(L) Simoun

[Starks]

Originally Posted by metronome

so,
is the simoun ep 18 any good?

doh, how come the tokyotosho hasnt had it yet~~:P
cant wait any longer

Dude, the raw comes out some time after 3PM EDT, I am lucky if I can download it and torrent it by 5PM.

[Starks]

Simoun 18 RAW out...

Spoiler for episode 18:

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by metronome

so, is the simoun ep 18 any good...?

Yes. I'm going to have to watch again and hope for a sub file to get the full meaning of all the talk, but I ended up with that heavy emotion in the chest once more. And there were some great images and great colors.

Spoiler for ep18:

I think I hate the rulers of Kyuukoku as much as I fear their enemies. One faction at least are pigs. The main thing in this ep for me was Aaeru and Neviril coming closer, then being wrenched apart, forced to fly separately. I think it's time for the sibyllae to tell the government to butt out of their affairs. "The Center" are useless idiots, who will even stoop to manhandling a sibylla. Yurusenai!

Rodoreamon sings in this ep, and people on 2channel think it was her singing the lullaby on Messis. I thought it was Yun, but now I think it was probably Rodore. For a couple of reasons that you will see (watch for the cradle), I think Yun's popularity is going to keep rising.

[metronome]

seems like another emotional episode~ and a lot of talkings too >.< which I dont understand

Spoiler:

well they talk about "other world"... and the possibility that dominuura and rimone might be there, aeru and neviril made a promise tho I dont quite get it~~, and they talk about angulas body too. mamina got paired with neviril because the father wants too:P. and paraietta want to be shown the "other world" too. and I dont get it why dont aeru and yuun fly directly following their teammates. and of course I dont get the part they are talking about the merge pool~~

[metronome]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Spoiler for ep18:

I think I hate the rulers of Kyuukoku as much as I fear their enemies. One faction at least are pigs. The main thing in this ep for me was Aaeru and Neviril coming closer, then being wrenched apart, forced to fly separately. I think it's time for the sibyllae to tell the government to butt out of their affairs. "The Center" are useless idiots, who will even stoop to manhandling a sibylla. Yurusenai!

Spoiler:

may be actually that's why dominuura had a very hard time working secretly with them

but ya, kyuukokus are pretty much useless already without onashia.



the next episode gonna talk about "sybillae" hope they will kick the government asses:P

[wrex_japan]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Yes. I'm going to have to watch again and hope for a sub file to get the full meaning of all the talk, but I ended up with that heavy emotion in the chest once more. And there were some great images and great colors.

Spoiler for ep18:

I think I hate the rulers of Kyuukoku as much as I fear their enemies. One faction at least are pigs. The main thing in this ep for me was Aaeru and Neviril coming closer, then being wrenched apart, forced to fly separately. I think it's time for the sibyllae to tell the government to butt out of their affairs. "The Center" are useless idiots, who will even stoop to manhandling a sibylla. Yurusenai!

Rodoreamon sings in this ep, and people on 2channel think it was her singing the lullaby on Messis. I thought it was Yun, but now I think it was probably Rodore. For a couple of reasons that you will see (watch for the cradle), I think Yun's popularity is going to keep rising.

Yes, I agree with you. This episode made me really hate those bastards. Yurusenai! is a good choice. Here are screencaps and a summary of the key points. Oh, and I thought it was Yuun also singing the lullaby in that episode, but I guess it was Rodore, as Mamiina said, "What, that lullaby you sang to Rimone?"

[metronome]

@up

Spoiler:

so
basically they take aeru and yuun off duty is because they are thought to be "trouble" to the kyuukoku:P

aeru's grandfather is someone important??:P
and yuun, why was she taken off duty too?

hmm, may be because of the incident where they took angulas body somewhere and she rejected that?

actually I wanna know what she said to those guys that took angulas body.

thanks so much for summary btw

[Futaba-chan]

Originally Posted by wrex_japan

Oh, and I thought it was Yuun also singing the lullaby in that episode, but I guess it was Rodore, as Mamiina said, "What, that lullaby you sang to Rimone?"

Hmm. I thought Rodoreamon and Limone were asleep at that point, but they aren't pictured at all, and you can clearly see Yun's lips not moving. I guess it really was Rodore after all.

[wowo]

Episode 18 subs uploaded, click the link in my sig.
Happy viewing.

Spoiler:

I wonder what they're setting up for Paraietta? I think they're taking a ton of time (read: too much time) focusing on her degression without really expanding her character... hopefully thing will get interesting for her soon.

[oneplusme]

Originally Posted by wowo

Episode 18 subs uploaded, click the link in my sig.

Wah! The episode 18 file is a bit "404 not found" at the moment.

[wowo]

Of course, I forget to upload the file.
Should be fixed now.

[icym]

Thanx wowo!

/me goes to work :P

[Guppy]

Spoiler for ep. 19 and ep. 20 preview:

Okay, it looks like Dominuura and Limone were luckier than they knew - they get to miss out on the huge shafting all their Chor-mates are now getting. Is there anything Simulacrans are good at? They seem to fail at having a decent society, a decent religious organisation and a decent military, so what's left? Major bonus points to Neviril, Aeru and Yun for standing up to be counted.

It's not looking good for Mamiina, though. I wonder if her "haircut" in the next ep. preview was somehow deliberate? Poor Rodoraemon's not going to be happy...

[oneplusme]

Originally Posted by Guppy

Spoiler for ep. 19 and ep. 20 preview:

It's not looking good for Mamiina, though. I wonder if her "haircut" in the next ep. preview was somehow deliberate? Poor Rodoraemon's not going to be happy...

Spoiler:

No kidding. This entire episode felt like it was practically screaming "Marked For Death" every time Mamiina was on screen...

To quote a bit from something I posted on the Yuricon ML, consider, amongst other things:

• Rodore's lullaby (still playing as they take off)
• Yun's finally-completed soul-catcher (on their windowsill, no less)
• That the religious hierarchy are prepared to give a funeral to an enemy who they consider as a sibylla, but that she's not even allowed to attend
• The next episode's title

Poor Rodore. And poor Neviril (losing one pair might be considered unfortunate, but losing two...). Oh, and poor Halconf as well - he clearly seems to care about her, and it's been implied that both his health and power are failing.

[Matrim]

Thanks, wowo!

Spoiler:

Well, I expected more revelations after the events in episode 17 but it seems that ep 18 is setup for the action in 19. Anyway, the rulers of Simulacrum seem to be a bunch of annoying idiots, both the religious and the military faction. I think this is a good thing since it does not portray them as paragons of virtue just because the main characters fight on their side as is often the case. Why is Aaeru's granfather so notorious, it seemed that they excluded her from taking part in that mission because of him? But these military guys chose the most willful of Sibyllas to keep on the Arcus Prima, seems to me they are simply begging for a mutiny on the ship.
Paraieta's descent towards insanity is getting a bit tiresome and Neviril not reacting after Paraieta pinned her to the ground and tried to kiss her reminded me unpleasantly of Strawberry Panic.

[oneplusme]

Originally Posted by Matrim

Spoiler:

Paraieta's descent towards insanity is getting a bit tiresome and Neviril not reacting after Paraieta pinned her to the ground and tried to kiss her reminded me unpleasantly of Strawberry Panic.

Spoiler:

Actually, I'd say she did react quite effectively - she saw that she couldn't fight her way out, so she decided to play dead and give Parietta not the slightest hint of a reaction. That's a pretty darn brutal way to reject someone (and well-deserved in the circumstances) - effectively saying "whatever you do to me, you'll never reach me".

But yes, if she's going to really snap, it'd be nice if she'd hurry up and do so. Preferably with a lack of easy redemption/martyrdom.

[Matrim]

Originally Posted by oneplusme

Spoiler:

Actually, I'd say she did react quite effectively - she saw that she couldn't fight her way out, so she decided to play dead and give Parietta not the slightest hint of a reaction. That's a pretty darn brutal way to reject someone (and well-deserved in the circumstances) - effectively saying "whatever you do to me, you'll never reach me".

Spoiler:

I meant Neviril's reaction after Paraieta seemed to have come out of her bout of madness and stopped her "attacK" - Neviril could have asked her "What the hell are you doing, you idiot?!" or try to tell you this is not the way. Doing nothing seemed a bit weird to me.

[m000m000]

Such a good episode for Mamiina fans <3

Spoiler:

But yeah, I'm kind of worried about the deathflag too.



I was rather blisfully oblivous of it, but then I watched the next episode preview...



"OH NO YOU FUCKERS YOU DIDN'T SURE AS HELL DO THAT!! "


...


...


"..... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ;_; ;_; ;_; ;_; "




...was my initial reaction when the obvious puzzlebits clicked into place. I am going to live in a haunting agony for a week now, purely because of that image from the preview ;_;


Why is it that they constantly toy with placing my favourite girls on the potential shit/deathlist?

Also, wasn't Vyura due to re-appear next episode according to some blurb? That means the set-up is so complete . I mean the thing is so full-circle for her now - the character development coming around and taking a final shape on her, and the pairing with Nevile & the hair cutting in the next episode preview are essentially both direct allusions to the whole of that.

....Someone please tell me I'm insane and just overreacting :/


Anyway, until the preview all my betting money was still placed on Yun. Her carryover attitude from last episode, the upped melancholism, the confrontation with the coffin carriers and the last final conversation with the Aeru ("Promises exist only to be kept" -refer her comment to Mamiina last episode- with the distant look into the sky), and well, it's Yun. There's been an aura of loss around her throughout the show.



As for the rest of the episode;

I was sure Paraietta was going to completely break down, but evidently that doesn't seem to have happened (yet?). I'm wondering where they'll go with her now, and more over how her relationship with Nevile will continue down the road, but I'm having kind of a feeling it will meet the same sort of non-existant aftermath as the sister's twincest episode - There certainly are lot's of other things to attend to at the moment, so it'll probably be glossed over at least for the next episode or two at the very least. Given the series liking to not "follow through" with things so far, I'm not keeping my hopes up high up for the follow-up, though .


Re: Not letting Mamiina to the ceremony - I understood it as such as Halconf already took a gamble and pushed his ability a great deal when driving her for the rank of a real Sibylla, and didn't want to push himself needlessly against or conjure unneccessary unwanted attention to himself or her from the religious faction (or whoever) by having her attend the ceremony.
Mamiina herself sure seems to be very jaded about(that's what she was) understanding and well-aware of the nuances and dangers that her graced-but-balancing-on-a-hairpin-commoner-elevated-to-'aristocracy' -status brings her.
Well, that is essentially what her whole character development has been about - Coming to terms with her status and being able to see the people around her, and herself, as more than just their social rank.

Originally Posted by Matrim

I meant Neviril's reaction after Paraieta seemed to have come out of her bout of madness and stopped her "attacK" - Neviril could have asked her "What the hell are you doing, you idiot?!" or try to tell you this is not the way. Doing nothing seemed a bit weird to me.

Personally I wouldn't really expect such a reaction from her - Getting openly angry, afraid, or agitated over something is just not her style. At most I'd expect some sort of shocked but melancholy formalization of "why" in that situation. I mean, just go and re-watch Episode 14(? The one where Aeru drops the Amuria bomb) and her scene with Aeru alone in the room for something relatively similar.

It's often not much about what she says, but more what she doesn't and most about the expressions she makes. They speak loads.

[Matrim]

Spoiler:

Personally I wouldn't really expect such a reaction from her - Getting openly angry, afraid, or agitated over something is just not her style. At most I'd expect some sort of shocked but melancholy formalization of "why" in that situation. I mean, just go and re-watch Episode 14(? The one where Aeru drops the Amuria bomb) and her scene with Aeru alone in the room for something relatively similar.

It's often not much about what she says, but more what she doesn't and most about the expressions she makes. They speak loads.

After rewatching the scene I think you are right. Neviril's eyes did speak volumes. I wonder if she is going to tell anyone about this incident.

As for who is going to die - maybe Paraieta will sacrifice herself to save Neviril from something as the ultimate proof that the latter can really rely on her but that's just a wild guess. If Mamiina dies, it would be kind of repetitive - once again Neviril's pair dies, I hope this won't happen.

[warainagara]

Spoiler for ep 18:

If I were allowed to give this ep a secondary title, I would say it’s “mukiau” (face someone, something.)

Neviril explained about sudden change of her attitude towards Aaeru that it’s for facing Amuria and herself.

I think Paraietta also began to face her desire she had kept hidden behind her usual policy on Neviril. Maybe it’s a little late but the fantasy during shower seemed to be a sign of awakening of her desire that she herself be Neviril’s special being.

As for the event, I had predicted Paraietta would mentally break down after that or stop herself on her side, but she was stopped by Neviril’s unexpected response. To me, her response looked like a while of sympathetic hesitation. I guess she just got to understand Paraietta’s state. She was given all the clues before the latter got on her. For Neviril, who had felt sorry for Paraietta for long time, it might be rather hard to push away her after all.

Another interpretation I have is she actually accepted Paraietta if for a while. I think she was in a very unstable state at the ballroom before Paraietta found her. She rejected Paraietta’s invitation to dance but in a while accepted it. The expression of her eye at that time was subtle but reminded me the time she almost mentioned paring with Paraietta. Being attached to no one emotionally, on the night before a dangerous battle, a court from the one, who had loved her for long and she also had favor in, might possibly exceed the decision to be more independent.

Paraietta fled after getting back to sanity but I think her awakened desire will be made to see a certain form of fulfillment, even if it is her own death instead of Neviril as suggested.

For Mamina, it was an irony the long-waited opportunity of pairing with Sibylla Auria came on her after she gave up the motive of such a desire. But she seemed to decide to front the opportunity, with different a motive than before.

The culmination of fronting came at the end, when Aaeru and Yun rushed to the hangar. They seemed to intend to act against the official’s decision. Exchange of short lines, a quick, simultaneous act and sudden ending of the ep. They know how to intrigue the audience for the next ep.