Yuki Yuna Is a Hero: Hero Chapter (movie & TV) [Season 2]

[Kazu-kun]

It makes no difference. Taisha is just fucked up and has to be stopped. Fuu would have done so already, but Yuuna stopped her. Now she's paying for it. This is the result of Yuuna's fuckup.

I just hope she will realize this and admit she was a little shit. They can go save Tougou after that.

[RDNexus]

I'm with @Random on that case. Reasons can make a difference, depending on how they'll act to get to Tougou.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by xrick

I'm with Random on that case. Reasons can make a difference, depending on how they'll act to get to Tougou.

Reasons, huh? The reason Fuu was mad at Taisha was that Taisha hid the consequences of mankai from them. Had Fuu known about it, she might not have introduced Itsuki to the club. But she wasn't given the choice.

Yuuna's reason to stop her was that, according to her, even if they knew about it, they would have decided to fight anyway.

I hope anyone can easily understand that Yuuna's reason is beyond nonsensical. There's a big difference between sacrificing yourself off your own accord and unwittingly being sacrificed. Being given the choice matters a lot because it means you're not just a poppet to be used.

Which leads us to the current situation. Tougou might or might not have gone with the Taisha willingly (she's an idiot so chances are she actually decided to go along with the Taisha even though her friends told her multiple times to talk to them instead of trying to do shit on her own). The ones who didn't get a choice, however, were Yuuna and the others. They lost a friend and didn't even know it.

We're dealing with the same conflict here, the same reasons. But when Yuuna wasn't the one directly affected, she could say stupid things like Taisha hiding shit from them didn't matter. Now that it touches her personally, she definitely doesn't feel the same way anymore. That's why she's an hypocrite.

That's okay though. It's not like I don't want her to go save Tougou and kick some Taisha butt. I just hope she realizes how hypocritical she is. That's all.

[RDNexus]

What I meant was wanting to save someone may not mean wanting to blow everything along the way, like it could have happened had Fuu managed to ahead with her berserk streak, that time.

In a sense, I understand you seeing Yuuna as a hypocrite. Let us see if it really is the case or if there's something else along the way...as usual...

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by xrick

What I meant was wanting to save someone may not mean wanting to blow everything along the way, like it could have happened had Fuu managed to ahead with her berserk streak, that time.

If the Taisha actually tries to stop Yuuna, I have no doubt in my mind she's gonna crush them without thinking twice.

Originally Posted by xrick

In a sense, I understand you seeing Yuuna as a hypocrite.

Because she is. Though I guess we have to wait and see what happens.

[IceHism]

I like how the show takes no breaks and starts the suffering immediately.
Well I guess Togo became a tree

[EroBotan]

Originally Posted by IceHism

I like how the show takes no breaks and starts the suffering immediately.
Well I guess Togo became a tree

if that's really tougou then taisha is really fucked up (if taisha is indeed behind this). Yeah, Tougou break that wall and make a mess .. but she's just a kid, she already regret it, and she's also a hero who has gone through tons of battles to save humanity's ass. Among all of the current heroes, she fight the longest (she is in this for 2 generations already). Can't they be grateful and forgive her for once lol?

oh, and just want to confirm something, there is no explanation yet for yuuna's miraculous recovery right in the 1st season? or did i miss it somewhere? (please no spoiler XD)

[FlareKnight]

I'm getting some familiar vibes from Togo's possible situation. Possibly using her life/body/soul/etc as fuel to create either a new wall or repair the old one. If functional that could prevent any further attacks and a need for additional heroes to be made. Just a guess, but kind of has a particular Persona game vibe to it.

Something that seems possible considering what has been done to these kids in the past. Going from just having them be magical girls who can bleed and die, to 'immortal' magical girls that can't die but still slowly become broken over time, to just a singular sacrifice that seemingly can't fight back or have a dangerous mental break. And honestly I still can't really criticize Togo that much for what she did. That whole system was a horrible idea. How did no one foresee a girl just utterly snapping from the horrible despair and doing something like that? Of course it's understandable that she feels horrible about what she did and I can easily see Togo getting manipulated into doing something crazy to 'atone' even though the people who created that problem in the first place should be the ones begging for forgiveness.

Regardless, yeah the suffering hits in a hurry. If Togo is being used as some kind of sacrifice it makes it all the harder to stomach. Whether or not she chose to do this, having her be forgotten by everyone that knows her is just....bleh. Could be making the ultimate sacrifice here and if all went according to plan....no one would ever know.

In the end no matter what the truth is, the main cast can't sit around and take this. A precious friend is not only missing, but has been removed from their memories. They all went through a hellish experience and fought hard. And this is what they get for it.

Anyways. At least parts of this episode were pretty fun. Sonoko just interacting with everyone is hilarious to watch. She's really bounced back nicely from that horrific state she was in before. And it was nice to see Togo being able to interact with her friend again. This time with her memories restored. Only Sonoko could talk about herself as the girl of fate .

And I support the return of National Defense Mask!

[tomexe]

I am just wondering if Shinjuu went along with this just to confirm if Yuuna is really a god and Togo really is her miko as well as a yuusha. Being able to feel each other in spite of Shinjuu erasing their memories would be a test of this.

But why Shinjuu would need more tests after Yuuna auto-henshin'd on a empty mankai gauge in front of him I don't know.

[Kazu-kun]

Shinjuu doesn't have a will of its own. Also, what makes Yuuna special is explained in the NoWaYu light novel. It's completely translated so go read it.

Anyway, this is just Taisha' doing, not Shinjuu's. They can use the power of Shinjuu for their own purpose. Erasing memories wouldn't be that hard for them.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Shinjuu doesn't have a will of its own.

I'm going to need a source on that. All the information I've seen so far (which, admittedly, is not all of it, since I can't handle the most depressing stuff) has indicated that Shinjuu-sama has an independent will.

Spoiler:

Given that the mikos are said to be able to hear Shinjuu-sama's voice, and Sonoko After stating that Shinjuu-sama came to believe in the courage of mankind thanks to Yuuna's actions, current evidence indicates that Shinjuu-sama does possess its own will. Now, the individual beings who merged to form it probably no longer possess independent will or consciousness of their own. I imagine Takashima Yuuna would have spoken up about the treatment of the heros who have followed her, if she was awake and able to do so. But Shinjuu-sama itself has still been presented as having some sort of will of its own.

I'm not trying to argue that Taisha can't use Shinjuu-sama's power on their own, because I'm sure they can. I just think Shinjuu-sama mostly leaves them alone so long as what they do doesn't interfere with its purposes.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

I'm going to need a source on that. All the information I've seen so far (which, admittedly, is not all of it, since I can't handle the most depressing stuff) has indicated that Shinjuu-sama has an independent will.

Spoiler:

Given that the mikos are said to be able to hear Shinjuu-sama's voice, and Sonoko After stating that Shinjuu-sama came to believe in the courage of mankind thanks to Yuuna's actions, current evidence indicates that Shinjuu-sama does possess its own will. Now, the individual beings who merged to form it probably no longer possess independent will or consciousness of their own. I imagine Takashima Yuuna would have spoken up about the treatment of the heros who have followed her, if she was awake and able to do so. But Shinjuu-sama itself has still been presented as having some sort of will of its own.

Spoiler:

The mikos can't hear Shinjuu's voice. There is no such voice. They only get oracles (visions). This is stated by Hinata herself in the YuYuYui mobage, and we actually get to see one of these visions in the Washio Sumi movies when Sumi herself sees one (because Sumi is not just a hero, but also a miko!). Also most of what Sonoko says in Sonoko After is mostly just her opinion, not proven facts. I advice you not to take everything she says as face value.

[outlaw97]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Spoiler:

The mikos can't hear Shinjuu's voice. There is no such voice. They only get oracles (visions). This is stated by Hinata herself in the YuYuYui mobage, and we actually get to see one of these visions in the Washio Sumi movies when Sumi herself sees one (because Sumi is not just a hero, but also a miko!). Also most of what Sonoko says in Sonoko After is mostly just her opinion, not proven facts. I advice you not to take everything she says as face value.

Spoilers from NoWaYu(?) and minor spoiler from YuYuYu mobile game

Spoiler:

Isn't Shinjuu just a conglomerate of the gods of the land? That's what this whole conflict is - Heaven vs Earth, basically It's also a key thing in the YuYuYu mobile game - within the gods of the land there were dissenting factions, causing a civil war of sorts and requiring the heroes to intervene.

So there's a will, but it's not of a single entity.

Also, it's briefly mentioned in the supplemental material that Taisha is a large organization, and like any large organization, may be influenced by corruption. I'm wondering if that'll play a factor at all in this season.

[tomexe]

Shinjuu has a will, its just weakened by his colony nature. Also, and it may again be because of his composite nature, he seems to go along with whatever the Taisha ask of him.

Taisha asked that no more yuusha die, so mankai/sange were concieved but it doesn't look like either the Taisha or Shinjuu understood the consequences of it. Ultimately Shinjuu removed the sange effects on his own without input from Taisha.

Since the incident of "Vertex cultists" and terrorism were mentioned in KuMeYu, I wonder if its going to be a plot point in this series? Or is it just dropping a hint of what the next series in the Yuuki Yuuna world is going to be after they finish this?

[xizro345]

I finally watched the first episode of second "part" and I felt the writing wasn't up to par like the original season (honestly, I didn't care that much for the Washio Sumi part, I have zero interest in characters like Gin or Sonoko, or what happened before the original series).

The reason is, it introduces the fact that something is wrong right away, to the point the interest of the viewer shifts immediately to that instead of the funny parts, which feel like a waste of time. The first half was, save for a couple scenes with Sonoko, padding pure and simple for the "big reveal".

Also, I'm extremely wary of them continuing a story that had a satisfying ending, to make an example I really don't want a repeat of what happened (to me) with Madoka Magica's Rebellion, which annoyed me so much I don't want to hear, read or see anything related to the franchise anymore.

[RDNexus]

That's quite the amount of salt there.

I saw the Sumi Washio part in the Movie Trilogy and I actually enjoyed the ride, despite knowing beforehand that there was impending tragedy along the way.

[xizro345]

That was the limit for me, I'm already annoyed that the franchise is a multimedia project and it "requires" (not really strict, though) to read other material to have a clear idea of certain events, but in this particular case I wasn't interested in seeing what happened to Gin, Togo/Washio, and Sonoko.

What I meant with the previous post is that the first episode of the Yuusha chapter tried to repeat the effect of the first episode of the first series, only to "fail" because it put in the idea that something wasn't right with the subtletly of a hammer in the face. It's like "we need more drama immediately!", in contrast to the slow buildup they had in the first series, which, I found problematic in the Takahiro-only penned series like Akame ga Kill!.

[Kazu-kun]

Obviously the show can't play the SOL card anymore. It wouldn't make sense. I do understand if you don't like the tone the show has now, but it can't be helped.

[FractalFusion]

Got into this franchise recently. Probably wouldn't have if it weren't for this season.

I appreciate the SOL parts in the first series, but things are obviously different now. I also like magical girl fights, so maybe we'll get more of that if not as much SOL this time around.

If the subs are this bad though, then that's not a good sign:

Can the subbers at least watch the anime they're subbing to see if it makes sense? Saying "five" here (instead of "six" which it is supposed to be) contradicts this whole scene.

I guess episode 2 of the sequel is just around the corner. Look forward to that.

[Kazu-kun]

So, Yuuna took the mark from Tougou. It's like she's bearing Tougou's sins in her place. The messianic symbolism fits Yuuna, I guess.

Still, even though everyone reminds Tougou that she should have talked about it with them instead of doing shit on her own, Yuuna goes on to hide her condition. That's our resident hypocrite for you.

On a side note, I didn't like how Taisha lost their memories of Tougou as well. It felt like a cop out so they wouldn't interfere with Tougou's rescue.