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Old 2014-08-27, 11:57   Link #361
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According to a recent interview with the director Aoki who seems to have taken over the concept mantle of the show there's supposed to be some huge battle in the final episode and they're currently working on the concept for the second cour where the meaning of the Zero in the title is supposed to be revealed. He also says he basically came up with this idea of Real vs. Super Robot and his main inspirations are Gundam, Macross, Patlabor for Real Robots (Earth) and Zeorymer of The Heavens for Super Robots (Mars). Apparently also they originally wanted to do a story about an alien invasion but decided to make it a story about Mars vs. Earth instead because that would be too much like a fantasy story in his eyes. Also he says they specifically wanted to focus on the idea of a non hot blooded hero character for mecha when designing Inaho and indeed drew influence from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure as some have suspected with it's whole analyze the gimmick enemy and then find and exploit it's weakness for the victory. No real talk about characters and politics though and what the deal is there, which sort of doesn't come as a surprise.

I wonder how much of Vers culture carried over from this original concept where they were supposed to be aliens because obviously in terms of their behavior they don't seem very human. It could also explain why some of the timeline stuff is a little weird with regard to the discoveries and founding of Vers. It also strikes me they did a lot of focusing on what they were trying to make the show not like and not too much on what they wanted to define the show as specifically and where to take the story. The whole "we're working to develop a sequel right now (laughs) part is a little damning and concerning. Perhaps they are trying to follow the Valvrave route where they look at what people responded to the most and try to retool things to respond to that. There's very little talk in the interview about characters and motivations themselves and a lot more about the concept behind the robots, the way they're depicted and why. The Real vs. Super Robot idea sounds like something out of the Super Robot Wars series of games, but I don't really think it's worked so far in terms of depicting war and conflict cause it just feels so small scale when you have these skirmishes

It's interesting to learn where some of these ideas are coming from get confirmed and a lot of my theories pretty much get blown up because it turns out they apparently haven't thought things through nearly as far as I had anticipated and really only have decided everything up to the end of the current cour plot/concept wise apparently. Other than that not much comes as a surprise, but I wouldn't have called Zeorymer as the inspiration for Vers. To me it comes from all kinds of places though from Mazinger Z (Rocket Punch Robot) to Saazbaum's mech which pretty much looks like an eviler Gaogaigar without the lion in it's chest. Also with regard to the whole coming up with a concept for the second cour thing, if indeed they are observing responses to the first cour ala Valvrave I would expect Slaine's screen time and degree of focus to change tremendously in his favor and Inaho's role to diminish based on popular responses in both English and Japanese speaking communities.
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Old 2014-08-27, 16:04   Link #362
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Thanks, that's interesting. Not surprised at all by the Jojo inspiration and having watched the Zeroymer OVA recently, perhaps it inspired the Martian Kataphrakts visually (Vlad's Argyre kinda reminds me of Zeorymer, or maybe I'm imagining things). The enemies attacking 1 on 1, how they glamorise their Kataphrakts and their highly specialised weapons also kinda remind me of Zeorymer, though yeah, Zeorymer wouldn't have been the first thing on my mind.
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Old 2014-08-28, 00:06   Link #363
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Old 2014-08-28, 00:14   Link #364
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And i thought people in this show won't take a shower lol

And Nilokeras is back,and seems it's not flashback so guess someone gonna use it(Slaine?)
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Old 2014-08-28, 00:17   Link #365
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Old 2014-08-28, 00:24   Link #366
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I'm guessing that either Saazbaum has affected Slaine's memories, or he's manipulated Slaine into working with him and that he will give Slaine Trillram's restored Nilokeras, which will give at least one of our MCs a working superweapon. And I have a feeling that with Slaine having worked and seen Inaho work before, he won't be taken down as easily as Trillram was.

Also, it looks like it will be a time of remembrance for everybody as Rayet, Marito, and Darzana seem to all be remembering the past.

I really don't care about Asseylum wearing a school uniform. It has no real bearing to the plot, so I really don't care.
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Old 2014-08-28, 00:37   Link #367
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I'm guessing that either Saazbaum has affected Slaine's memories, or he's manipulated Slaine into working with him and that he will give Slaine Trillram's restored Nilokeras, which will give at least one of our MCs a working superweapon. And I have a feeling that with Slaine having worked and seen Inaho work before, he won't be taken down as easily as Trillram was.
I think Nilokeras is probably Marito's recollection. We already saw a flashback in the preview and Marito angstying (again). There's no way Slaine will move so soon after the beating he received. He'll probably be sedated for an episode or two.

Sky Carrier > Nilokeras for Slaine.
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Old 2014-08-28, 00:42   Link #368
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I'm guessing that either Saazbaum has affected Slaine's memories, or he's manipulated Slaine into working with him and that he will give Slaine Trillram's restored Nilokeras, which will give at least one of our MCs a working superweapon. And I have a feeling that with Slaine having worked and seen Inaho work before, he won't be taken down as easily as Trillram was.

Also, it looks like it will be a time of remembrance for everybody as Rayet, Marito, and Darzana seem to all be remembering the past.

I really don't care about Asseylum wearing a school uniform. It has no real bearing to the plot, so I really don't care.
If anything, Asseylum in a school uniform proves that characters in this series actually change clothes. That's a pretty groundbreaking thing for an anime

Either that or they want her to pass off as another student because while the circle of people who know who she is has increased, it's still small enough to be managed.

That will most likely change when they reach UE HQ; but for the moment they've avoided potential chaos on the ship, after all not everyone is as likely to go full retard at the sight of a very beautiful martian princess like Calm.
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Old 2014-08-28, 00:54   Link #369
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I think Nilokeras is probably Marito's recollection. We already saw a flashback in the preview and Marito angstying (again). There's no way Slaine will move so soon after the beating he received. He'll probably be sedated for an episode or two.

Sky Carrier > Nilokeras for Slaine.
The only issue with that is if you look at the setting behind Nilokeras, it doesn't look like the sky did when Marito fought him. When he and his platoon fought Trillram, the sky was grey and stormy. If you look at the shot this time, it's sunny out there.

Now, perhaps this is a memory from when they were trying to get away in the refugee boat, but Marito wasn't really "in" that fight technically.

Also, Slaine looks to be moving fine in this episode, what with pointing that butter knife at Saazbaum's throat and the rocking of that chair. He probably just got healed with the power of "Martian healing medical technology".

And really, the sky carriers only really okay when he has someone work with him. It's still an inferior vehicle next to the kataphrackts. Clam (mr. "I failed my kat piloting class") was able to down it, just using a trainer. Imagine what a martian mech with a competent pilot could do?

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If anything, Asseylum in a school uniform proves that characters in this series actually change clothes. That's a pretty groundbreaking thing for an anime

Either that or they want her to pass off as another student because while the circle of people who know who she is has increased, it's still small enough to be managed.

That will most likely change when they reach UE HQ; but for the moment they've avoided potential chaos on the ship, after all not everyone is as likely to go full retard at the sight of a very beautiful martian princess like Calm.
True, but if they wanted to pass her off as a student, shouldn't they have given her a female uniform? She's obviously wearing one of the boy's.
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Old 2014-08-28, 01:36   Link #370
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True, but if they wanted to pass her off as a student, shouldn't they have given her a female uniform? She's obviously wearing one of the boy's.
No. I thinks it's a female one. I think the tie just makes it seem like a male one. If you compare male and female blazer's collar, the male ones are longer and end at near the stomach, whereas the female ones end at (or below) the chest.

For comparison: http://imgur.com/9WvPWZo
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Old 2014-08-28, 01:50   Link #371
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No. I thinks it's a female one. I think the tie just makes it seem like a male one. If you compare male and female blazer's collar, the male ones are longer and end at near the stomach, whereas the female ones end at (or below) the chest.

For comparison: http://imgur.com/9WvPWZo
It's the tie that really throws it off. It's obviously for a male Japanese student and not a female. Even when females have the long ties, they are usually thinner and shaped differently. Even with the length of the lapels of the blazer, it's hard to tell. And where exactly did she get that uniform? None of the kids had anything with them but what they were wearing. Did she just steal one of the student's uniforms while they're wearing their army uniform? Considering her closer relationships and those she's charmed, I'm going to say she got it from Inaho or Calm.
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Old 2014-08-28, 01:58   Link #372
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It's the tie that really throws it off. It's obviously for a male Japanese student and not a female. Even when females have the long ties, they are usually thinner and shaped differently. Even with the length of the lapels of the blazer, it's hard to tell. And where exactly did she get that uniform? None of the kids had anything with them but what they were wearing. Did she just steal one of the student's uniforms while they're wearing their army uniform? Considering her closer relationships and those she's charmed, I'm going to say she got it from Inaho or Calm.
She's wearing Okisuke's spare uniform.
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Old 2014-08-28, 02:20   Link #373
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And really, the sky carriers only really okay when he has someone work with him. It's still an inferior vehicle next to the kataphrackts. Clam (mr. "I failed my kat piloting class") was able to down it, just using a trainer. Imagine what a martian mech with a competent pilot could do?
IIRC Calm managed to completely miss the thing with his machine gun and it was Inko who actually shot it with the RPG/missile.

Wonder if that's a real uniform or just another holographic clothing illusion

It'd be hilarious if Saazbaum died by butter knife next episode, too bad there's no way that would ever happen.
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Old 2014-08-28, 02:24   Link #374
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She's wearing Okisuke's spare uniform.
That.. would be in bad taste, I think.

But for some reason I can see Inaho giving it to her.
Either because he's super pragmatical about it...
or because it's a part of his mind games.. dun dun DUN
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Zeorymer of The Heavens for Super Robots (Mars).
Welp. Slaine will indeed be Doctor Troyard's experiment unlocking Super Aldnoah with a Split Personality? Jokes aside, I don't see each side inspiration. Just Patlabor for more 'real robots' (which was obvious from the uniforms too) and Zeorymer as "super robots". The rest seems to be mecha inspiration in general.

Zeorymer and classic Gundam (see using UC pic not AU) seem to be in general the biggest inspiration because they were mentioned twice at least.
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Old 2014-08-28, 04:26   Link #376
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If anything, Asseylum in a school uniform proves that characters in this series actually change clothes. That's a pretty groundbreaking thing for an anime
Earlier mecha series already beat them to it . One easy example would be that Liu Mei girl from Gundam 00 who almost always wear different outfits whenever she appears on-screen.

PS: if you stepped outside of fantasy-shounen and mecha genre, the people in anime actually changes clothes. Heck, even Kurosaki Ichigo (the MC of Bleach) changes his clothes when the plot allowed him to live his everyday life on earth, not fighting enemies nor living in other worlds.
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Old 2014-08-28, 05:10   Link #377
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Welp. Slaine will indeed be Doctor Troyard's experiment unlocking Super Aldnoah with a Split Personality? Jokes aside, I don't see each side inspiration. Just Patlabor for more 'real robots' (which was obvious from the uniforms too) and Zeorymer as "super robots". The rest seems to be mecha inspiration in general.

Zeorymer and classic Gundam (see using UC pic not AU) seem to be in general the biggest inspiration because they were mentioned twice at least.
To be precise, I think that part doesn't specifically mention what is inspiration for the Earth side and the Mars side, though the concept proposed by Takayama is about how "Super Robots from Mars are defeated by the real robots from Earth."

But that question was about which other mecha series Aoki likes besides Zeorymer. So he talks about how he likes Gundam, Macross and Patlabor because their robots seem like they could be real. Aoki then notes that the way Zeorymer's robots are drawn gives off a similar 'real' feeling, even though they are actually 'super robots'.

The difference in design characteristics are that the Earth side Kats are like industrial robots, with solid straight lines, whilst the Mars ones have a lot of curved lines. It's not clear from this interview if Zeorymer is being used as inspiration for both sides, or for just the Mars side (going by google image search, its robots designs aren't particularly curvy...)...

Any other interviews on this type of thing? (I bet the ArchiveZ book would make it clear...)
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Old 2014-08-28, 05:38   Link #378
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so what are the chances that Slaine will get a brainwash? It's already been foreshadowed that he'll be Inaho's enemy (they remind me of lelouch and suzaku, because they're both so adjusted to each other when they fight together, but in terms of personality and opinions they are opposites).

I wonder if Slaine (or Inaho for that matter) ends up with an Aldnoah Powered Kataphrakt (his father is an important researcher after all).

Also, how reliable is it that Dioscuria (awesome name btw) finished off count Cruhteo?
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To be precise, I think that part doesn't specifically mention what is inspiration for the Earth side and the Mars side, though the concept proposed by Takayama is about how "Super Robots from Mars are defeated by the real robots from Earth."
Yes, that's what I mean. But I can see what Dahm's extrapolation (because of Takayama's comment as basis of the show, at least the first cour!) was with Patlabor in particular (because of the uniforms too I mentioned them, right? They are orange-ish in Patlabor but they are similar to what Earth forces wear, I mean the vest-thing).
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Old 2014-08-28, 08:11   Link #380
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More like, I wonder if Asseylum will no longer change to her short hair disguise o3o;
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