 16:50   Link #1604
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Anybody manage to get a chikorita? I have tododile and cyndaquil
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Old 2013-12-29, 19:02   Link #1605
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Drought lasts only 5 turns.

Meanwhile, X's Tough Claws last forever. It can also take advantage of Dragon Dance or Swords Dance, and has a better Attack stat and typing to better take advantage of its movepool.
My Charizard Y has a dragon move, Charizard X is a dragon and will be super effected. Mine wont

Charizard Y >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> X
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Old 2013-12-29, 19:07   Link #1606
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Anybody manage to get a chikorita? I have tododile and cyndaquil
Sorry, gave it away for a female tynamo.

I have a truckload of adamant mudkips, though. As well as a few modest snivys with Glare.
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Old 2013-12-29, 19:21   Link #1607
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You didn't breed it ???
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Old 2013-12-29, 19:22   Link #1608
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What is with trying to hit my Cinccino with Ghost moves ?
Is it so rare that most don`t know its typing ?
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Old 2013-12-29, 19:41   Link #1609
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My Charizard Y has a dragon move, Charizard X is a dragon and will be super effected. Mine wont

Charizard Y >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> X
Charizard X uses Rock Slide! It's super effective!

Charizard Y has fainted!
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Old 2013-12-29, 19:45   Link #1610
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You didn't breed it ???
Sorry, but no. I'll get another one eventually, but right now I have many other pokemon to breed, including Darmanitan and the eevelutions.
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Old 2013-12-29, 20:00   Link #1611
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Drought lasts only 5 turns.
If he stays in more than 5 turns, your opponent sucks and you don't need it anyway.

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Charizard X uses Rock Slide! It's super effective!

Charizard Y has fainted!
Pretty awful Charizard X you got there, packing a rock move.
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Old 2013-12-29, 20:26   Link #1612
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Charizard X uses Rock Slide! It's super effective!

Charizard Y has fainted!
I'd wonder why Charizard X would have Rock Slide, since it doesn't gain Tough Claws bonus and Earthquake/Brick Break provide much better coverage. Then again, I saw one with Outrage/DD/Flareblitz/Fly.
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Old 2013-12-29, 20:51   Link #1613
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I'd wonder why Charizard X would have Rock Slide, since it doesn't gain Tough Claws bonus and Earthquake/Brick Break provide much better coverage. Then again, I saw one with Outrage/DD/Flareblitz/Fly.
Probably an in-game Fly user. I often use my Scizor in online battles, but I also use it as my main catch helper in-game, so it's going back and forth between Aerial Ace and False Swipe, and it is a pain, so of course, I've forgotten to change it more than once.
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Old 2013-12-29, 22:09   Link #1614
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Pretty awful Charizard X you got there, packing a rock move.
You don't say.

Do you expect me to take a rebuttal that essentially amounts to "my Charizard can beat your Charizard!" seriously?
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Old 2013-12-29, 23:44   Link #1615
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Drought lasts only 5 turns.

Meanwhile, X's Tough Claws last forever. It can also take advantage of Dragon Dance or Swords Dance, and has a better Attack stat and typing to better take advantage of its movepool.
In Rated Battles in X/Y you only take like 3 Pokemon in 1 vs 1 battles. Drought lasts more than long enough in Nintendo's system due to less Pokemon being around.
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Old 2013-12-30, 00:12   Link #1616
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You don't say.

Do you expect me to take a rebuttal that essentially amounts to "my Charizard can beat your Charizard!" seriously?
No, I'd expect a coherent argument that supports the use of Rock Slide over any of the other standard Earthquake, Brick Break, Thunder Punch, or Roost options. The only thing it seems to offer is literally "my Charizard can beat your Charizard", whereas each of the other 4 are better in every other scenario.
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Old 2013-12-30, 02:39   Link #1617
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Anybody manage to get a chikorita? I have tododile and cyndaquil
Isn't PokeBank still stopped on the e-shop?
Speaking of which, I kind of wish they just didn't let us bring the old Pokemon... Haa... Heatran (Toxic Protect)... Latios (Draco Meteor Draco Meteor Draco Meteor)... Dragonite with Extremespeed... Uwaa....---!

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No, I'd expect a coherent argument that supports the use of Rock Slide over any of the other standard Earthquake, Brick Break, Thunder Punch, or Roost options. The only thing it seems to offer is literally "my Charizard can beat your Charizard", whereas each of the other 4 are better in every other scenario.
Well, I don't think Roost is an option, since Mega-ing Charizard means it is offensive.
Also, Rock Slide is not completely invalid, as it is the most efficient way to hit certain typing, such as Fire/Flying. Also, there are Fire Pokemon that use Balloon.
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Old 2013-12-30, 10:19   Link #1618
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Well, I don't think Roost is an option, since Mega-ing Charizard means it is offensive.
It can be offensive without being brittle. MegaCharizard is one bulky mother effer. One of his better movesets is Dragon Claw/Fire Blitz (or Flare blitz... whichever the strong one is)/Will o Wisp/Roost, with an appropriate EV spread.

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Also, Rock Slide is not completely invalid, as it is the most efficient way to hit certain typing, such as Fire/Flying. Also, there are Fire Pokemon that use Balloon.
So basically you can hit other Charizards? And the rare Arcanine that either Intimidated you, thus allowing Fire Blitz to do more damage than Rock Slide, or didn't and thus Dragon Claw is still a perfectly viable move that doesn't screw up your matchups against everything else? The only other highly used Fire types that you'd really need coverage for are neutral to rock anyway (ie: Heatran).
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Old 2013-12-30, 10:36   Link #1619
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Isn't PokeBank still stopped on the e-shop?
Speaking of which, I kind of wish they just didn't let us bring the old Pokemon... Haa... Heatran (Toxic Protect)... Latios (Draco Meteor Draco Meteor Draco Meteor)... Dragonite with Extremespeed... Uwaa....---!
The japanese transfered their pokemon before the bank went down, so now all the starters are up for grabs. As a matter of fact, I have a female treecko with unburden and an adamant turtwig with battle armor. Still missing a piplup with defiant, though.
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Old 2013-12-30, 23:34   Link #1620
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So basically you can hit other Charizards?
And Moltres and Tallonflame. Don't think Moltres is used anymore than Charizard, but that damn Tallonflame is everywhere (and I enjoy sending my Tyranitar against its Brave Bird and by laying Stealth Rock, Brave Bird Recoil + BB Life Orb + Sand + U-Turn Life Orb will allow it to faint the next time it comes out).

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And the rare Arcanine that either Intimidated you, thus allowing Fire Blitz to do more damage than Rock Slide, or didn't and thus Dragon Claw is still a perfectly viable move that doesn't screw up your matchups against everything else? The only other highly used Fire types that you'd really need coverage for are neutral to rock anyway (ie: Heatran).
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Thus? By using thus, you are implying that Intimidate somehow only affects Rock Slide and not Blitz.
I never said Dragon Claw was not viable.
And I didn't mention Heatran because Brick Break was mentioned earlier.
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