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Old 2006-05-03, 22:48   Link #301
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Identification of Shimoun composition each Craft in "Choir-the Tempest"

I renewal Simoun Airframe & World fan page in Compensatory holiday in JAPAN " Constitution Day ".http://www.geocities.jp/emiri_0623/simoun02-e1.htm
Orijinal -Source is Japanese"Simoun Wikipedia page"http://dempa-kitaa.hp.infoseek.co.jp....cgi?FrontPage






We, the Gull-Force of "Argentum air corps", we code-nemed the Shimoun each craft in ”Choir the Tempest” was examined, by the our Argenum fighter Aurigae (Gram change of case "Auriga").

Please caution to "Round-tail " , that auriga is very dangerous to us , called " The ruler of Slaughter " or " Sibylla(=Maiden) of the hell "!!
We rumored the name is "Dominūra".

Tranlater yui note: They were mis-understood the real-name of "Ace-Sibylla" by the False-information of Simulacrum- Intelligence & Information control part

Now I note that each craft code-name
  1. "Long-hone" ・・・ The craft only for "The Regena ". Neviril & Amuria pair boards in Ep.1 
  2. "Beard. " ・・・ Paraietta / Caim pair boards .
  3. "Dorsal fin. "・・・Alti / Floe pair boards.
  4. "Pair-hone " ・・・ Rōdoreamon’s Special machine, "Sagitta" is changed each time after Erii(/Erifu) reaved.
  5. "Round-tail " ・・・ Because of retired " PAL "(Auriga & Sagitta pair) in Episode 1 Air-combat, Thereafter," Aael " and "Sagetta" that she chose person boards it.
  6. "Twin-tail" ・・・ It is shot down by Episode-1, and the craft repaired and come back for Rimone / Dominura pair boards it by episode 5.




Translater yui note: By the way, The "Dorsal fin. " appeard on the screen (Though "Pair-hone " had to have done Ri Maajon at the beginning of Episode.5.)

The Simoun craft arnament gun of "Round-tail " where it must be twin guns even by Episode4 is single-gunnedte, and the confusion on the site side of the setting is seen.
(The latter is thought to unload Single-gun and to have lightened the machine gun for the reduction of the inertia-control mass if it friendly interprets it. )


By the way, Anime lylic forum released translation opening theme song!
" That Which Is Beautiful Is Good" (Utsukushi Kereba Sore de Ii) by Chiaki Ishikawa

Do you think their translate quality about that lylics?
http://www.animelyrics.com/forum/top...w.pl?tid=23406


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Old 2006-05-04, 10:17   Link #302
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And I have a suggestion for the spelling of Guragief's name: Guraghief. In this episode, Anubituf says it, and the "g" is clearly hard, not soft like a "j". My earlier mistake. I've changed it on my characters page.
I like the look of that. Shall change it in ANN, thanks!

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Dominura is played by Yukana, the VA who was Tessa in all the FMP series, and also played Eri in this one.
Didn't recognize her again!

Spoiler for episode 5:
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Old 2006-05-04, 11:27   Link #303
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Indeed... do the flight suits only work in the pool? If they work outside of it, why not wear them on actual missions as a substitute for a parachute? If the pool is the only place where they work, shouldn't there be a safety net on the bottom to prevent a Sibylla from wandering out of it and plummeting to her death? For that matter, shouldn't there be one anyway, in case a spectator at the pool's edge falls in?
I think this "Pool" secret, is a wind upstream tube. its the same as Tsunamis... (well i mean the Wind ones).above warm air, and on the bottom cold air.. voila.. artifical Tsunami aistream. perhaps this suits works as "littel" parasuits.....

But. when others are watching from above, Thier hair should go wild cause of the Airstream jet, but dosent.... Well.. i dont have other explation if you wanna compare the pool to earth physics...

episode 05? damm, i miss something....

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Old 2006-05-04, 11:45   Link #304
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Thier hair should go wild cause of the Airstream jet, but dosent....
Actually it does, at least in episode five. If it was just an air stream how do the characters to dive agaisnt the flow of air so easily?

BTW, it occured to me that this whole training process, gradual introduction of characters, psychological traumas, great music and atmosphere and so on really reminds me of Gunslinger Girl.
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Old 2006-05-04, 13:47   Link #305
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I've only seen 'til episode two (I don't understand Japanese, so I don't watch the raw versions) and it did spike my curiosity. Although that gender-switching thing makes me go "wtf".

I sure want to see more. You guys understand Japanese? 'Cause many of you have even seen episode five! =P

Thanks in advance.
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Old 2006-05-04, 17:57   Link #306
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I sure want to see more.
If you go back in this thread a little ways, there are detailed synopses of episodes 3 and 4 that are meant to give you enough detail to watch the raws even if you don't know any Japanese, and still understand what's going on. Or at least that's the intent; if there's anything missing, please let me know.

I'm working on the one for episode 5 in another window....

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You guys understand Japanese? 'Cause many of you have even seen episode five! =P
Yui-san is a native speaker. At least one other forum member lives in Japan, and some of the others have had formal Japanese training. I've never actually taken any Japanese classes, but I've watched a lot of subtitled anime, and I picked up some of the language that way, which I'm now supplementing with textbooks. (Doing the synopses is turning out to be a very good learning exercise.)
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Old 2006-05-04, 18:03   Link #307
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Huh? There's a railing there; in one scene, Neville and Paraietta lean against the railings on opposite sides and stare out at the scenery.
I was refering to this:
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Old 2006-05-04, 19:13   Link #308
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I was refering to this:
That's the port flight deck, not the forward observation platform. It would be hard to put a railing around the flight deck and still have it function... but that's a good point; wouldn't it be rather dangerous to be out on the flight deck at all if the ship were rolling and pitching due to enemy fire, evasive maneuvers, or a storm?
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Old 2006-05-04, 22:45   Link #309
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Shimoun Fan-art The Contribution Bulletin board open!

Regulations
  1. Fan art of making concerning "Shimoun" by yourself or coopolate with your friends. (Include it in C.G Collage okay).
  2. The name of the character or airframe is described to comment of your art.
  3. The reprint from Comic Yurihime or anime "Shimoun" is not good. Your orijinal Fan art is need for webmistress!
  4. Permit it when you contribute fan art drawing of the other people ....to the the fan-artist herself / himself.

Shimoun Fan-art post-contribution Bulletin board open!
in Japanese wiki page!

Adress is http://www.degitalscope.com/~mbspro/...oun/index.html

- Contribution method-
  1. If you pushed " 投稿(=Contribute)" of " お絵描きページ(= Fan art post contribute board ) " , the page is changed
    " 投稿画像確認(=Contribution image confirmation)"
  2. "あなたの描いた絵の登録が成功し,添付が完了しました。"(=The registration of the picture that you drew succeeded and appending was completed.)
  3. "画面内上部の「閉じる」リンクにて、画面を閉じた後「投稿する」ボタンで投稿して下さい。(=Pleas e contribute with "Contribute" button in "Shut" link of the upper part in the screen after shutting the screen. "



First post is "Nevirill" by fan-artist Ms. Lemon-Kayama(Hundle name)

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Old 2006-05-04, 22:54   Link #310
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Shimoun Fan art post Bulletin board open!

Regulations
  1. Fan art of making concerning "Shimoun" by yourself or coopolate with your friends. (Include it in C.G Collage okay).
  2. The name of the character or airframe is described to comment of your art.
  3. The reprint from Comic Yurihime or anime "Shimoun" is not good. Your orijinal Fan art is need for webmistress!
  4. Permit it when you contribute fan art drawing of the other people ....to the the fan-artist herself / himself.

Shimoun Fan-art post-contribution Bulletin board open!
in Japanese wiki page!

Adress is http://www.degitalscope.com/~mbspro/...oun/index.html

- Contribution method-
  1. If you pushed " 投稿(=Contribute)" of " お絵描きページ(= Fan art post contribute board ) " , the page is changed
    " 投稿画像確認(=Contribution image confirmation)"
  2. "あなたの描いた絵の登録が成功し,添付が完了しました。"(=The registration of the picture that you drew succeeded and appending was completed.)
  3. "画面内上部の「閉じる」リンクにて、画面を閉じた後「投稿する」ボタンで投稿して下さい。(=Pleas e contribute with "Contribute" button in "Shut" link of the upper part in the screen after shutting the screen. "



First post is "Nevirill" by fan-artist Ms. Lemon-Kayama(Hundle name)

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I remenber The Gods of Xuma !!

I remenber The Gods of Xuma and The Left Hand of Darkness



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Old 2006-05-05, 00:12   Link #312
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I remenber The Gods of Xuma and The Left Hand of Darkness
Have you read Commitment Hour, by James Alan Gardner? (Available here: http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/...632233-3545043 .) It's excellent, and touches on the same sort of dilemma that Eri(f) faced, and that Aaeru may or may not be wrestling with.

The short stories of John Varley and Rachel Pollack also seem relevant....
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Yes I order Commitment Hour Amazon USA 2weeks ago....

Yes I order Commitment Hour Amazon USA 2weeks ago....

Yesterday EMS parcel reached, but I've just onky a few pages.....
But I imagine that contents is resemble to Simoun world...
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Some unanswered questions

  1. Does Simulacrum have a carrier fleet, or is Arcus Prima one-of-a-kind?
  2. Are there ground-based Simoun, or is the force based on Arcus Prima (and hypothetical sister ships) all there is?
  3. Simulacrum appears to be able to manufacture Simile; can they build new Simoun, or is that a lost technology?
  4. How significant a blow was the loss of Chor Cup? Was it a catastrophic loss of up to a quarter of an irreplaceable resource, or was it just the first of many skirmishes in a long war between two large forces?
  5. How big is Simulacrum? The Simoun appear to travel at subsonic speeds (similar to a first-generation jet fighter, perhaps?), and rely solely on visual sightings to detect opposing forces, and entire chor appear to operate together when they sortie. Is Arcus Prima's Simoun group actually providing full patrol coverage for the whole nation?
  6. Does Simulacrum have other classes of aircraft besides Simoun and Simile? Are there air transports, for example? How do personnel (Dominura, for example) travel between Arcus Prima and the ground?
  7. How do citizens of nations other than Simulacrum and Argentum deal with sex selection? Presumably, they don't come to Simulacrum's Spring... so what do they do?
  8. If Aaeru was a cadet at the southern front, and the Simoun are the only effective forces, and Aaeru had never flown a real Simoun before being assigned to the Arcus Prima, what forces are engaged on that front? Mass-produced Simile? Simoun that Aaeru just wasn't assigned to? Some sort of ground troops?
  9. If Argentum and Simulacrum share a land border, why did the Argentine fleet need to cross the ocean to attack in the first episode?
  10. Are parachutes a lost technology?
  11. Is the Ri Maajon image in one Simoun's gem repeated in the gems of other Simoun in the same chor? If not, how does a chor coordinate which Ri Maajon to perform when its communication cables are disengaged?
  12. We've seen the Sibylla, Wapourif's maintenance crew, and the bridge crew. How many more crew members are needed to operate the Arcus Prima?
  13. Do other nations also adhere to the religion of the Tempus Spatium, or is that unique to Simulacrum?
  14. Does Simulacrum have the highest level of leftover lost technology, or are there other states with different kinds of applied phlebotinum?
  15. Is the Ri Maajon magic, technology, or a miracle?
  16. What is the large cone-shaped hill in the opening credits? The one covered with buildings, with a cantilever airstrip and some other projection sticking out of it? I've been calling it the "citadel," but what is its actual function?
  17. What is that other funny thing sticking out of the citadel, that angles up into the sky at a thirty to forty-five degree angle?
  18. Are there other interesting places on the ground in Simulacrum besides the Spring and the citadel?
  19. Is the water surrounding the citadel a river, a lake, or an estuary? Do the boats on it trade with other nations?
  20. How open are Simulacrum's borders for trade with other nations? Are there Argentine spies hidden among the population, trying to steal technological secrets?
  21. Is Onashia really the head of state, or is "Grand Shrine Empress" just a courtesy title?
  22. What other clergy does the religion of the Tempus Spatium have? Do retired Sibylla who have spent their formative years as priestesses frequently take religious vows?
  23. Aren't other nations worried about the rise of the Argentine war machine? Might Simulacrum find allies somewhere?
  24. How do the dragonfly fighters land?
  25. How are the dragonfly fighters recovered aboard their carriers?
  26. How do the dragonfly fighters work? It doesn't look like the "wings" would provide enough lift -- is it supposed to be a lifting body shape?
  27. Can anyone fly a Simile, or is it also limited to Sibylla who haven't chosen a sex?
  28. Do the Simoun have a maximum range?
Spoiler for episode 5:
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Yes I order Commitment Hour Amazon USA 2weeks ago....
I think you'll enjoy it. You might enjoy the rest of his "League of Peoples" series -- it's unrelated to Simoun, but it's both enjoyable and thought-provoking. (Especially Oar. :-) )
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I can Anser Question 9 only.....

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Some unanswered questions

9.If Argentum and Simulacrum share a land border, why did the Argentine fleet need to cross the ocean to attack in the first episode?

Trans Japanese: 

銀とシムラークルム宮国が土地境界を共有する場合、なぜアルゲントゥムの艦隊は、第1エピソードにおいて、 攻撃のため、海洋を横断する必要がありましたか?
1. "Simulacrum Imperial princess country" separated across the ocean from "Argentum Shou Nation".(=Argentum "Atoll" or "reef" Nation)

2. In Episode 5, Enemy Anti-Air Tank Unit is belonged to "Purunbum Rei-Koku"
(=Purunbum Ridge Nation).

3."Purunbum Ridge Nation" shared Steep mountain range to border "Simulacrum Imperial princess country"


The Some of English Fan-Sub otaku has mis-understand to confuse When "A" is "B", "Argentum Shou Nation" is the "Purunbum Ridge Nation"
"Purunbum Ridge Nation" shared Steep mountain range to "Simulacrum Imperial princess country"

"Argentum Shou Nation" far from the Simulacrum, over the ocean.
But "Purunbum Ridge Nation" near to the Simulacrum, only shared Steep mountain range.



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10.Are parachutes a lost technology?



The hypothesis (ostrich algorithm)
There is rarely happening what, and, therefore, the idea of not needing dealing.
There is no .."Airframe that the god gave".. ..degeneration.. must...
It is imprudent to think when falling.


Up to now, it had gone well by it.
However, measures for safety and the escape device will be necessary in the
future. (Zvezda "K-36DM" zero-zero ejection seat and Martin Baker Mark 7 ejection seat so on ...)


On the other hand, I write fiction interview article "Interview with Halconf"
http://www.geocities.jp/emiri_0623/dragon-fly-e4.htm
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The enemy's "Single-pal" has to defend body from the gas for the buoyancy station oneself at even the control compartment, those who control fully equip the goggle with the helmet, and, in addition, wear the whole body protective wear to the body parachutes.
Oh,Is it a very tight, pitiful, just isolate-enemy 's pal...

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11. Is the Ri Maajon image in one Simoun's gem repeated in the gems of other Simoun in the same chor? If not, how does a chor coordinate which Ri Maajon to perform when its communication cables are disengaged?

Yes. How then the others know what kind of Ri Maajon they must perform?... I dont saw any cables either... But they need some sort of leader... (to many cooks destroys the meal or so)

xx. How do citizens of nations other than Simulacrum and Argentum deal with sex selection? Presumably, they don't come to Simulacrum's Spring... so what do they do?

Like we do it in our time. With Hormone... Today you can give a man, woman hormone to let them change sex.. Well, until the last part... you know.. but breats can raise from his chest... and that kind of stuff works on a woman, too. Give a Woman Man hormone, and she will lose her woman chest, and build up some muscles... Why do you think that some "Amazones" (Oympia these girls that lift this heavy wights) looks like men above the upper part )
Well, in Simoun the soldier said something equal too. when i remeber right.. He was forced to be a Men for the warmachine...

28. Do the Simoun have a maximum range?

As far as i know.. (Afaik) their Gems dry only out if they make the Ri Maajons. Therotical, they can flight as long they dont use to much Ri Maajons.. (Episode 01). The source of energy for the crystal must be the Pilots.... "you must pilote the Simoun with your body and soul" (some place in a Pool scene...) Body = direct piloting... and Soul perhaps for Ri Maajon and "engage" of them.

Spoiler for episode 5:
Well, what i tinking about it...

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Old 2006-05-05, 10:19   Link #319
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Since I am a person who loves to speculate about plot details I think I will try my luck with some of these questions.

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# Does Simulacrum have other classes of aircraft besides Simoun and Simile? Are there air transports, for example?
Well if they can have trains which seems to have an engine looking just like a bigger version of the Simoun engine, I would venture that they can build other types of aircraft if they need them.

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If Aaeru was a cadet at the southern front, and the Simoun are the only effective forces, and Aaeru had never flown a real Simoun before being assigned to the Arcus Prima, what forces are engaged on that front?
Maybe some ground based guns and fortifications like those the enemy had in episode 5 combined with Similes?

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If Argentum and Simulacrum share a land border, why did the Argentine fleet need to cross the ocean to attack in the first episode?
Looking for the element of surprise, getting around the fortified border and striking directly the heartland of Simulacrum, I guess. But why haven't they done earlier if that's the case?

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Can anyone fly a Simile, or is it also limited to Sibylla who haven't chosen a sex?
Considering that Aeru had no idea about the special rituals involved in flying the Simouns, I'd say it's possible for anyone to fly a Simile but probably most of them are used by people under 17 as a means to train future Sybillas.
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Thanks for the questions, Futaba-chan. Too bad I don't have many answers, lol.

5. The magazine pages posted earlier say that Simulacrum is "small," is in the mountains, and has no seas. So I think it is likely small enough for one or a few Arcus vessels to cover.

9. The same page says that there are "a hundred and some tens" of countries on Daikuuriku, and names Simulacrum Palace (Shrine?) Country, Argentum Reef Country, and Purunbum Ridge Country. As Yui posted, Purunbum is supposed to share a land border with Simulacrum, and is the source of the attack in episode 5, but Argentum is across water.

19. Since the magazine page said that Simulacrum had no seas, I guess the citadel hill is in a lake in the mountains. I have been thinking of that as the capital, where the Pool of the Grand Shrine is located、but I don't really know for sure.
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