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Old 2006-09-10, 07:27   Link #21
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Originally Posted by Snubben_Pierre
how did Itachi get his MS? If akatsuki leader killed shusui then how did Itachi get it?
probably the same way kakashi got his, or on a way we don't know.
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Old 2006-09-10, 10:16   Link #22
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That's the obvious reason, yeah. But dig a little deeper and that doesn't exactly make sense. You said he wanted to test how powerful he had become after gaining the MS correct? If his sole motive was to test his power, why did he target the entire Uchiha clan including non-combatants such as the children and the elderly (i.e. Sasuke's aunt and uncle). Also, there were several very powerful non-Uchiha ninja like Kakashi, Gai, the 3rd or ANBU squad members. If he just wanted strong opponents why not target them? That's why I believe there is more to the story than Itachi just randomly deciding to murder the Uchiha clan.

The rest of your points I basically agree with.

hmm...you got a point there...the 3rd could be suitable for him to test his capacity but I believe he wouldn't stand a chance to the 3rd by that timeline...and the rest are easy catch...but i remember when Itachi used MS on Kakashi...Kakashi said that only a sharinggan user could withstand that kind of technique that's why he told Kurenai and Asuma to cloes their eyes...maybe Itachi was testing his capacity thru sharinggan users that's why he targeted the Uchiha clan...but hey!....it's just a thought...even I can't support that thought of mine...
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Old 2006-09-10, 13:35   Link #23
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I too have some belief that Itachi wants Sasuke to be strong because he needs his help. What exactly he needs help with I dont know, but it is DEFINATELY not as shallow as 'testing my capacity'.
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Old 2006-09-10, 13:44   Link #24
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Originally Posted by Snubben_Pierre
The theory was very good actually, and you wrote it very good.

For people who cant read it should go back to school or maybe study a harder english course, a text really doesnt need paragraphs everywhere to make it easier to read. And for those that will say something about paragraph's :P there are some certain rules for when you change paragraph, if you just change it whenever it feels good you can easily fail on the thing your writing. Atleast that's how my teacher bitches us. ^^,

Cheese4u, there is one flaw in your text and that is how did Itachi get his MS? If akatsuki leader killed shusui then how did Itachi get it? ;P Otherwise I must say its a lovely theory and would be cool if it was like that even though i doubt it very much.
Thanks, I actually forgot to include the part about the MS. I think at this point it would be difficult to say how anyone obtains the MS. But I can say with at least 90% certainty that killing your best friend isn't the only way to obtain MS. I actually think that Itachi told Sasuke that to make sure Sasuke would do anything to obtain power. He knew that was the only way to surpass him. I'm pretty sure Kikashi wouldn't kill anyone for any kind of power, so I know there's more to MS that meets the eye.
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Old 2006-09-10, 14:37   Link #25
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The name is Kakashi, not Kikashi.
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Old 2006-09-10, 15:28   Link #26
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The theory is good, and I have tough about some like that, but there is one big problem:

Sasuke.

Is How Itachi has handled how to get Sasuke strong thing, comom... telling him to Kill your best friend to gain power? Use Hate to get strong? this are the reason why I think Itachi is not really the saint he could be. So Yah I still think he did kill his clan and he did Kill his parents.

The reason why Sasuke has became evil is Itachi, so even if Itachi was doing all this cover up just to make Sasuke strong, I have to say it was the most stupid way to do it, and apart of this, is has backfire on Itachi.
LOL, There's something kind of off though when you explain it like that, The Domino Effect. Sasuke has actually become more and more detached like Itachi over the years. Although the method Itachi used is common and questionable, the fact is, Sasuke became what he is because of him. And now, Sasuke spits the same bull to Naruto. The Domino Effect, the effect that started somewhere and I do believe that Itachi wasn't the initial domino. Now, if cheese4u could tweak his theory a little and say instead that the reason Itachi killed Shisui is because he was trying to kill him and he was suppose to the original AKAT before his death, then do a little adjustments with the rest of what he said, then maybe.
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Old 2006-09-10, 21:12   Link #27
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well first of all itachi kiled his best friend .. that's for sure of he wouldn't get the marigan sharigan.


well, if thatīs the case, then tell me how kakashi was able to gain the
Mangekyou Sharingan in the manga ?

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Old 2006-09-10, 21:37   Link #28
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Old 2006-09-10, 22:36   Link #29
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well, if thatīs the case, then tell me how kakashi was able to gain the
Mangekyou Sharingan in the manga ?
We don't know.
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Old 2006-09-11, 03:22   Link #30
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We don't know.
I think his point was to say that there's possibly more than one way to get the MS. Oh wait, anybody seen Ebisu since the time skip?
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Old 2006-09-11, 08:28   Link #31
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Thanks, I actually forgot to include the part about the MS. I think at this point it would be difficult to say how anyone obtains the MS. But I can say with at least 90% certainty that killing your best friend isn't the only way to obtain MS. I actually think that Itachi told Sasuke that to make sure Sasuke would do anything to obtain power. He knew that was the only way to surpass him. I'm pretty sure Kikashi wouldn't kill anyone for any kind of power, so I know there's more to MS that meets the eye.
Oh thank you very much, then your story actually does perfect sense in a way, even though i hardly believe it is like that but who knows.

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The name is Kakashi, not Kikashi.
Not needed to post a correction on someones spelling you know, i believe 99.9% understands who one means when one spell it kikashi also, since you understood im guessing even the most stupid people understand also..
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Old 2006-09-19, 19:22   Link #32
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Ok first off let me set some of you guy's straight. This thread is simply my opinion based on actual facts from the show. I am not saying that any of these things have or is going to happen. I am merely saying it is what I beleive will or has happen(ed). That does not mean you can't debate what I say, I'm just saying don't jump on back as if I'm trying to pass all this off as fact.
Now that we got that straight I can continue. I beleive that Itachi didn't slay the Uchiha clan. Itachi doesn't seem like a malicious type of person. If I remember correctly he had the opportunity to kill Kikashi, Kurenai, and Sasuke twice but passed up on all of it. Except when he ordered Kisame to kill Kikashi. This suggests that though he doesn't mind killing he doesn't take pleasure in it like Orochimaru does. Taking that into consideration I don't see him slaughtering his entire village just to test his "capacity." Another thing is, he seemed particularly upset when they blamed Shisui's murder on him. Itachi then promptly kicked their asses. Itachi doesn't have anything to fear or to gain from them, so why would he lie when he told them he didn't do it? Probably because he really didn't do it.
Here's what I think happened. Itachi is the strongest person in the Uchiha clan and perhaps the strongest person in the village, depending on the condition of the third hokage. So naturally Itachi doesn't have much to fear. But one day him and Shisui were met by the only man that's stronger than Itachi, the ak. leader. Ak. leader wants Itachi to join him in order to help him accomplish his goal of capturing the biju. Itachi refuses, and Ak. Leader warns Itachi that there will be a price to pay. The first thing is Shisui is murdered. When Itachi hears of this he automatically knows it was him. He runs off to face him and is defeated. Knowing what he must do he decides in order to not put his village in danger he acts suspiciously in order to put the blame on himself for Shishui's murder. He does this because the only one in the village strong enough to kill Shishui is him. If he told them the Ak. Leader did it then that would put them in danger. Ak. Leader decides that he cares too much about his clan and kills them all. Somehow Itachi was able to save Sasuke from this fate. He knew that he couldn't defeat the Ak. Leader so he decides to join him and perhaps gain his trust until he's strong enough to kill him. But Itachi also took into consideration the possibility that he won't be able to kill him. So he formed a plan involving Sasuke. He knew that Sasuke's strength was driven by his jealousy of Itachi. So he took the blame and added more fuel to the fire by torturing him with the MS, hoping that someday he'll surpass Itachi and avenge his clan.
Feel free to tell me what you think.

This theory has already been written while back.
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