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View Poll Results: Utawarerumono Episode 12 Rating
Perfect 10 3 6.82%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 18 40.91%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 17 38.64%
7 out of 10 : Good 6 13.64%
6 out of 10 : Average 0 0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
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Old 2006-07-01, 19:08   Link #41
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The image of the figure that killed Hakuoro's wife and children was shadowy. It could be another twin/magical creature? If I can use the strange ending credits as a clue, the last scene shows a blue dragon like monster and a red dragon like monster, with a bird in the middle. If we take this as a clue, it could be 2 similar entities on opposite ends. Therefore, Hakuoro (wearing blue) might be the good guy, while the red one is the one that killed his family, thereby, framing him.

There has to be a good reason for miss "justice is on my side" Touka to join Hakuoro.
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Old 2006-07-01, 21:04   Link #42
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Wasn't it hinted in the first episode that Hakuoro might be possessed by a demon or something? That might explain why he went crazy as Rak Shine.
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Old 2006-07-01, 22:52   Link #43
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Yea, I don't think it should matter what his past is. It is who he is now that matters. And right now he is a good person.

I think that when he killed his family he was posessed by a demon or something, if he did indeed kill his family.
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Old 2006-07-02, 03:14   Link #44
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Yea, I don't think it should matter what his past is. It is who he is now that matters. And right now he is a good person.

I think that when he killed his family he was posessed by a demon or something, if he did indeed kill his family.
Though the past is catching up to him. That throughout parts of this episode, the past is really putting Hakuoro on the edge. To where it points, appears to be anything but pleasant. That perhaps the biggest fear right now, memories; is that on how it could change him on whom the person he has become now.
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Old 2006-07-02, 04:48   Link #45
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And thats why he brought up the question to Eruru about what she would do if he had really killed them. To which I don't think she answered satisfactorily, imo, but thats realistic so I'm not gonna complaint.

I like the floundry in which the Characters are at now.. epecially Hakuoro, but also all those around him, like Oboro said; "does that mean they are right?"

Not knowing if Hakuoro really did those things. If he did, should they continue to follow him? Why did he do it? Would he continue to be a worthy leader in their eyes (someone said something about unrest in the soldier's, peasants ranks)? Should they join the other side? If he didn't, who is behind it? Who to exact revenge on? Is there a sinister mastermind?

Its interesting to note that just knowing what Rak Shine did (not whether it was him, Hakuoro, doing it) is enough to bring him to doubt himself.

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And right now he is a good person.
He could always be possessed again. I doubt its that simple..
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Old 2006-07-02, 06:30   Link #46
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At this point, he is a different person. Whether Rak Shine was truly a past version of Hakuoro is, to me, irrelevant. This is not a man 'turning over a leaf.' It is essentially a different person.
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Old 2006-07-02, 11:17   Link #47
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My theory on how Touka survived:

She flapped her ears all the way to the bottom!!!! ZOMG XD

I don't think this episode was meant to be humorous, but I just could help but laugh when Touka's ears spread like that. She out-kemonomimis the kemonomimis.
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Old 2006-07-02, 11:26   Link #48
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I did not perceive any glaring flaws regard to animation and storytelling values for this episode.

It was interesting that Hakuoro delved on his remorse for the crimes he made but lost in his memories. What Orikakan told him about his former criminal acts is paying a toll on Hakuoro's conscience.

It puts him in a helpless, desperate position that wants to escape from that reality by drowning his thoughts on sake or forbidding any mention about the matter.

Touka is the coolest of all swordmanship women I've seen so far in the series, and most likely she surpasses Benawi proficiently on that field; she can hold her own against Karura.
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Old 2006-07-02, 11:30   Link #49
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How come Hakuoro doesn't just imprison or exile Oboro? Not only is he a weak-ass sorry excuse for a Hero unit, he is also insubordinate, rude, argumentative, ill-tempered and a prima donna. They should say, "Thanks for giving us Yuzuha, Dorii and Gura, now get lost!"
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Old 2006-07-02, 12:17   Link #50
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^ LOL.

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At this point, he is a different person. Whether Rak Shine was truly a past version of Hakuoro is, to me, irrelevant. This is not a man 'turning over a leaf.' It is essentially a different person.
While I get your point, I would disagree on that. The past always catches up; in this way it will likely affect his actions and decisions, even if he is, as you say, entirely different. Yet the very fact that it already affects his actions/decisions/demeanour means that he isnt that different after all. My point is that there will always be a link back to the past.
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Old 2006-07-02, 13:45   Link #51
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Too bad Hakuoro didn't manage to better explain his side of the story to the enemy (no memories, pissed off at his home village being wiped out). Oh, well.

And judging from the pre-intro scene, Hakuoro (assuming that's really him) can't be killed.

So. A masked guy that crushes people's throats with a metal fan and laughs off a dozen swords sticking out of his body? Freakin' badass x2. =O
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Old 2006-07-02, 14:43   Link #52
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after that bridge incident i think Touka will never forgive hakuoro for atempted murder -____- its her conclusion that he is a cold blooded killer XD
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Old 2006-07-02, 14:47   Link #53
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How come Hakuoro doesn't just imprison or exile Oboro? Not only is he a weak-ass sorry excuse for a Hero unit, he is also insubordinate, rude, argumentative, ill-tempered and a prima donna. They should say, "Thanks for giving us Yuzuha, Dorii and Gura, now get lost!"
I think they make him a little TOO weak, to be honest. I don't care if it was done in the game or not. I just think someone so pissed that he just lost his entire village would probably be able to at least touch a superior warrior.
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Old 2006-07-02, 15:18   Link #54
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I think they make him a little TOO weak, to be honest. I don't care if it was done in the game or not. I just think someone so pissed that he just lost his entire village would probably be able to at least touch a superior warrior.
In the future the "superior warrior" won't be able to even touch Hakuoro, don't worry.
Did you see that monster at the end of the OP? It's the thing inside Hakuoro, you can see it by his eyes. I guess that thing will own evreyone evreywhere!
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Old 2006-07-02, 16:21   Link #55
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In the future the "superior warrior" won't be able to even touch Hakuoro, don't worry.
Did you see that monster at the end of the OP? It's the thing inside Hakuoro, you can see it by his eyes. I guess that thing will own evreyone evreywhere!
Well, as I said in the predictions thread, based on ep 11 and the opening... Hakuoro's evil brother-in-law framed him for doing some kind of Diabolical Deed in a fiendish attempt to get the power himself to summon/turn into GODZILLA. This is Hakuoro's hidden ability. In the end, the REAL bad guy shows up, who reveals him/her/itself to be the Evil Entity behind all the OTHER Evil Emperors and kills the Evil Brother-In-Law just to show how badass he/she/it is. This Evil Entity then summons GODZILLA, but is foiled at the last second by the Yippy Girl With Black Wings, who also as a Secret Ability - calling down Nuclear Death Strikes from orbit. In your face, Evil Entity!

Of course, this episode changes the beginning a little bit, but you get the gist of it. Trust me, I've seen it all before.
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Old 2006-07-02, 17:48   Link #56
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While Hakuoro may have been possessed, framed by his evil twin, or my favorite, is actually truly evil back in the past plays the necessary complexity to make it truly interesting. While many stated that his past is lost, I find it optimistic that many assume or make it seem he will never regain his lost memories. In many situations the internal conflicts that develop within the character between his past and present self is more difficult to decide. Whether his two different personas will actually meld into one, stay seperate but accept the past, or other scenarios always peaks my interest.
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Old 2006-07-02, 17:52   Link #57
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Possession seems a little more likely than being truly evil in the past as an explanation for his sword-strength and invulnerability in that pre-op flashback. It could be that he was just evil and that drove him to discover some evil power that gave him that, but... Aruruu loev daddy... ;_;

It's hardly likely, but it would be interesting to see Hakuoro pull off a "Death Note" scheme, where he lost his memory on purpose and regains it at some later date according to some fiendish scheme. The best spy is one who doesn't even know he's a spy. o.o
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Old 2006-07-02, 19:50   Link #58
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I might have to agree with the people who are saying that he was framed and I have three points to support it. The first has nothing to do with Hakuoro, but with Touka. She is supposed to be this honourable and virtuous warrior and yet the army she has joined slaughtered a village. Now I could understand if they just attacked the fighters of the village, but they didn't, they killed the entire village including the women and children. I don't believe that Touka would be part of any army that did anything like that. Now she's of a prominent position in that army, being someone of her calibur, so she would know of an event like that, which leads me to believe that she was tricked. That they never told her about the slaughter of the village, that in truth the real enemy is using her as a pawn. If she was tricked that could easily mean that they're tricking Hakuoro too, that the real enemy is trying to devise some strategy for defeating him.
My second point is also associated with the slaughter of the village, typically the strategy involved in the slaughter of innocents is to put the enemy into an emotional state, which is exactly what they did. I believe that was intentional, but if that's the case then the enemy would have to believe that Hakuoro cared enough for the people for that strategy to work, which obviously goes against what they kept saying about him being this great evil. I believe the enemy leader guy is actually in on the whole plan, that he's serving the real enemy.
My third point isn't much, but it's about the whole theme of the show, strategy. Hakuoro thus far has been all about strategy, that is his weapon and that has been the theme of the show. If that's the case the enemy would have to have the same weapon, which continues to support the same theme, strategy. It comes down to this, the evil guys feared Hakuoro(his former self) and what he was capable of so they framed him, to put him until an ill position with his people. Some sort of event happened where he got away, from his assailants, but it lead to him disappearing and gaining amnesia, which I don't think was part of the plan, but actually was an event that went against the plan, after all he got himself quite an army right now. After that happened the enemy leader guy used the whole murder of Hakuoro's family to bring Hakuoro's army under his authority and then used it again to bring Touka to his side. At this time they are in the process of using typical war tactics to defeat Hakuoro. Well anyway that's my two cents.
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Old 2006-07-02, 19:54   Link #59
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meh i just think that hakuoro is just posessed by the devil...that always explains it all
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Spoiler for Man, the op is pretty bizarre, pics:
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