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Old 2006-06-25, 03:01   Link #1221
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If we're going to dive into my beliefs, then I'm an athiest by choice. One of the joys of atheism is that I can believe in a higher power without necessarily believing in a god.

Haruhiism is an idea, basically started by a bunch of people who enjoyed the show. No one really knows what it stands for, but all members have some interpretation. My interpertation of it is the way of living life with full energy and determination of Oharuhi-sama. I believe in Haruhi as a deity in the simplest terms, a figure of worship (hell she's not even real). I could care less if she's a god in whatever conventional terms, she is a figure that represents infinite energy and determination to me.

For some reason you've seem to have combined two unrelated things (an idea proposed by Itsuki in the novel and a fan-made idea of Haruhiism) into the same argument in your quest to defamate Haruhi's godliness which is only really supported by the Itsuki camp. (a bit off topic but by last count how many people liked Itsuki?)

I hope that clears some of the confusion up. For the record I don't back any camp, I just enjoy the show. Haruhi (in all her epic Tsun-) is a breath of fresh air in a market rife with generic characters.
I'm going to offer you a piece of advice here. Once this show is done, don't stand around waiting for a second season. If you're tired of the generic characters of today take a step back and watch a show from the 80's. This is why I don't find Haruhi's character terribly special (well in contrast to today's shows she definetly is), because I've seen some incredible stuff from the early 80's and 90's the stuff that nobody pays any attention too and hence why people are drawn to this series in droves because there's not much else on (Not that it doesn't have its merits). Might I recommend Legend of The Galactic Heroes, or Kimagure Orange Road.

Also when you have half the board running around alternating between referring to Haruhi as God rather than Godly (source of inspiration, Haruhism Whatever), its very easy to confuse the Itsuki camp and Haruhist thing that will more than likely last about 2 more weeks until the series ends and there's nothing left to talk about, then the next big show will come out and a new trend will overtake Haruhism. I do hope there is a second season at some point though because I'm quite enjoying the show.
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Old 2006-06-25, 03:13   Link #1222
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I know of some achievements from anime's first golden age, I'm simply in the market for uniqueness. I grab all the 'different' anime of each season first then whatever slots are left I throw in some comedy filler. Someday I'll work my way all the way back to the 70s, but right now I'm still having a hell of a time with this show.
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Old 2006-06-25, 03:14   Link #1223
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Cool, I kind of hope it lasts for your sake.
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Old 2006-06-25, 10:24   Link #1224
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You see that's called "Begging The Question", both you and Shirobane. Basically you expect someone to believe your conclusion without first believing the basis on which it is founded or essentially the question being answered.
I'm not sure what this sentence means.

My conclusion was that there is no conclusion but that made by the individual. Whether anyone believes that or not is up to them. I'm not expecting anyone else to believe it.

EDIT: What I suppose I want to say is: whether someone believes Haruhi is God or not depends entirely on them. If they want to get religion from an anime, by all means. I know one person who really believes in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, two people who are practicing Discordians, and so on and so forth. If someone wants to believe in, say, the Church of Ryouga Hibiki, I'd also say the same thing: that it is entirely up to them to believe what they want.
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Old 2006-06-25, 14:23   Link #1225
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I just watched it until episode 11. I really like Haruhi's personality, it's really realistic and I find myself able to identify myself with her in several ways, unlike in many animes where the main characters are selfless to the max and without any faults. However imo she is the only character that is truly developed until now (perhaps except the main guy) - just look at the alien girl and time travelling girl. There is NOTHING unique about them, characters like these appear in any clichée anime, time travelling girl actually really pisses me off "AHH OMG I'M SO PUNY AND FRAGILE DONT TOUCH MY TITTIES!", plus painfully obvious fanservice.. Other than that, the idea of Haruhi being God is a nice idea and a nice theory even, I like the cheesy opening music, and I enjoy the main guy's constant and sarcastic remarks/thoughts throughout the anime so far. Taking my critics into account, I would continue watching, but not become a fan of it.
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Old 2006-06-25, 14:38   Link #1226
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I just watched it until episode 11. I really like Haruhi's personality, it's really realistic and I find myself able to identify myself with her in several ways, unlike in many animes where the main characters are selfless to the max and without any faults. However imo she is the only character that is truly developed until now (perhaps except the main guy) - just look at the alien girl and time travelling girl. There is NOTHING unique about them, characters like these appear in any clichée anime, time travelling girl actually really pisses me off "AHH OMG I'M SO PUNY AND FRAGILE DONT TOUCH MY TITTIES!", plus painfully obvious fanservice.. Other than that, the idea of Haruhi being God is a nice idea and a nice theory even, I like the cheesy opening music, and I enjoy the main guy's constant and sarcastic remarks/thoughts throughout the anime so far. Taking my critics into account, I would continue watching, but not become a fan of it.
Actually, this season, hopefully isn't the last, is focused on Haruhi. Should the future stories be animated, you will get far more Yuki development than you bargained for, as well as why Mikuru is essential to the plot. For now, enjoy the Haruhi developments. (Haruhi is as much a clichée as Yuki or Mikuru, and just like them, the clichée factor is simply magnified 1000X.)

Haruhi is based on the tsundere stereotype. One of my favourites, to be sure. But to claim Haruhi as being less clichée than Yuki or Mikuru is plain wrong. All the girls are much more than meets the eye.
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Old 2006-06-25, 15:34   Link #1227
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So then according to what you said this anime will suddenly out of the blue unleash fantastic character developments which will give it a much deeper concept? I really do hope so tbh And I don't think Haruhi is clichée at all, she is a mixture of several typical personalities, and there are parts in the anime which really convey the fact that she is not clichée - for example when the main guy approaches her and adresses her for the first few times. At first she is arrogant, strange and very condescending - but turns out to be delightfully hyper, extroverted and bossy and everything - in her own bouncy but evil way! There is more than just a clichée in her, that's what I feel.
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Old 2006-06-25, 16:51   Link #1228
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Sure are some people who quickly stereotype characters and ignore that which differentiates them from the archetypes, making it easy to write off the show. I could stop watching or reading almost any story using that technique because I've labeled them all and predict their actions. Except that that plan doesn't really work all the time. The problem is that no story is truly original so using that as a critique is pointless. The question is "is the story being told in an entertaining way or in a permutation that keeps your interest?".

Sorry but its *easy* to label and stereotype - that's the "compare" part of literature ... its a bit more challenging to find the things that make a character diverge from the cardboard cutout archetype. One of things interesting about this show is the distortion and subversion of "typical stereotypes". Analyzing it purely as a "romance" misses some of the other interesting facets of the show.

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Old 2006-06-25, 19:25   Link #1229
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The July 2006 issue of Newtype USA has a 2 page spread on Haruhi Suzumiya. On pages 58 & 59 the article (backed by photo of the gang) is called "Cirlcle of Freaks" and lists the most basic (so basic that they call Haruhi a "nut") information about the series. The photo (of which character images were used for this wallpaper <except for a different {and cuter} image of Haruhi>: ) shows the gang in a half-circle (L->R) Itsuki, Yuki, Mikuru, Haruhi, and Kyon. It'd be nice to find that pic somewhere because IMHO in the pic Haruhi is definately cuter than Mikuru!
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Old 2006-06-25, 19:34   Link #1230
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Hmmm. I wonder if this means Haruhi is on ADV's radar...
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Old 2006-06-25, 19:48   Link #1231
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It'd be nice to find that pic somewhere because IMHO in the pic Haruhi is definately cuter than Mikuru!
That Haruhi picture is taken from the fanclub site.
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Old 2006-06-25, 20:16   Link #1232
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That Haruhi picture is taken from the fanclub site.
Except that's not the Haruhi pic I'm talking about. The character elements of the Newtype USA pic were used in that wallpaper except for Haruhi. The Haruhi pic in the article shows her in a "glamour" pose with a big smile on her face on the same page as the Kyon character pic (go figure.. ). That's the Haruhi pic I'm looking for.
As a matter of fact, I'm sure this article appeared in some form in the Japanese Newtype sometime before the series started airing or while the early episodes were being broadcast.

Bingo! Picture found:
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Old 2006-06-26, 22:21   Link #1233
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Suzumiya Haruhi debut (again...) at #71 (from #80) with 44 reviews (with 2-3 about to get deleted)! Keep the reviews coming in!

I read the novel again... I'm surprised this episode (13) was actually HALF a chapter and it took 22 minutes to explain all of it. Can't wait for subs and episode 14!
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Old 2006-06-27, 15:39   Link #1234
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Hmmm. I wonder if this means Haruhi is on ADV's radar...
OH YEAH! awful awkard miscast dub time with dialogue that has nothing to do with the original and shows when subtitles are played over the english track. ADV, The company that almost single handedly ruined Aura Battler Dunbine and Megazone 23. ALL RIGHT! I can just picture Haruhi making weird random noises during her dialogue like Skeeter from that Disney show Doug. "Hey Kyon we're going to join the Baseball Tournament, Hee Hee HOOOOONK Dur OOOOORGUUUUUSSSSSSS!
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OH YEAH! awful awkard miscast dub time with dialogue that has nothing to do with the original and shows when subtitles are played over the english track. ADV, The company that almost single handedly ruined Aura Battler Dunbine and Megazone 23. ALL RIGHT! I can just picture Haruhi making weird random noises during her dialogue like Skeeter from that Disney show Doug. "Hey Kyon we're going to join the Baseball Tournament, Hee Hee HOOOOONK Dur OOOOORGUUUUUSSSSSSS!
Blame Carl Macek for Dunbine.

And there were good dubs from ADV like FMP, D.N Angel, Pretear and a couple others I'm not listing since it's pretty off topic.
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Old 2006-06-27, 17:15   Link #1236
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ehhhhh, lets not get on the dubbing topic. Basically they all suck to some extent simply because the acting quality isn't there (C list VA types) --- as long as the subtitles aren't massively bad I'm fine.

(Before someone whines that some dubs are good, I can actually stand Azumanga, grimace but tolerate Ichigo Marchmallow, and didn't flinch during Totoro... I just think the original language VAs come from a higher quality pool. There *are* excellent english VAs.... they just don't use them.)

At the moment Geneon hits more bells than average, but its hit or miss with any of the companies here.... I'm more concerned that they do a good sound and image quality job.

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Old 2006-06-27, 18:19   Link #1237
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ehhhhh, lets not get on the dubbing topic. Basically they all suck to some extent simply because the acting quality isn't there (C list VA types) --- as long as the subtitles aren't massively bad I'm fine.

(Before someone whines that some dubs are good, I can actually stand Azumanga, grimace but tolerate Ichigo Marchmallow, and didn't flinch during Totoro... I just think the original language VAs come from a higher quality pool. There *are* excellent english VAs.... they just don't use them.)

At the moment Geneon hits more bells than average, but its hit or miss with any of the companies here.... I'm more concerned that they do a good sound and image quality job.
You obviously haven't seen the Dunbine dub, that one wasn't just poor it was particulary special in all categories. Listen to some of the clips http://www.dubreview.com/readreview....iewid=00000120 this could be the Haruhi dub if ADV gets it.
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Okaaay, let's just drop the fact ADV might get this one. Considering the insane popularity this series has brought, it's more likely the license will be expensive for them to purchase. And here are some of the BETTER dubs ADV has put out:

Godannar
Gantz
RahXephon

Given that (and considering it is a Kadokawa title), I'm thinking FUNimation has a chance of getting it. I mean they were able to get Full Metal Panic: TSR away from ADV's hands, and FUNi has proved themselves of getting lots of anime titles that WILL sell well.

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Old 2006-06-27, 18:30   Link #1239
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(follows Kaioshin's linkage) um..... spewwwww?

Hey, I'm sensitive - I throw up at dubs the rest of the room says "eh? there's a problem?"
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So... Who else is planning on watching all the episodes in chronilogical (Spellcheck hates me.) order when all episodes have been viewed?
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