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Old 2006-08-01, 11:15   Link #1
Ronin Aquila
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How would you handle the Moral Dilenmmas DBZ heroes faced?

To the average western Dragonball Z fan, this may sound ludicrous.

But as a person who grew up on the original language version, it is not the fights, but the painful moral dilenmmas that the heroes frequently must grapple with that are my favourite parts of this franchise.

Now, just for a second assume you have the amazing powers that the Z warriors possessed; would you let your head or your heart govern how you use them:

To kick it off:

1) This is a dilenma also faced by the hatefully selfish Shuji of Saikano. Put your self in Kurilin's shoes: if you do not kill the woman (namely Number 18 ) you love, the monster (Perfect Cell) that will result from her survival will murder humanity. In your hands and yours alone lies the fate of your race. Would you pick love... or duty?

2) Kakaroto always shows mercy towards defeated enemies that do not regenerate, believing that slaying a helpless foe is murder, not matter how evil they may be. Would you still find this view relevant in the Post September-11 World?

3) One may see Vegeta as selfish when he allowed Cell to absorb 18. But let us remember that as the Prince of a Warrior Race he has the duty to keep its good face by not relenting in the face of a superior enemy. And having being defeated by a woman (18 ), in his eyes it is doubly important to vindicate the tarnished honor of the Royal House Of Vegeta. As it is everyone's right to feel duty towards and therefore protect their culture, can what Vegeta did be REALLY considered that evil?

4) Kakaroto explicitly stated that he had more than enough strength to anihilate the Evil Genie Buu, and yet felt that as one who is dead, it is no longer his repsonsibility, but that of those who will inherit the world, IE. the children, to vanquish the monster. Though as a parent, this act certainly strengthened the character of his son, would this still be considered an irrepsonsible act?

5) Kakaroto had fought Cell to such an extent that the Bioroid Warrior is sufficiently exhausted most of its power. Had Son Gohan fought him there and then, even at full power Cell would not be his match. Yet Kakaroto elected to heal Cell to his full strength, on the terms that it was the only honorable thing a warrior can do. Would you consider this a wrongful notion?

6) Freeza, destroyer of worlds and murderer of children lies bisected and helpless, begging Kakaroto for the mercy he never gave to thousands of worlds. Notwithstanding the fact that the tyrant had murdered his dearest friend and brother Kuruirin, Kakaroto could not bear to watch any life suffer in such a humiliating manner, and elected to help the monster live, believing that it would help him to learn to cherish life's preciousness. A friend once said that if he did not help Freeza, HE would be the monster's murderer. How would you think and act in such a situation?

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Here's Another, Painful One.

7) This dilenma is one of priorities, in which both choices have just ends.

Son Gohan and Kurilin have just landed on Planet Namek, seeking the Dragonballs there to ressurect their murdered friends. Demon King Piccolo, and therefore God, are deceased at this point in time, and therefore this is the only way they will ever see the people they love again.

The begining of this quest is complicated when they stumble upon Emperor Freeza and his cronies terrorizing a village, murdering helpless elderly men and even children to obtain Everlasting Life through the same Dragonballs. And from the sheer level of their chi alone Kurilin and Son Gohan knew that even challenging them, let alone fighting them, is tantamount to suicide.

Much as it pained Kurilin to stand by and watch an old man's neck broken protecting a toddler who was soon thereafter vaporized by the brute Dodoria, as the responsible adult of the duo he reasoned that to save their friends, they must stay alive to do so, and prioritized the life of the people he loved over innocent strangers.

Son Gohan, with his just and innocent heart, elected to intercede, striking Dodoria away from the remaining toddler Dende, even if it meant that the people they love will never live again so that a stranger can live.

What would your priorities be when you can only chose one? The life of an innocent stranger or the people you love?


I already came to conclusions with four of them. Will post them later after observing some reactions first.

More Moral Dilenmmas To Come Later. Feel Free To Add Your Own.

Let The Debates Begin!!
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Old 2006-08-01, 13:39   Link #2
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1. Well seeing as how my more powerful friends can kick Cell's ass and how I already know that dieing isn't all that bad, I think I'd take my chances.

2. I don't see what 9/11 has to do with that question. But anyways, if they're an active threat to you and everybody else, and the potential conequences for letting them live are worse than the potential consequences for killing them, I say kill them and get them off your back when you have the chance.

3. Vegeta wasn't about duty, Vegeta was all about pride. Cocky bastard just wanted to kick Cell's ass at his strongest.

4. Anime logic can get pretty retarded at times... whether he's dead or not shouldn't even matter. That's like saying that just because you moved out of your parent's house means that you shouldn't help them out on big house projects when they need the extra set of hands just because its not your house anymore. If you think that your kids can handle it by themselves and will grow stronger as a result, let them have their shot at it first. If you don't think that they can take it, then you step in.

5. Honor is pointless in a brawl where your health is on the line. I'd say that would go 200 fold for a brawl with humanity's safety as whole is at stake. Take every advantage that you get. If you can land a blow below the belt, take it. Practicality >>> Honor

6. And have him stick a knife in my back as I walk away and head off to kill more of my friends? No thanks.

Easy questions.
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Old 2006-08-01, 14:50   Link #3
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1. Depends. I gues i could take my chances.

2. Lets not forget that all he fought were bloody murderers. In this case, no mercy at all.

3. Vegeta just wanted to prove that he is better than Cell at fullest. Can it be considered evil ? depends if you consider Nr 18 a human being or not.

4. That was total BS imo. It was irresponsible of him. The whole world is at stake but meh - i dont live here anymore so screw it.

5. Pride - useless in a battle. Especially where the world is at stake. It's highly stupid what he did. But hey, in DBZ epeen size >> all.

6. Be it me Freeza would have died at the spot. You have to be stupid (which he was) to let someone like Freeza go. And the outcome shows it. One who doesnt hesitate to kill wont stop simply because someone spared him.


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Old 2006-08-01, 20:33   Link #4
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Whoa, this Forum is quite different from the other Forum I started this same thread in:

I personally, so far:

I personally came to these conclusions, if your opinions differ, feel free to express them.

1) Duty. No matter how much I love someone, I would never prioritize my own insignificant happiness over the lives, hopes and dreams of Six Billion other humant beings.

2) Defeating my foe is good enough. Hitting someone when they are down is cowardice.

3) Vegeta had EVERY right to do what he did. As a Prince, and therefore representitive of his culture, he is honor bound to not do otherwise.

4) I cannot decide on this one.

5) Nor this one.

6) If I could, I would fly him to the nearest hospital in the nearest civilized star system so he could get better. I honestly cannot live with the nightmares of him crying and begging me for the rest of my life if I didn't. Sure, if he then tried to stab me in the back, I would vaporize him. But since I am powerful enough to do so at no risk to myself, I would take my chances.
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Old 2006-08-02, 07:06   Link #5
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1) In my opinion if the whole of humanity is at stake then I'd have to kill her. ONLY if it was proven fact that her survival would result in the end of humanity and also if all other options have been explored. It would be painful for sure but it has to be done.

2) This one was the toughest for me. Do they really deserve a second chance if it's more than likely that they will remain unchanged, I mean, they have already proven themselves to be villains. This is basically debating the death penalty.

3) Yes, I think it can be considered evil if you take into account the fact that Cell is a monster that could be responsible for the loss of countless lives. He shouldn't let him get any stronger.

4) What a load of crap, it's the end of the world for crying out loud. I mean could you live with the entire world being destroyed just because you wanted to teach your son a lesson.

5) I wouldn't have healed him, I would have just offed him right there.

6) Same for this one. You say there would be no risk to yourself and that's true but you should also take into account that there is a hell of a lot of risk for everyone else. By the time you deal with him he could've destroyed the whole star system you left him in.
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Old 2006-08-02, 09:50   Link #6
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Hmm, number 2) is not necessarily a hopeless case.

Bear in mind that Tenshinhan, Caozu, Yamcha and even Demon King Piccolo were unrepentent criminals, villains and scumbags when Kakaroto first met them.

Yet he gained stalwart comrades and honorable friends by giving them a chance to discover their humanities. Even his son, Son Gohan, gained a second loving father in Piccolo thanks to his mercy.
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Old 2006-08-04, 08:52   Link #7
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Here's Another, Painful One.

7) This dilenma is one of priorities, in which both choices have just ends.

Son Gohan and Kurilin have just landed on Planet Namek, seeking the Dragonballs there to ressurect their murdered friends. Demon King Piccolo, and therefore God, are deceased at this point in time, and therefore this is the only way they will ever see the people they love again.

The begining of this quest is complicated when they stumble upon Emperor Freeza and his cronies terrorizing a village, murdering helpless elderly men and even children to obtain Everlasting Life through the same Dragonballs. And from the sheer level of their chi alone Kurilin and Son Gohan knew that even challenging them, let alone fighting them, is tantamount to suicide.

Much as it pained Kurilin to stand by and watch an old man's neck broken protecting a toddler who was soon thereafter vaporized by the brute Dodoria, as the responsible adult of the duo he reasoned that to save their friends, they must stay alive to do so, and prioritized the life of the people he loved over innocent strangers.

Son Gohan, with his just and innocent heart, elected to intercede, striking Dodoria away from the remaining toddler Dende, even if it meant that the people they love will never live again so that a stranger can live.

What would your priorities be when you can only chose one? The life of an innocent stranger or the people you love?
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