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Old 2006-10-29, 04:07   Link #21
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well...all said and done, we all know that isshin isn't some low level shinigami that wonder around human world. He got to be at least a captain level or even higher. I think all we can do is just sit nicely and wait until kubo reveal the whole connection within isshin and the rest of the character.
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Old 2006-10-29, 04:13   Link #22
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Old 2006-10-29, 04:35   Link #23
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I think all we can do is just sit nicely and wait until kubo reveal the whole connection within isshin and the rest of the character.
thats just not fun
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Old 2006-10-29, 12:54   Link #24
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I’m sorry if something like this already exists, but checking through all the threads is crazy. + I'm horrible at setting spoilers so I just put em on almost everything. (please correct me if I'm wrong on anything below)

Isshin Kurosaki is a huge confusion to me. Who is he “really”?

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Urahara talks to him as an equal and even seems to show him a bit of respect. It's highly unlikely he served under Urahara.

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Weird part:
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WHAT DO YOU THINK?

(my) WEIRD THEORY (that I don’t really believe in, but still give it slight chance)
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There are a few major flaws with this theory.
  1. Kaien was dead. he had a sword through the heart and Rukia returned the body to his family.
  2. Kaien had no reason to fake his death and leave. He was happily maried and enjoyed his job. His wife died the same day he did.
  3. The time frame doesn't match very well. Kaien seems to have died around 60 to 50 years ago as Rukia still seems to be pretty new to the squad and Ganju was still very young and for those that age tend to age at 1 year for every 10 that pass

While I don't belive Isshin is Kaien there are a few small things that make me think he might be Kuukaku and Kaien's elder brother or possably their father.
The Shiba clan seems to have lost their standing with in only the last generation or 2 at the most as Byakuya still seems to treat Ganju with resepect do a noble after finding out he was a Shiba.

Most people belive Urahara was exiled from SS for makeing the untraceable Giaga perhaps he made it for Isshin.
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Old 2006-10-29, 13:46   Link #25
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perhaps he made it for Isshin
but then we need to ask what did he want a gigai which Urahara got thrown out for? why would he (Ishin) want to run away from SS?
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Old 2006-10-29, 15:20   Link #26
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Urahara being thrown out ...why we dont know we can presume IMHO very little to do with Gigai and more to do with Hogyoku . Hogyoku theory has more weightage then Gigai being the reason for Bansihment
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Old 2006-10-29, 16:02   Link #27
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"At some point (over 100 years before the main Bleach storyline), Kisuke was sentenced into exile by Soul Society for creating an untraceable gigai, which also caused the spiritual power of the shinigami inside it to deteriorate, along with his creation of the Hōgyoku" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisuke_Urahara If we trust good old wiki that is).

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Maybe to build up a new underground army (the Vaizards), in case the Hougyoku is retrieved by some evil mastermind, like it recently happened.
he could have just created an army of shinigami in SS. kind of less trouble.


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Old 2006-10-29, 21:39   Link #28
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"At some point (over 100 years before the main Bleach storyline), Kisuke was sentenced into exile by Soul Society for creating an untraceable gigai, which also caused the spiritual power of the shinigami inside it to deteriorate, along with his creation of the Hōgyoku" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisuke_Urahara If we trust good old wiki that is).
Actually, that was also mentioned by Aizen in chapter 175 of the manga.

"However... in the past... he created a gigai completely undetectable and for this, he was exiled from Soul Society."

So rather than trusting wiki, it's more like how much we can trust what Aizen said based on the information he was able to dig up. After all, it could have been taken down in the history books that Urahara was exiled for the gigai as a cover-up for the fact that he was exiled for creating the Hougyoku. So...salt all around!


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Old 2006-10-30, 06:10   Link #29
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where else can he be from if not from SS?? o.O
he might be have been using a gigai all that time on earth (like urahara) for all we know
Or, he could just be a human, like Ichigo, with shinigami powers. Maybe you're right: he could have been using a gigai all along and was indeed from Soul Society. However, unless there is any evidence to support this up to this point, it is safe to assume that Kurosaki Isshin is a human from Earth who may have had similar interactions with soul society/hollows as Ichigo has.
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Old 2006-10-30, 13:29   Link #30
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I think it's safe to assume this information is correct and he was indeed exiled for this Gigai and not for the Hougyoku. There are some points to support this:
  • He was exiled about 100 years ago (mabe 110 or 120), while the creation of the Hogyoku should date around 140 years ago.
  • He had the time to develop this Gigai afterwards
  • They probably didn't want the public to get to know of the Hogyoku, therefore they couldn't exile him for it. Besides he already saw himself that it was a mistake and got rid of it, therefore there shouldn't be a need to exile him, because he didn't break any law and made up for his mistake. But In the case of the Gigai he seemed to be insistent to keep his invention.
  • Aizen did a lot of research on Urahara and the Hougyoku in the closed archives of the administration; if Urahara indeed got exiled for the Hougyoku, using a cover-up, he should have already known it by the time he gave his explanation.
I agree that it is most probably the correct reason for Urahara's exile. However, being as that it came from Aizen, there are those who may doubt its validity. So I was just throwing it [another reason he could have been exiled] out there for those people... hence the "salt all around" (re: take it with a grain of salt) statement.
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Old 2006-10-30, 16:53   Link #31
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I would second Dark here and throw a Question at you all , not contradicting but a simple question .

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How is a leatsu inhibiting Gigai dangerous to well being of Sendai no Gotei or even Seireitei
Its just inhibits leatsu of a shingami, then merging with the user's soul stripping her/him of shinigami powers . Also its untraceable due leatsu inhibition (ie Rukia ) . How can that remotely effect well being of SS as compared to Hogyoku . Is that good enough of a reason to banish/exile somone that to a Taicho rank Officer
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Old 2006-10-30, 18:27   Link #32
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In that account SS sucks.

+ There's no info on who actually set that (Rukia's execution controlled by Aizen & not the big-important-ass-people-room EXAMPLE)
maybe at that time it was really extremely "inconvenient" for somebody on the top there for an untracable, power-striping gigai to exist. or maybe they thew urahara out because he put laxitives (for scientific research of course) in all his is experimental soul-candy
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Old 2006-10-30, 18:36   Link #33
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or maybe they thew urahara out because he put laxitives (for scientific research of course) in all his is experimental soul-candy
huh laxatives .. the only two types of candy Urahara ever invented are Space candy and Gikongan ( Soul Candy )

Laxatives == Joke Daiyo ?
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Old 2006-10-30, 23:06   Link #34
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Not sure if anyone have mentioned this before, but is it me or does Ganju and Isshin look alike? I mean, besides the beard and different eyebrows, they pretty much have a similar face structure. Both have that mark on their noses also.
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Old 2006-10-31, 00:03   Link #35
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Not sure if anyone have mentioned this before, but is it me or does Ganju and Isshin look alike? I mean, besides the beard and different eyebrows, they pretty much have a similar face structure. Both have that mark on their noses also.
I can see it. Then again, ever since Isshin was exposed, my theory has been that he's either a Shiba sibling or their father.

If he's related, I'd say his absence could be a huge part of why the Shiba household was disgraced.
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Old 2006-10-31, 00:08   Link #36
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And my theory is that he is related to the royal family which has been out of contact for centuries. That's the great thing about not having any actual information. You can come up with any theories you like without worrying about being contradicted.
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Old 2006-10-31, 00:34   Link #37
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And my theory is that he is related to the royal family which has been out of contact for centuries. That's the great thing about not having any actual information. You can come up with any theories you like without worrying about being contradicted.
I would like to combine NSW theory with a new theory put forward by Usagi . Well if Isshin has taken Kurosaki name from Masaki. That makes more sense for Isshin to go unheard of or even Ichigo . Isshin is from Royal Family but hiding with an alias Kurosaki
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Old 2006-10-31, 04:20   Link #38
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I actually like the theory of Isshin being the King, but it sound sooooo unreal, cause then Ichi would be a prince, I dunno why but it just sounds ridiculous to me. I still say he should have been the horse
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his absence could be a huge part of why the Shiba household was disgraced.
they could have fallen out of grace for various reasons... but this seems like a possible development (I still don't belive what somebody above said that Isshin is just a normal human & got his powers in some similar way as Ichigo). Does anyone know when the Shiba's have fallen out of grace?
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Old 2006-10-31, 06:33   Link #39
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I would second Dark here and throw a Question at you all , not contradicting but a simple question .



Its just inhibits leatsu of a shingami, then merging with the user's soul stripping her/him of shinigami powers . Also its untraceable due leatsu inhibition (ie Rukia ) . How can that remotely effect well being of SS as compared to Hogyoku . Is that good enough of a reason to banish/exile somone that to a Taicho rank Officer
It should have been pretty hard for Urahara to be banished for basicly doing his job. His job was to create things that would be useful in the fight againt hollows and the protection of SS. The Hogyoku was not something that he would have gotten banished for as it was a vaild line of research that could have increased the ablitys of those in SS, but was deamed to risky to use or be left out in the open and there for sealed away. Being banished for the Gigai is also odd as all in all the untraceable Gigai seems to have been a failed atempt on something that would be seen as useful in hunting hollows , unless you factor in something else. He used it, or allowed someone else to use it.

This is my theroy to try to explaine eveything. Around 100 years ago Isshin finds out that someone is after the Hogyoku, but before he can find out who and act on the information he is framed for something that is big enuff to disgrace his clan. He turns to his buddy Urahara and and escapes useing the untraceable Gigai. Urahara then has to escape himself and goes with Yoruichi, placeing them selves on a kill on sight list if they ever return to SS.

There are a lot of odd things going on in SS. Out of 13 captians only maybe 5 (old man, Shunsui, Ukitake, Unohana (maybe), Aizen(maybe)) have held the possition for more then 100 years. Its as if someone was weaking SS.
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Old 2006-10-31, 07:16   Link #40
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I think the theory about an untraceable gigai being the reason for Urahara's banishment is somewhat lacking. I think it was in CH69 when the members of the research community was gathered around Rukia's captured gigai that gave us a clue. I remember distinctly that one of the researchers exclaimed that the captured gigai was not made by anyone that's currently in Soul Society because the mere posession of that kind of skill is enough to be banished.

In that scene, they were just starting to examine the gigai and were astounded by the craftsmanship. However, there was no 'signature'. It was upon closer inspection that they found it's uniqueness. I don't remember any reference to an internal examination so they were probably still doing an examination of the gigai's external.

So, what is this 'forbidden skill'? I think it has to do with creating an anatomically correct gigai with a fully-functioning reproductive system. This would explain how Isshin (we are assuming, of course, that he was from Soul Society) could impregnate his (supposedly) human wife. For all we know, Masaki could also have been from the Soul Society and could have been using the same type of gigai as Isshin.
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