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View Poll Results: Kanon - 2006 - Episode 5 Rating
Perfect 10 40 40.40%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 40 40.40%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 12 12.12%
7 out of 10 : Good 2 2.02%
6 out of 10 : Average 4 4.04%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 1 1.01%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2006-11-03, 12:32   Link #41
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phew... i wasn't excepting THAT amount of humor, i couldn't stop bursting in laughter, especially the 2 "silent" scenes (bath : silence 10 sec +15 sec yuuichi showtime, and the 30 sec with ayu unoticed with the breakfast (i couldn't stop being amused "hey yuuichi... is it normal that ayu is there? especially for breakfast? XD"))


it was a nice surprise ^^ (as a kanon newbie, i was a bit puzzled with the slightly slow pace and a lots of mysteries around the girls (it is damn hard to avoid the "spoiler" in the generic general thread ~~)

it is too bad that KyoAni was a bit conserving the budget... the scene when yuuichi think about "Demon Hunter" was really lame (i was like : WTH is that bumping mai face all of a sudde,n, then disappear as fast as it appeared? oO )


still, it deserves a 10.
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Old 2006-11-03, 12:43   Link #42
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Well, an episode with few Ayu scenes. Even if it was few, it's pretty funnt about that breakfast scene. This episode focus more on Makoto x Yuuichi rather than Mai x Yuuichi. Still, I like those Mai moments. I guess she was just speechless because someone is talking to her other than Sayuri. Speaking of Sayuri, her laughing doesn't sound laughing at all It somehow sounds...different. Let's see....the Makoto scenes are pretty funny too like that in the bath scene when she threw everything at Yuuichi and slamming the door with her foot on it; and also that porno magazine part Yep, out of all the girls in Kanon, Makoto is getting most of Yuuichi's attitude
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Old 2006-11-03, 12:51   Link #43
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Yeah, not even the strange rainbow monster things that were in Kanon 2k2. But when the "ghost" started showing up behind Yuuichi I almost freaked.

For the Fluff. Your Asa avatar sickens me, but I love your fansubs.
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Old 2006-11-03, 14:55   Link #44
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A low Ayu scene and "uguu" count, but nevertheless it progressed her arc some. Really sad scene there.

It was nice to have progression of Mai and Makoto's arc here too.
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Shiori is being mysterious as ever in this episode. Animation really excels in her scenes imo. I guess it's because of the snow.

So, there's professionally made fakes of the real episode in circulation? Wow. That's a hardcore way to count down on distribution. So what do they look like? How can you tell that they are fakes?
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Old 2006-11-03, 15:16   Link #45
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The content can be anything and doesn't matter. It's just that when you look on winny for raws for Kanon, you get 896324 zillion hits. Several of them can be discarded due to size, but the others cannot. Here, you (or someone else) needs to download a part of it and peek whether or not it's a fake.

Through contacts, 2chan and hashdb, you need to eventually find the famous needle in the haystack - the genuine raws which are hidden by the myriads of fakes. And unlike most other shows, where you can count on finding good workable raws around 4 hours after airing, it now takes 12 hours before you can even START working on the release encode. And if you're trying to stay below 24 hours, this is a major strain on the timeline.
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Getting back to the episode itself, it's a record low for Ayu's Uguu~ count, being at one for this episode.

To be more serious, I found the snow to be animated beautifully again in this episode, paritcularly at the beginning and when Shiori picks it up. I want to see the ten-meter tall snowman now
Ayu: Not exactly enough of her to pass out the uguu~s this time around.

Shiori: I really liked how they handled Shiori this time around.
Spoiler for Shiori...:



Spoiler for Makoto:


Spoiler for Sayuri and Mai:


This one really takes the cake considering it's a major foreshadow...
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Well, those are some of my thoughts on ep 5, such as they are. Enjoy!

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Old 2006-11-03, 15:24   Link #47
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That was fun, YuuichixMakoto rule, maybe he should end up with Makoto after all. Although that is close to impossible considering the stories they have to fit in Kanon.
The Toei Makoto magazine scene was also fun.

Low Ayu scene count, heaven on earth Although the Yuuchi breakfast scene was fun

Well, it was a Makoto/Mai episode, with a bit of Nayuki/Shiori, so I suppose I should be happy Missed Kaori a bit, she looks stunning in this version
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Old 2006-11-03, 15:30   Link #48
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A low Ayu scene and "uguu" count, but nevertheless it progressed her arc some. Really sad scene there.

It was nice to have progression of Mai and Makoto's arc here too.
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Shiori is being mysterious as ever in this episode. Animation really excels in her scenes imo. I guess it's because of the snow.
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So, there's professionally made fakes of the real episode in circulation? Wow. That's a hardcore way to count down on distribution. So what do they look like? How can you tell that they are fakes?
Haha, the "professional" here that Mentar was referring to has to deal with how prolific the fakes are in the areas we get our raws. And they're fake only in that they're actually, for lack of a better way of putting it, "not Kanon". Pick an anime, pick a sentai, pick a tokusatsu, ANY of them, then slap a Kanon name on it along with some convincing-sounding specs and there you go! Some of them are obvious, like something with AAC sound in an AVI. Yeah, right. Ain't gonna happen. Some of them look accurate... until you download 'em.

Although it seems kind of odd, fighting fire with fire, though in this cae, s/fire/infringement/g.

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Old 2006-11-03, 15:41   Link #49
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Yuiichi's jokes absolutely won the episode, Makoto got a lot of improvement, but I dont think this is so good, as she may get forgotten in the later parts of the show.
Nevertheless, it was a GREAT episode.

And, LOL at Yuiichi's Fanservice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Makoto got a good sight eh!)
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Old 2006-11-03, 16:45   Link #50
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And, LOL at Yuiichi's Fanservice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Makoto got a good sight eh!)
the brain lagg that involved was insane at the bath scene they spent like 20 secs staring at each other before yuuichi asked if he can join her i bet makoto was thinking "something"
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Old 2006-11-03, 16:47   Link #51
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For some reason Sayuri's laugh in this version sounds insane.. just the way its supposed to sound - she made the episode for me.
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Old 2006-11-03, 16:51   Link #52
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What Yuuichi gave Mai at the end of the episode is store-bought onigiri, right?
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Old 2006-11-03, 17:37   Link #53
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I really like this episode! All the funny and witty remakes Yuuichi did this episode were nicely done. Gotta love Tomokazu SUGITA for voicing Yuuichi.

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Old 2006-11-03, 18:30   Link #54
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One of the best episode so far for me, all the Yuuichi, jokes, all the cute faces and moments, aaaah i'm so melting and laughing every time i watch an episode of this serie!

It's a full 10!
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Old 2006-11-03, 19:16   Link #57
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I think if there was anyone who missed Haruhi (poor unfortunate souls) and doubted that either Ishihara Tatsuya or Sugita Tomokazu could do comedy, this should dispell all doubts. That episode was hilarious. Some of the timing and delivery reminded me of School Rumble, back when it used to be funny.

But never mind Kyuuichi or the director, Makoto stole the show. I wouldn't have guessed she had the capacity for such hilarious scenes before I saw this ep. The only qualm I had was that they dampened the impact of the porn-mag joke as compared to the Toei version by not actually showing her buy the book. Other than that, every attempted joke in the two versions was much better in this one.

The story is still veeery slow. I still maintain that I wouldn't be enjoying this so much if I hadn't already seen the first Kanon. In particular, I'd imagine I wouldn't have thought highly of the demon hunting plotline revealed in this ep. I seem to remember thinking of it as one of the weaker plotlines when I first saw it all those years ago, but between then and now I've seen similar (and worse) more times than I can count. I'd imagine it would have come off as a case of "been there, done that".

But I'm slowly starting to turn towards the fact that they've really slowed down the pace of the story, since it's allowed them to flesh it and the characters out more. The character interactions were always (one of) the best things about KyoAni's Air, and I'd say it's working as a strength again here. Characters take part in seemingly pointless conversations, yet it still somehow adds to the entire progression, giving another dimension to the entire story. It's something that's not really easy to quantify, but if KyoAni's Kanon turns out anything like KyoAni's Air, then it'll be of great benefit to future eps in the series when events turn a little more dramatic.
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Old 2006-11-03, 20:02   Link #58
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Wow...I seriously dont remember the original series making me laugh as hard as this episode did.


Part of it is definitely sugita's work...His comic timing and voice where just beyond perfect this episode...made me laugh so hard for so long it literally hurt.


Overall im enjoying the remake a great deal thus far.
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Old 2006-11-03, 23:31   Link #59
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Best episode so far I think. Yuuichi is a total player XD. Also whats with all the head pats/rubs lol.
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I think this is my first 1000+ words entry on AnimeSuki. Actually watched the fansubbed Ep05 last night( this morning?), but it would have been suicidal to wrote coherent thoughts at 3am, so... yeah. On a side note, watching an episode of Kanon before lunch is likely to make you hungry... Taiyaki, Bentos, Meat Buns, etc... man. Onwards to the actual post.
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..) With the fifth dream, I am expecting that further episodes will no longer have these dream foreshadowings. My memory is fuzzy on this, but if I remember correctly, there are only five dreams. Episode 06 should be the start of the melodrama and stuff.

..) We had a moe scene of Ayu rubbing her nose in Ep02. Do girls find Yuuichi moe when he was rubbing his nose in the bathtub? Hmm... come to think of it, I have not heard much input from female viewers on Kanon. Is it because of the lack of male leads( Jun doesn't really count)?

..) We get to see the more 'paternal' side of Yuuichi with regards to Makoto in this episode. For all his complaints about Makoto's dangerousness, he still shows concern for her well-being and even tucks her in.

..) It was never explained in the game, but man... where does Akiko get all her money from? A spacious double-storey bungalow. Able to support 2 freeloaders along with the occasional Ayu visit. Giving Makoto an allowance. Does she have a diamond mine in the basement or something? Come to think of it... we never get to see the basement. Of course... the easiest answer would be that she is a Black Widow. Kudos, if you get it.

..) Loved the comic transition from when Akiko mentioned Ayu's energeticness, followed shortly by a pan to Nayuki...

..) Speaking of Nayuki, I love the jokes about her being a drug addict. Hmm... an athlete taking drugs, and getting drowsy from the side effects as a result. Heh. As one caption puts it, "Mmm... crack..."

..) Shiori the Stalker. Dun-dun dun-DUN!

..) Ep05 resolves the mystery of the eating mat from Ep02.

..) Establishment of Mai as a big eater.

..) Yuuichi was seriously working his mojo in this episode. I mean, barely seconds after parting with Mai and Sayuri, he was already charming Shiori. Poor Nayuki.

..) Yuuichi now has more money to spend on bribery thanks to Sayuri's offer of free lunch. He's so lucky. Free breakfast, free lunch, free dinner. No wonder he has loads of cash to spend on mysterious girls. Not to mention Akiko's generosity...

..) I noticed that there were a lot of still layers( mainly the background) in this episode, and for the first time in recent memory, KyoAni recycled frames( GASP! HORROR!). Fortunately, the recycled scene was used for comedic effect( I am referring to the two scenes of Makoto barging into Yuuichi's room followed by her tantrum), so it was not groan-inducing unlike the clipshow that was Gundam SEED Destiny.

The still layers also indicates that KyoAni is conserving a lot of budget. I do not mind this actually. I rather have beautifully drawn still layers than atrociously animated frames( *cough*Crescent*cough*Love*cough*).

These budget saving methods have also given me confidence that when the time comes to animate the pivotal scenes in Kanon, it will be a sight to behold. I imagine that the budget for Kanon is huge due to KyoAni's resume and past successes, so the money has to be going somewhere.

..) How much money did Akiko give Makoto to buy tofu? I mean... she had enough to buy meat buns and stacks of manga.

..) Akiko has the heart of Jesus. Yuuichi is the cynical John.

..) What did Yuuichi mean by the creepy mood is perfect?

..) Yuuichi pats Ayu and Shiori. Do people really head-pat in Japan? It just seems so surreal.

..) Fun with out of context screenshots,

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..) So what attracts Yuuichi to these girls? And what attracts the girls to Yuuichi? The answer? Violence and Food respectively.

Think about it. Ayu headbutts Yuuichi all the time, Makoto is constantly threatening his life, and Mai swings a sword around him. Man, he must have really been turned on by Mai's violent ramming of him into the school wall to make him ignore Nayuki and return to the school in the dead of the night just to give her some Onigiri. He constantly teases Ayu all the time, but you know he's just acting and secretly thinks she's hot for smashing her face into his body all the time. Makoto? Look at how tender he was when he tucked her into her bed. That washbasin smack to his face must have been a turning point in his opinion of her.

See? This is why Nayuki is constantly being ignored. She doesn't smack Yuuichi around enough. She needs to treat Yuuichi like how Louise treats Saito. Just one kick to his nuts and I guarantee you that even if the other girls dress up as Bunny-Girls or naked-apron Meidos, Yuuichi would be too blinded by love for Nayuki. Crush Yuuichi's balls for the sake of your love, Nayuki!

How about Shiori then? Too young, but she will serve nicely as an Imouto-chan for future servings. Yuuichi shall groom her first, before unleashing his S&M fetishes on her when she matures enough.

Okay, so we have established Yuuichi's reasons for being attracted to these girls. How does he win them over then?

It's simple. Bribery, through food.

He feeds Ayu Taiyaki, introduces Makoto to meat buns, and various foodstuff to Mai. This is also an extension of his S&M fetish, as he gets to play out the role of a servant serving food to his masters. The girls, violent as they are, must be thrilled by this servitude from Yuuichi. Just wait and see. He will be serving food to Shiori soon enough.

Do you see Yuuichi giving food to Nayuki? Again, no! Unleash the beast within you, Nayuki! Whip Yuuichi into submission!
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