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View Poll Results: SR Second Term Episode 16 Rating
Perfect 10 27 45.76%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 18 30.51%
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Old 2006-07-28, 06:22   Link #41
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Hiya Lolitron, haven't seen you in while what happen?

I agree with Itoko sensei, we need see more of her. A hot spring ep would be the best.
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A hot spring ep? You need to rephrase that because if your thinking about the same kind of hot spring ep I'm thinking of, then it will be heavily fogged on TV so what we need is a DVD only OAV of a hot spring ep. Ah, the heavens are opening
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I can only imagine how Harima's 120 page manga story will change around after this little adventure with Eri. (Was originally very Tenma focused, wasn't it?)

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A significant portion of this story arc is dedicated towards challenging many of our prior perceptions of Eri's character... This episode gives Harima and the viewers a chance to see Eri from a fresh perspective, free from all of the initial prejudices that initially clouded our vision... Eri is clueless here because she needs to be... expect to see quite a few dogmas shattered
My concern here is that it seems the author is intentionally and forcefully changing Eri's character to suite his needs and try to make Eri even more likeable by changing what type of character she is.

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how did suou deal with nakamura at the end? did she get beat up by nakamura or the other way around?
I really doubt Miko can beat up Nakamura since she does not even stand a chance against Hanai. However, remember that Nakamura likes pretty women (Itoko sensei, Ep. 2), so he will probably not do anything to Miko.

The outrageous comedy that SR follows makes me think of Ranma 1/2 more than KOR. KOR was heavier on the drama, and yes, Ranma seemed to go forever, with no real ending in the Anime. However, if you are looking for over the top laughs similar to School Rumble, Ranma would probably be the way to go.
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Not as good as ep 15 but still good...I actually wanted the "Sleepover" story arc to continue as it was so funny and had a really strong dynamic going..For once in my life I actually can't get enuff of Tenma who has been brilliant the last 3 eps...I can't ever remember liking her this much...As for the Eri-Eroness this ep if you adjust your media player contrast down during the bath scenes you can see it all ... Anyways while I'm not a big Eri-fan I don't really have much against her...I'm just kinda tired of the Chidori-Naru girl characters who treat a guy like trash and hit him and curse him yet really like him (Then want me to feel sorry for them when we discover they have a heart or soft side)...But to my point I just don't see how they can keep playing this harem when Harima hasn't expressed anytype of feelings for Eri beyond a super-light interest (I mean Miko is really out of the loop to push harima into this)...The dude has Tenma tunnel vision so hard it just seems unbelievable that he would fall for Eri in a couple of eps regardless of anything they could possible do...The money to me is in the Yakumo harem where she falls more and more each ep and Harima is subconciously feeling her because she's the only person inwhich he displays his truest personality...Touching her, talking to her in a natural way where he isn't overly embarrassed or anything..He doesn't even realize how comfortable he has become around her...It think the money is in the Tenma-Yakumo harem personally, but this ep was good...Nice to see a different side of Harima without the shades and the bathroom humor with him and Miko was hilarious...

Looking forward to more...it should be gut-busting how he finishes his 120 pages of manga by deadline xD...
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Anyways while I'm not a big Eri-fan I don't really have much against her...I'm just kinda tired of the Chidori-Naru girl characters who treat a guy like trash and hit him and curse him yet really like him (Then want me to feel sorry for them when we discover they have a heart or soft side)...But to my point I just don't see how they can keep playing this harem when Harima hasn't expressed anytype of feelings for Eri beyond a super-light interest (I mean Miko is really out of the loop to push harima into this)...The dude has Tenma tunnel vision so hard it just seems unbelievable that he would fall for Eri in a couple of eps regardless of anything they could possible do...
Eri doesn't fit the typical tsundere stereotype. Tsunderes usually have weaknesses that the harem male learns to understand and accept - there isn't any character growth on the side of the tsundere. In Eri's case, her character weaknesses are a source of her endless growth as a character. Every major story arc, from Ep.14 onwards, addresses some character weakness within Eri that she has to learn to overcome. As a matter of fact, in Ep.6 S2, Eri admits that her behavior is immature at the time - which is a catalyst for real maturity and growth.

Another point to note is that Eri always reciprocates her perception of Harima's actions. She is cold and aloof when he is rude, but she goes to great lengths to satisfy his needs when he shows even the slightest sign of kindness. As a matter of fact, in the Harima x Eri relationship, I'd argue that Harima is the real tsundere - and Eri grows in response to dealing with his 'tsun' and 'dere' modes of behaviour. What's more, no matter how much you see Harima protest out loud that he hates Eri, he can't help but be there for her in her time of need - whether it be in winning relay races, or keeping her and her laundry out of the rain. There's an underlying tendancy in Harima's behaviour throughout the series, and if you're sharp, you might already know what it is.

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The money to me is in the Yakumo harem where she falls more and more each ep and Harima is subconciously feeling her because she's the only person inwhich he displays his truest personality...Touching her, talking to her in a natural way where he isn't overly embarrassed or anything..He doesn't even realize how comfortable he has become around her...It think the money is in the Tenma-Yakumo harem personally, but this ep was good...Nice to see a different side of Harima without the shades and the bathroom humor with him and Miko was hilarious...
Who ever said that this was a harem anime? Ugh, not again.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...t=26311&page=4

Onigiri, Marker, and Pencil all exist in relationship to specific conflicts that Eri has to face as a character - in this way, Yakumo, Tae, and Mikoto are all foils, who serve to both contrast and illuminate Eri's character. Through each 'rivalry', which exists entirely within Eri's mind, Eri faces conflicts within herself and learns to overcome them.

On another note, in Ep.4 S2, Sagano and Yuuki point out that Eri and Harima look most natural and at ease when they are together. Harima's real personality is not in the calm, polite, and quiet attitude that he demonstrates around strangers, but rather in the emotive behaviour that he shows around his family (Itoko and Shuuji), Tenma, and Eri. Note that around both of his known relatives, that is, the people whom he is closest to (Itoko and Shuuji) he constantly argues with them and curses them under his breath, but whenever they need his help, he's always there for them. Harima's interactions with Eri bring out his natural behaviour. (They also complement each other perfectly, in his ability to inspire her and her ability to keep him grounded, but that's a topic for another episode. )

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My concern here is that it seems the author is intentionally and forcefully changing Eri's character to suite his needs and try to make Eri even more likeable by changing what type of character she is.
Eri fandom is something that has really grown over the course of SR. Many popular characters are designed to be likable - they are presented in a way that makes them cool or mysterious, or they use gimmicks, like showing up every week in a different moe fetish outfit. Such characters manage to grab our focus for a short period of time (the duration of the series or the length of our attention span, whichever is shorter), and then we move on to find a substitute. Unfortunately, this comes at the expense of character depth. Eri, fortunately, is a very different story.

The stereotypes that we tend to attach to Eri's character on first being introduced to her are hardly flattering. Had she simply lived up to the stereotypes linked with typical arrogant, rich, foreign blondes, she would probably have been doomed to mediocrity.

Some of us noticed fairly early on that Eri did not match up to any of her stereotypes, and others picked up as the series progressed. In this manner, Eri fandom has grown, over time. If you look back, the qualities that she shows here were always present, even from as early as S1 Ep.5 - but it's up to the viewer to be willing to percieve them. We tend to cling to our first impressions quite strongly, so it can be hard for us to accept anything that contradicts them - Harima is struggling with the very same problem, as a matter of fact. These episodes are a delight for Eri fans for a simple reason - it's absolute confirmation of a truth that we've always seen in Eri, throughout the series. Tell me: when was she ever any different?

KJ is quite consistant in his writing - there are countless small examples of the attention to detail that he puts into his work, and Eri is no exception. You need only be concerned by the recent developments if you want a reason to condemn her character - because the more we understand Eri, as the series progresses, the easier it becomes love her for who she is.
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Looking forward to more...it should be gut-busting how he finishes his 120 pages of manga by deadline xD...
He's always used his interactions or fantasies with Tenma as his muse for his manga stories. I wonder what this one will be about?? Horror manga hehe, or psycho

I too liked Tenma and the dynamics in the last few eps, they were good. But I guess that could only go for so long, it's good they ended it I think. I'm curious about next ep for sure.
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Another point to note is that Eri always reciprocates her perception of Harima's actions. She is cold and aloof when he is rude, but she goes to great lengths to satisfy his needs when he shows even the slightest sign of kindness. As a matter of fact, in the Harima x Eri relationship, I'd argue that Harima is the real tsundere - and Eri grows in response to dealing with his 'tsun' and 'dere' modes of behaviour. What's more, no matter how much you see Harima protest out loud that he hates Eri, he can't help but be there for her in her time of need - whether it be in winning relay races, or keeping her and her laundry out of the rain. There's an underlying tendancy in Harima's behaviour throughout the series, and if you're sharp, you might already know what it is.
But Harima is overall a kind character...His internal nature and overall pureness is noted by his relationship with animals...His persona as a deliquent has always been a mask to hide his true tenderness...Now I have no problem with Eri being showcased and her changing as a character but in-terms of Harima always being there for her that is a byproduct of harem-anime...He knows she's not evil or anything..He also knows her prissy attitude isn't quite her full character but at the same time he hasn't shown anything to me that would suggest that his reception to her in his life is anything that resembles "pure love"....Other than Yakumo I don't ever really see Harima act in his truest personality around girls of interest (Which is comfortability)...Obviously there is gonna be a sexual-angst there because both characters are asthetically sexy....Obviously I'm basing all these conclusions on the anime...


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Who ever said that this was a harem anime? Ugh, not again.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...t=26311&page=4

Who said it was purely a harem?? Not me...Don't jump to conclusions just because you heard me use that word, although one would have to be suffering some kind of severe head trauma not to see the harem element that comes into play in various episodes of this show (with side-characters aswell)...One of the reasons I believe this show is so popular is because it has an eclectic-mix of comedy, action, interpersonal-relationships, and pop-culture spoofing (all this presented with a vast pallette of characters)... Which means it has something for everyone... I don't mean to push this subject even further, but the main characters name is "Harima"...it seems to me it's a play on the word "Harem" ...You can put that in your pipe and smoke it or not though....

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Eri doesn't fit the typical tsundere stereotype. Tsunderes usually have weaknesses that the harem male learns to understand and accept - there isn't any character growth on the side of the tsundere. In Eri's case, her character weaknesses are a source of her endless growth as a character. Every major story arc, from Ep.14 onwards, addresses some character weakness within Eri that she has to learn to overcome. As a matter of fact, in Ep.6 S2, Eri admits that her behavior is immature at the time - which is a catalyst for real maturity and growth.

Onigiri, Marker, and Pencil all exist in relationship to specific conflicts that Eri has to face as a character - in this way, Yakumo, Tae, and Mikoto are all foils, who serve to both contrast and illuminate Eri's character. Through each 'rivalry', which exists entirely within Eri's mind, Eri faces conflicts within herself and learns to overcome them.
Ok I'm not going to attempt to shatter your world as it appears quite obvious you are overly-indulged with her character...But I am extremely analytical (even in comedy series) and I fail to see it quite your way...Yes I understand the importance of her character but she does not have an archeatype in the anime world that's super-creative or non-descript (This is an archetype she shares with naru in love Hina and Chidori in FMP! not to mention a hundred more characters I don't need to mention)...Just like Sasuke in Naruto and Vegeta in DBZ share the same archetype they are still vastly different characters, so I do understand that Eri is not "just like" them, but she is in that grouping...Now I'm sure if I worked hard enuff I can pull all sorts of character stuff out of the hat that can rival your veiw of Eri, but alas that's not the point I'm going for here...I accept your view of her but trust me I don't need to go to in-depth character school to break her down...The episodes we are seeing right now even seem to be a dedicated effort to kind of change her character in a sense, but obviously you see this as implied growth rather than a byproduct of a "haremy" dynamic and it's your choice to believe this...

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On another note, in Ep.4 S2, Sagano and Yuuki point out that Eri and Harima look most natural and at ease when they are together. Harima's real personality is not in the calm, polite, and quiet attitude that he demonstrates around strangers, but rather in the emotive behaviour that he shows around his family (Itoko and Shuuji), Tenma, and Eri. Note that around both of his known relatives, that is, the people whom he is closest to (Itoko and Shuuji) he constantly argues with them and curses them under his breath, but whenever they need his help, he's always there for them. Harima's interactions with Eri bring out his natural behaviour. (They also complement each other perfectly, in his ability to inspire her and her ability to keep him grounded, but that's a topic for another episode. )
Well that's a good point and opposites do attract, but if his natural behavior is getting freaked out of his mind that he even has to be around her I'm not sure of the intense attraction you see...I mean the guy was in his own personal "heaven of heavens" just hours earlier as he thought his dream-girl was making an effort to show she liked him...You can ignore this HUGE MEATBALL SANDWICH called Tenma if you want, but his obsession with her is so ridiculously over-the-top for him to automatically sweep that under the rug and go for Eri based on what you've seen would be nonsensical at best (what a minute School Rumble is nonsensical at BEST ) As for the rest, i gotta tell you the way i act around my mom and sister behind close doors isn't neccessarily the way I act around a girl I really like or one that really gets on my nerves...But I can see the subtle attraction there...I mean the director//manga-creator wouldn't put them in situations together if he didn't want that attraction...


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Eri fandom is something that has really grown over the course of SR. Many popular characters are designed to be likable - they are presented in a way that makes them cool or mysterious, or they use gimmicks, like showing up every week in a different moe fetish outfit. Such characters manage to grab our focus for a short period of time (the duration of the series or the length of our attention span, whichever is shorter), and then we move on to find a substitute. Unfortunately, this comes at the expense of character depth. Eri, fortunately, is a very different story.

The stereotypes that we tend to attach to Eri's character on first being introduced to her are hardly flattering. Had she simply lived up to the stereotypes linked with typical arrogant, rich, foreign blondes, she would probably have been doomed to mediocrity.
I can agree with that but at the same time not see this as great character discovery...Eri is cool to me...I just don't see her as in-depth as you do....The manga creator or director could flip the script and have Eri and Harima fall in love next episode and you'll say that you saw this coming based on your sage view of her character or it can remain the same and you'll stil see what you see...I've just watch so much damn anime that I know an archeatype when I see one...And as Eri stands she's not as complex or in-depth a character like Fllay Allstar from Gundam SEED or Eureka in E7 or to meet the comedy-show//harem show comparison she doesn't even come close to a character like Miyazawa in "His & Her Circumstances"...So like I said what you see is in the eye of the beholder...


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Some of us noticed fairly early on that Eri did not match up to any of her stereotypes, and others picked up as the series progressed. In this manner, Eri fandom has grown, over time. If you look back, the qualities that she shows here were always present, even from as early as S1 Ep.5 - but it's up to the viewer to be willing to percieve them. We tend to cling to our first impressions quite strongly, so it can be hard for us to accept anything that contradicts them - Harima is struggling with the very same problem, as a matter of fact. These episodes are a delight for Eri fans for a simple reason - it's absolute confirmation of a truth that we've always seen in Eri, throughout the series. Tell me: when was she ever any different?

KJ is quite consistant in his writing - there are countless small examples of the attention to detail that he puts into his work, and Eri is no exception. You need only be concerned by the recent developments if you want a reason to condemn her character - because the more we understand Eri, as the series progresses, the easier it becomes love her for who she is.
Personally I think your looking so deep into it that you are gonna find whatever you need...She is a nice character I agree, but far from my favorite on this show...I think she's a good haremy character who may or may not have a chance to win to be with Harima, but her complexities as a character do not astound me, sorry...
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of course harima cares about eri. but its not romantic from his point of view. im sure eri wants it to be romantic but she cant accept the fact the she likes him yet so there is a mutual stale mate.
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i like how this is following the manga pretty closely, and for those whom it may concern, the anime's right now at or around chapter 151

and if the manga is any indication, the next couple of episodes are going to be nice flag episodes <3
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whow wats up with the long ass posts? >.< harima is kind to everybody IMO (thats after he came in contact with tenma) hes just a nice guy in general...and yea eri is too stubbon to swollow her pride and say she likes harima grr!!
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whow wats up with the long ass posts?
Agreed, there's something to be said for brevity. Harima's solid, nice when he needs to be nice and badass when he needs to be badass. It's rare to see chars like that in my experience, they are almost always one or the other. Guys anyway
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Jesus people if you can't read that then I feel for you...It's not even that long first off...And all I did is respond to an equally long post....It's not like anything is going on in here, you people should be glad to read this $hit^^...It's about School Rumble ain't it?

Don't come to the Gundam forum if you think that's long, your eyes will fall out of their sockets ...I'm glad either way I got 6 rep points for that post inching me a TD away from 100 ...and to be honest I think it was a post worth reading, but this is the SR forum so maybe I should keep it light...
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As happy as i am about this episode, i just hope the story goes somewhere and doesnt end up being a whole bg misunderstanding and then everyone goes back to their daily lives with some funny stuff here and there. As much as i love this show, i want to see characters grow. for 40 episodes now its all Tenma-chan, Tenma-chan, Tenma-chan. If Harima doesnt start growing im just going to give up on the show. i love Harima and School rumble, what makes an anime great are its characters and their growth. For 40 episodes its all "will harima confess?? will harima confess, wll harma confess, will harima confess?? its becoming episodic. But thankfully this episode opens the door to new possibilities, and im really happy. If everything past this episode doesnt affect any character in anyway, and its back to the same old formula and antics, then i guess im off the School Rumble boat. Great ride though.... i just want a destination.
I couldn't agree with you more. This is EXACTLY how I feel about this series. I too, will jump ship if after this development, everything goes back to normal. I just can't take it anymore. I'd rather not watch this show than be forced to pull my hair out after every freakin' lameass misunderstanding. It's just unbearable.

Thank god they've been focusing on the "main" characters the past episodes too. *cheers*
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I couldn't agree with you more. This is EXACTLY how I feel about this series. I too, will jump ship if after this development, everything goes back to normal. I just can't take it anymore. I'd rather not watch this show than be forced to pull my hair out after every freakin' lameass misunderstanding. It's just unbearable.

Thank god they've been focusing on the "main" characters the past episodes too. *cheers*

i second to that
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I couldn't agree with you more. This is EXACTLY how I feel about this series. I too, will jump ship if after this development, everything goes back to normal. I just can't take it anymore. I'd rather not watch this show than be forced to pull my hair out after every freakin' lameass misunderstanding. It's just unbearable.

Thank god they've been focusing on the "main" characters the past episodes too. *cheers*
Yeah, I agree too. The last two episodes (ep15 and ep16) pushed the plot forward because Yakumo and Eri seem to choose their own way.

Yakumo started learning how to draw manga so that she will be cut off from Harima, consequently maybe she will understand her feelings to Harima better. The same goes for Eri who understand that she loves Harima.
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i went back to watch this episode for the 8th time and found something fishy......

at the beginning, when itoko standing on the snow and yoko show up, there's a questionable dialog between the two. and i quote:

yoko: but that won't do for itoko-san. you are my precious
itoko: i got it. i'll play with you tonight. let me have some fun alone right now

end quote.(translation from a fansub....not my own)

I don't know about about you all, but that conversation make me think that itoko are lesbian....and yoko is her lover. I don't know if that's the real translation (since i don't know japanese directly) or the fansubber just having a lil quality time on this episode.

But if they really are lesbian, it would be a really good twist for SR that is already so twisted inside out. I think they should make OVA about them...
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That was a good analysis you have there, wingdarkness. It was a long read, but yeah, it was similar in length to the post you were replying to. In some ways, certain fans are biased towards their respective chosen characters, so it's normal for them to have a high positive view of that character. Everyone has a right to their own views, and we are just discussing different views that are just as valid.

Eri is a likeable character, but you are correct, IMO, that she does not display any traits that we have not already seen in other anime characters. We can add another character which I think is similar, which is Lafiel from Crest/Banner of the Stars, who has so much depth herself. Better yet, Akane from Ranma 1/2, who is strong on the outside, but really caring when it counts, and almost always misunderstands the main character.

@Swampstorm. Eri seems weak and vurnerable in this episode. I usually consider her much stronger and would have thought she would normally take charge of the situation and take care of things to her satisfaction. That is why I think she seems out of character and the author made her that way on purpose.
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Yeah, disturbing exchange here . Maybe they're going to play ping pong, or Go!

However Itoko does have that gruff voice so there's no telling. I didn't know her buddy was Suzumiya Haruhi until someone recently pointed it out.

+nothing inherently wrong with long posts, it's just easier reading and keeping up with short ones
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But Harima is overall a kind character...His internal nature and overall pureness is noted by his relationship with animals...His persona as a deliquent has always been a mask to hide his true tenderness...
People who befriend animals are not necessarily pure and tender. I think that Harima is a fantastic character, but he is still one who primarily relies on force and power to get his way. His character growth lies in learning to build relationships with others.

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Now I have no problem with Eri being showcased and her changing as a character but in-terms of Harima always being there for her that is a byproduct of harem-anime...He knows she's not evil or anything..He also knows her prissy attitude isn't quite her full character but at the same time he hasn't shown anything to me that would suggest that his reception to her in his life is anything that resembles "pure love"....
Actually, his current struggle is in admitting to himself that she does have a good side. Also, you just called SR a harem anime, which directly contradicts one of your later points.

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Other than Yakumo I don't ever really see Harima act in his truest personality around girls of interest (Which is comfortability)...Obviously there is gonna be a sexual-angst there because both characters are asthetically sexy....Obviously I'm basing all these conclusions on the anime...
Your reasoning is circular.

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Who said it was purely a harem?? Not me...
You just called it a harem anime yourself, a few lines earlier.

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Don't jump to conclusions just because you heard me use that word, although one would have to be suffering some kind of severe head trauma not to see the harem element that comes into play in various episodes of this show (with side-characters aswell)...
I can see why people try to classify elements of the show in terms of the familiar harem structure, but you distort the story in the process. Harima has a harem of one, right now.

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One of the reasons I believe this show is so popular is because it has an eclectic-mix of comedy, action, interpersonal-relationships, and pop-culture spoofing (all this presented with a vast pallette of characters)... Which means it has something for everyone...
Well said, but absolutely irrelevant to the discussion on harem elements in the show.

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I don't mean to push this subject even further, but the main characters name is "Harima"...it seems to me it's a play on the word "Harem" ...You can put that in your pipe and smoke it or not though....
After all, "Harem" is a Japanese word in the same way that Harima is a Japanese name.

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You can ignore this HUGE MEATBALL SANDWICH called Tenma if you want, but his obsession with her is so ridiculously over-the-top for him to automatically sweep that under the rug and go for Eri based on what you've seen would be nonsensical at best (what a minute School Rumble is nonsensical at BEST )
Harima's obsession with Tenma is relevant, but Tenma's obsession with Karasuma is equally relevant, if not more so.

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I can agree with that but at the same time not see this as great character discovery...Eri is cool to me...I just don't see her as in-depth as you do....The manga creator or director could flip the script and have Eri and Harima fall in love next episode and you'll say that you saw this coming based on your sage view of her character or it can remain the same and you'll stil see what you see...
Actually, I read these events about eight to nine months ago. So yes, I am writing this all in retrospect. It doesn't matter if we turn out to be right or wrong, down the line - what matters is our willingness to constantly challenge our old beliefs and assumptions as they become outdated. I used to view the series as a Flag-Onigiri-Oudou harem, at one point. When I saw consistant evidence that contradicted that idea, I abandoned it and looked for a better one.

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I've just watch so much damn anime that I know an archeatype when I see one...And as Eri stands she's not as complex or in-depth a character like Fllay Allstar from Gundam SEED or Eureka in E7 or to meet the comedy-show//harem show comparison she doesn't even come close to a character like Miyazawa in "His & Her Circumstances"...So like I said what you see is in the eye of the beholder...
Every character can be made to fit into some form of archtypical description. Archetypes are unrelated to the originality of a character.
Complexity is different from character depth. Complexity pertains to the little details that we get into why a character works. Depth refers to the vividness of the character being portrayed. Godai from Maison Ikkoku is an excellent example of a character with "depth". He fits perfectly into the archetype of "loser hero" (that has been done to death), but as the series progresses, you see him continually grow and mature as a character. At the climax of the series, he makes an powerful speech that really shows the journey he has made to become a mature character (and defines the series,too). Older romance animes were more about that "journey" to maturity. Eri, likewise, undergoes a similar journey. You can load up a character with little details to make them more complex, but character depth requires true artistry.

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Personally I think your looking so deep into it that you are gonna find whatever you need...
Is it preferable to look at the series from a shallow perspective?

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@Swampstorm. Eri seems weak and vurnerable in this episode. I usually consider her much stronger and would have thought she would normally take charge of the situation and take care of things to her satisfaction. That is why I think she seems out of character and the author made her that way on purpose.
Eri is primarily concerned with attitudes and perspectives external to herself. Harima is primarily concerned with his own internal attitudes and perspectives. That's the interaction that's being observed here. You've seen her give up on Harima on about three different occasions, to date - because she thought that he was interested in Mikoto, Tae, and Yakumo, respectively. She actively avoids those conflicts, even at the expense of her own feelings.

The acid test here is to see if Eri is acting "out of character". If you can point out other ways in which Eri is being inconsistant, then we can take a look at them.
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Old 2006-07-29, 13:04   Link #59
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I personally dont feel like Eri is acting out of character at all. I think the problem is that 1) Alot of anime watchers are not very observant and 2) We don't often get to see interactions from Eri's POV.

If anything Eri comes across to me as actually fairly insecure. Her "I'm a princess" act is exactly that - an act that she uses to get people to admire her. Maybe some of you can remember back to season one where they showed the episode of her and Mikoto first becomming friends - there is one part where Eri gets kind of flustered and upset and Mikoto says to her, "So you can make a face like that". This is probably the reason why Eri and Mikoto are best friends, Mikoto can see past the facade that Eri puts up and Eri doesn't have to put up an act infront of Mikoto because she sees and accepts who she really is. It's an interesting friendship dynamic and not one that is really uncommon in real life, which is probably why it resonates as one of the more realistic relationships in SR.

Also as far as her "passiveness" in this episode... I think people are confusing her outward ojou-sama persona with her actual self. We have never seen an episode where Eri was in direct conflict with her parents, in fact the only thing we really know about Eri's relationship with them is that she is a total daddys girl :P It's not hard to imagine that she is actually a pretty devoted daughter and hence would be willing to carry out omai meeting for the sake of her parents.

One other thing that Swampstorm pointed out is also true - We have seen Eri really back down whenever she thinks that someone else is going out or is interested in Harima. The closest she's ever come to a direct confronation was with Yakumo during the school play arc and at the end she still wilted, in fact Yakumo had to say something to her (It was whispered so we don't know what evidently) to evidently keep Eri from totally giving up.

I dunno, if anything Eri comes across to me as someone who is actually kind of passive in terms of her own emotions and self interest. This is why I think she actually has low self esteem. Just compare her to Tenma who is mildly cute, rather stupid, self delusional and over confidant in her abilities. Tenma literally oozes a very inflated sense of self worth Even when Tenma (rarely) admits her failings it doesn't really stop her from doing whatever it is she wants. Eri is almost the exact opposite of her.

This is why Eri is a tsundere type of character. The "tsun tsun" is her princess persona that she exhibts in public and the "dere dere" is her rather meek and kind inner persona that she hides from most people. It's also one of the reasons why I think a lot of people are sympathetic towards her, that is to say - her character exhibits a trait that is very common to alot of people: She is afraid of letting everyone see who she really is.

I think it's good that she has a friend like Mikoto who is cool with her real personality, and in fact even actively supports her when it comes to trying to be honest about herself. The fact that Mikoto is all like, "So when are you going to confess to Harima" right infront of Harima - it's not just Mikoto being mischievious, she was trying to push her friend in the direction she needs to go in to have a happy life. By that I don't mean that she has to hook up with Harima, but she needs to start actually expressing her feelings instead of hiding them behind her tsun tsun personality all the time.

Anyway, Mikoto understands Eri so why don't the rest of you guys?? To me the great thing about her character is how it's not totally contrived. Her "problem" if you will, is one that almost everyone should be familiar with on one level or another. It's not easy for people in general to be on the outside how they are internally. I think that's why the character resonates a lot with the fans. More so than say Yakumo with her psychic mind powers or Tenma having to compete with curry for Kurasama's affections. Both of those problems seem really superficial or just plain silly and hard to relate to. When you look at Eri's character however people can be like "Yeah, I understand that. I know what that's like".

Wow... this was a really long post. But seriously - I dont think Eri is acting out of character at all, in fact I think she's being very much in character, but the debate on these boards is because maybe she as a character hasn't resonated with everyone so they are not seeing things from her perspective enough to understand how it's very likely should would act the way she currently is...
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Old 2006-07-29, 13:41   Link #60
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wah wah people complaining about the author's own direction on his own project wah wah call the wambulance

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pretending to know psychology and psychoanalysis
lack of ceilingcat
misspellings and grammatical errors
lack of lurking more on school rumble manga itself
serious business
zer0kage thread
i forgot one more: tl;dr

also, welcome to the internet

next post i have to make, you will see exactly why anonymous does not forgive, all of you

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