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Old 2014-05-27, 04:08   Link #721
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Herp derp derpalicious, from wiki:
the article you posted also "says":
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Ultraviolet (UV) light is electromagnetic radiation with a wavelength shorter than that of visible light, but longer than X-rays, that is, in the range between 400 nm and 100 nm, corresponding to photon energies from 3 eV to 124 eV. It is so-named because the spectrum consists of electromagnetic waves with frequencies higher than those that humans identify as the color violet. These frequencies are invisible to most humans except those with aphakia. Near-UV is visible to a number of insects and birds.
with "shorter than visible light" they mean that the values of uv-rays are in a place where the human eye cant recognize them, they are for us invisible...
honey bees or bees in general can (or only) see the uv rays... but not the human eye...

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And before you say UV rays travel at different speed than visible light:
+1 for you

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To sum it up: (UV rays = light = visible light) = electromagnetic radiation.
like i said, uv rays != visible light, maybe it is possible to say that uv rays are a part of light but not the same (this depends on the defintion of light)

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Oh I know, you just discounted it as large scale attack and downplayed it by the simple fact that Accel blocked it in wwm, something that happens often and he did quite easily. Yup got it.
somehow i get the feeling that you either try to ignore me or you really mean what you post...
or you misunderstood me
i hope it is the latter

i already said why i dont count it (in this case, where we discuss about the possibility of accel turning invisible and still fighting like always), here:
i dont count this case because he stopped it in his white wing mode which is not his usual way of fighting (like it isnt the usual way of touma to fight with IT)

if he starts to fight with his wings all the time than i will gladly accept it but for now:
he used his wings (black or white) only fife times:
vs kihara (brain dead)
vs kakine (berserk)
vs touma (insane)
vs lsdap telesma bomb (+ halo) (until now, his maximum mode)
vs touma (minus the halo)
i dont know why he used his white wings in his fight agaisnt touma but i think that kamachi simply wanted to let the fight look more incredible...

it is similar with toumas IT:
vs izzard
vs mikoto
vs fiamma
vs othinus
it isnt their usual way to fight, touma doesnt sever his right hand and use IT-ex-machina the whole time, the same with accel...

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Look up the refractive index of air. Use the formula for refractive index to get LS in atmosphere. And fog is not air, its more water particles floating in air. Or are you going to bring up smog, steam, smoke, nitrogen, etc.?
i dont know why but i can feel a small bit of anger towards me
nevermind, right, fog is not air but it still "slows down" the light...
and thanks for the article, interesting, i didnt thought that temperature can influence light

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Or there's no point in for him in doing so.
-1 point
their was, one of the biggest examples:
vs kihara

accel holds the idiot ball and isnt using a gun, he relies on his ability -> turns himself invisible -> kihara tries to punch -> BBOOOMMM!! -> kihara dead
or the part where Worst shot at him, even if he didnt wanted to kill her, he could easily win if he knocked her unconsciouss (but he was already on the edge of breaking down )
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Old 2014-05-27, 04:41   Link #722
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the article you posted also "says":


with "shorter than visible light" they mean that the values of uv-rays are in a place where the human eye cant recognize them, they are for us invisible...
honey bees or bees in general can (or only) see the uv rays... but not the human eye...


+1 for you



like i said, uv rays != visible light, maybe it is possible to say that uv rays are a part of light but not the same (this depends on the defintion of light)



somehow i get the feeling that you either try to ignore me or you really mean what you post...
or you misunderstood me
i hope it is the latter

i already said why i dont count it (in this case, where we discuss about the possibility of accel turning invisible and still fighting like always), here:
i dont count this case because he stopped it in his white wing mode which is not his usual way of fighting (like it isnt the usual way of touma to fight with IT)

if he starts to fight with his wings all the time than i will gladly accept it but for now:
he used his wings (black or white) only fife times:
vs kihara (brain dead)
vs kakine (berserk)
vs touma (insane)
vs lsdap telesma bomb (+ halo) (until now, his maximum mode)
vs touma (minus the halo)
i dont know why he used his white wings in his fight agaisnt touma but i think that kamachi simply wanted to let the fight look more incredible...

it is similar with toumas IT:
vs izzard
vs mikoto
vs fiamma
vs othinus
it isnt their usual way to fight, touma doesnt sever his right hand and use IT-ex-machina the whole time, the same with accel...



i dont know why but i can feel a small bit of anger towards me
nevermind, right, fog is not air but it still "slows down" the light...
and thanks for the article, interesting, i didnt thought that temperature can influence light


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their was, one of the biggest examples:
vs kihara

accel holds the idiot ball and isnt using a gun, he relies on his ability -> turns himself invisible -> kihara tries to punch -> BBOOOMMM!! -> kihara dead
or the part where Worst shot at him, even if he didnt wanted to kill her, he could easily win if he knocked her unconsciouss (but he was already on the edge of breaking down )
To be fair it wouldn't be an idiot ball since he didn't really need to be creative with his powers to win against everyone he fought. One of the things I really enjoy in this series is that Kamachi is fully aware of the idea that people who have powerful abilities are only as strong as how they decide to use them to win. If you beat a lot of people easily with your ability since they can't figure out how to get around it, then you don't need to come up with anything better, especially if you haven't ever lost and can't understand how broad of a world it is. This is why Accelerator had relied on a few fighting techniques or patterns to win. You could even say that the more powerful your ability is, the less creative you are with it, since you don't need to be creative at all with it to win. On the other hand, with a weaker but still useful ability, you need to explore all of the tricks that accompany it in order to make it fully useful all of the time I.e. Misaka and Touma. But since Accelerator started fighting people who were actually powerful and resourceful with their powers, he was forced to become much more creative and a lot stronger as a result. That's partially how I see it. Given that the Accel manga takes place apparently between the sisters arc and the remnant arc, at least at the beginning, I believe he might use this ability there before he becomes more powerful through other means...
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Old 2014-05-27, 06:44   Link #723
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with "shorter than visible light" they mean that the values of uv-rays are in a place where the human eye cant recognize them, they are for us invisible...
honey bees or bees in general can (or only) see the uv rays... but not the human eye...
Well duh, human eyes can't perceive the different wavelengths of light. That's why we need to use prism in order to visibly distinguish them. UV's frequency is too low for human eyes to perceive, it is simply absorbed in the cornea and doesn't hit or retinas. The only reason why insects can perceive them is because they have photon absorption mechanism in their eyes.
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+1 for you
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like i said, uv rays != visible light, maybe it is possible to say that uv rays are a part of light but not the same (this depends on the defintion of light)
"Maybe it is possible it is part of light"? It is not part of light, it is a spectrum of light, one of the seven different spectrums of light. And light is a simplified term for visible light.
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somehow i get the feeling that you either try to ignore me or you really mean what you post...
or you misunderstood me
i hope it is the latter
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Herp derp. I cited Fiamma's telesma attack and Gabriel's Sweep as examples of large scale attacks, i.e., attacks that is meant to affect a large area in addition of its intended target.
You said you didn't consider it as a large scale attack for the simple fact that it was blocked by Accel, which surprised me and which is the reason I took issue with your statement. It is as if you say a bomb that failed to destroy its durable target disqualifies it as a bomb for failing its objective. Or, to give other examples in-verse, AC's laser satellites. One of them, Altair-2, is designed to fire a concentrated beam of radiation in its target area, but GROUP destroyed its ground control antenna, which prevented BLOCK from using it. Now, does the satellite's laser no longer qualifies as large scale attack? Or Radiosonde Castle, it failed to crash into AC, thus failing its purpose of demolishing said city, does this disqualify it as large scale attack?
And now, you bring up all this red herrings about the usual fighting methods of Touma and Accelerator, for no apparent reason, since the issue we were discussing are attacks that qualify as large scale attacks.
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i dont know why but i can feel a small bit of anger towards me
nevermind, right, fog is not air but it still "slows down" the light...
and thanks for the article, interesting, i didnt thought that temperature can influence light
....
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-1 point
their was, one of the biggest examples:
vs kihara

accel holds the idiot ball and isnt using a gun, he relies on his ability -> turns himself invisible -> kihara tries to punch -> BBOOOMMM!! -> kihara dead
or the part where Worst shot at him, even if he didnt wanted to kill her, he could easily win if he knocked her unconsciouss (but he was already on the edge of breaking down )
Refer to dniv's statement.
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Old 2014-05-27, 07:09   Link #724
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so...finally the misunderstandings are cleared
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Old 2014-05-27, 08:53   Link #725
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This is what we were talking about:
Spoiler for Light and laser:

Or something related to shown image.
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Old 2014-05-27, 10:50   Link #726
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@LevelSeven
This is what we were talking about:
Spoiler for Light and laser:

Or something related to shown image.

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Old 2014-08-02, 12:42   Link #727
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