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Old 2006-12-24, 22:14   Link #261
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only time will tell, by logic based upon the historic natural of the console market, the PS3 will drop in price. How long do we have to wait, until the price reach one that society will find at a reasonable cost? Is another matter.

In fact, it could be that the life cycle of the PS3 will be so long that eventually the economy will be the one which will rise to make the PS3 current price reasonable....which i really hope so, as it implies a fortunate future.

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I'm still on the fence as to decide wether all this HD thing is just a fade. (hey, people find the wiimote gimmicky, why not HD?)

After all, we always had HD on our PC monitors....

anyway, until they bring out a number of games that takes the advantage of the PS3 potential, is a better bet then waiting for the PS3 to drop in price.

The only problem is, if you want to play a game at HD with nice graphics, you'll end up spending as much on the rig as you would on buying an actual HDTV.

That's one of the funny things I find about gamers, though. A lot of PC gamers don't hesitate to drop 400+ on a graphics card alone, but they balk when they see the PS3 costing around the same.
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Old 2006-12-25, 06:12   Link #262
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I haven't heard anyone say that the PS3 won't last as long as the other consoles. Few people doubt that the PS3 will be a force in the market, but it's very easy to see why it will likely not hold the same sort of unrivaled support that the PS2 did. I doubt Sony honestly expects it to.
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Old 2006-12-25, 07:10   Link #263
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Right now, PS3 is just as same as a pre-maturely born baby that needs a lot of intensive care. But given time with plenty of attention, and that attention is the attention from the consumers and the game developers, that baby will grow to a healthy child, then to fully mature and god-like adult like Xbox 360 is now.
Which emphasises how it isn't that good. None of the other consoles needed 'intensive care' this or the previous generation.
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Old 2006-12-25, 10:26   Link #264
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Which emphasises how it isn't that good. None of the other consoles needed 'intensive care' this or the previous generation.
I hope you aren't talking about the console itself because PS3 is a damn fine machine . It has few problems at the moment because of production issues and the price point is kinda high but you'd have to be living in the moon to even think that PS3 wouldn't do just fine, even this generation. Playstation brand itself will sell them 10 million consoles no doubt. This coming from a Xbox360 owner, so don't try to tell me I'm some sony fanboy.

PS2 launch was the same as PS3 launch, only fewer consoles were available for PS3. PS2 launch was horrible to say the least.
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Old 2006-12-25, 16:58   Link #265
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Which emphasises how it isn't that good. None of the other consoles needed 'intensive care' this or the previous generation.
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I hope you aren't talking about the console itself because PS3 is a damn fine machine . It has few problems at the moment because of production issues and the price point is kinda high but you'd have to be living in the moon to even think that PS3 wouldn't do just fine, even this generation. Playstation brand itself will sell them 10 million consoles no doubt. This coming from a Xbox360 owner, so don't try to tell me I'm some sony fanboy.

PS2 launch was the same as PS3 launch, only fewer consoles were available for PS3. PS2 launch was horrible to say the least.
@Benoit: Sorry for the confusion. I seem to have chosen the wrong words. What I meant to say is that what PS3 needs is time. Like I said, great things doesn't happen overnight. Whether PS3 will be the best of the three (Xbox 360, Wii and PS3 itself) is still questionable and, again I stress this, we need at least a year for the answer to appear.

@Sankari: I really would like to know if the PS2 launch was actually horrible or not on '01. However, it's predicted that PS2 will outsell it's bigger and powerful brother, the PS3, until it's final sale in few years.
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Old 2006-12-25, 17:57   Link #266
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In my opinion, I don't think the PS3 will last.

I work at gamestop, and we've had 2 defective PS3's and 4 people returning their PS3's. There was one guy who brought one back that said it melted his Final fantasy 12. and one guy actually traded in a 20gig system, we gave him 350 dollars store credit for it.

But who knows, in a years time the PS3 could be king and the 360 and Wii will flop.

I'm still holding off on which system to get. I'm enjoying my DS and PS2 atm. :P
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Old 2006-12-26, 11:47   Link #267
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I haven't heard of any other consoles returned around here. But stop for a moment and think about the launch of the 360. It was horrible when it came out. It had power supply problems, over heating problems, backwards-compatibility problems galore! Now, mircosoft has fixed most of the problems, and it is doing better. The PS3 hasn't as many issues as the 360 had. Provided Sony fixes production problems, which it seems they have, and maybe add an extra fan to cool it better, and that should be about it. I can say that where my PS3 runs hot, it's not nearly as hot as some laptops and definitely not hot enough to melt a game. That was probably an honestly defective system and not a common issue. Either that or the guy could have put it inside an entertainment center located against a wall with a heating vent on it. I'd say that it would definitely get hot then:)
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Old 2006-12-26, 13:16   Link #268
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Indeed, first generation consoles always seem to have all sorts of weird problems.

The disc-melting seems interesting though. That Blu-Ray laser must be pretty high-powered ;O
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Old 2006-12-27, 00:30   Link #269
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For today

3 PS3's brought back.

And we got our shipment today, five 60gigs, not one sold.

I dunno how it is else where, but around where I live no one wants them.
I think people are waiting for a price drop, and also the people returning them are people who couldn't make profit on ebay.
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Old 2006-12-27, 01:18   Link #270
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@Zhemos: What I'm waiting for, not only a price drop, but a combo deal. In other words, when you go to buy Xbox 360 now, you have a chance to buy the Premium version of the 360 with two additional games in a package under $550 in Canadian dollars.

If Sony can come up with that after PS3's 1st launch anniversary, I'd be even more happy to get one myself for Christmas.
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Old 2006-12-27, 01:55   Link #271
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You talking about the Futureshop or Futurestop Deal, Knightmare? Man that thing is a steal, lol. Friend of mine drove up there and bought it back in November when they were offering 3 games with it.

I'm sure come same time next year, they will have some sort of PS3 deal like that. MS will drop its price next year, and Nintendo is already $250, but they could do the same as well( Highly doubt it doh) So I feel come next Fall, Sony's going to have to issue a good type of bundle in order to keep interest up. Since that $500-600 price tag sticks out like a sore thumb. I know alot of my friends want one, but they aren't going to pay more than $300 for it. So they're all waiting till it hits that price point. Question is, just how long is that going to take. They still haven't issued one for the PSP, despite the fact that DS continues to outsell it.


Anyway some positive news, did anyone download the GT:HD demo they released couple days ago? Thought it was pretty good for the most part, was real impressed with the replays, but actual gameplay wasn't as great as I thought it would. Still it was a free download so thats good, despite the fact that it was a complete pain in the ass trying to download it. All the Sony network problems they were having, but its all good. Thats what you get for free service, lol.
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Old 2006-12-27, 18:00   Link #272
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The PS3 will see a drop in price. It happens to every console. I sincerely doubt we'll see a price drop before a minimum of one year. That's bare minimum, and very optimistic. Two years is more reasonable.

I'm also severely skeptical that the PS3 will have a life span longer than previous consoles. Second-guessing technology almost never succeeds. In 4-5 years when we see consoles with graphics on par or better than the PS3's, with standard controllers like the Wii's, and a price point significantly lower, Sony won't sit content with the belief that the market will stay with the PS3.
the funny thing about that second guessing tech... is that you got second guess no matter what, for both supporting and attacking the PS3...

Well, i gotta disagree with somethings here, like where we may or may not be in the next 4-5 years... For one thing, the 360 is only about 4-5 years older than the xbox, it's graphically more powerful but it costs about $100 more... if this trend continues, then in 4-5 years, just to make a more graphically more powerful system will cost about $500... another thing to take into account is blueray/hddvd; if one of those starts to become mainstream, even for game developers, than the next xbox may have an added $100-$200 cost... in other words, the next xbox will more than likely cost as much if not more than want the PS3 currently costs... ofcourse by then the PS3 will probably have experienced a few price drops... So really, in 4-5 years, the ps3 will be competing against an xbox that is graphically stronger, more expensive and has no game library other than whats on the the 360...

Ps3 will have even more advantage if blueray/hddvd go mainstream... since the ps3 already supports blueray, it only needs to worry about graphics... the ps3 has some high graphical strength as it is, and even if, in 4-5 years, the next Xbox is even stronger graphically, i can't help but feel that the new graphical strength will not be big enough to stop the PS3 (really, how much graphically stronger can the next system really be?)... If the graphical power of isn't big enough, the Ps3 might be able to coast through and suvive the next generation(4-5 years form now) long enough so that it may not bcome out of date till the next, next generation, in about 10 years from now... This could be what Sony has been thinking, since i recall them boasting that the PS3 would have a life span of 10 years before it became out of date

however, blueray was still a bit of gamble... if blueray flops, and HDdvd becomes the overall excepted medium, by game developers and the movie industry alike... it may cause some serious damage to the PS3 in the long run... bascially forceing sony to come up with a new system, not out of needed to make something more power, but to make something supports HDdvd instead of blueray... though if Sony could somehow may an hddvd attachment, kinda like what the 360 did, that could used for both games and movies, the ps3 might be able to save itself...

grant it, this is all second guessing tech... so it may not pan out this way
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Old 2006-12-28, 07:32   Link #273
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There is educated supposition about technology trends over a relatively short term time span, and then there's bold statements about the future of technology 10 years hence. For a very long time now videogame generations have lasted pretty much 5 years, with several consoles enjoying a year or so of decent support into the next generation.

The 360 is a hundred dollars more expensive than the original Xbox, but the original Xbox was not trying to push a new console generation a year sooner than it otherwise would have come. The 360 came out 4 years after the original, while most console generations last about 5. A year can change a lot. Not only better tech, but more inexpensive ways of achieving better results (hence the redesigned NES, Sega Genesis, and the Slim PS2)

There is also the issue that significantly more impressive 3D graphics are getting more and more difficult to attain. This means more expensive hardware if you hope to continue releasing consoles within a 4-5 year time frame. If graphics are the only thing you're interested in, that would indeed suggest either longer console life spans, or more expensive new consoles.

However, several things. The success of the PS2, the DS, and the bright looking launch of the Wii (or alternatively the relative failures of the Neo*Geo, Dreamcast, Gamecube,and Xbox. Or even more complex, the failure of the Saturn) show beyond a doubt that graphics power alone does not determine a successful console.

It's really not hard to imagine Nintendo releasing a console with graphics on par with the 360 or PS3 for $300, using a Wii-like controller, in 4-5 years, and Microsoft releasing a console with better than PS3 graphics with a Wii-like controller for $400-600.

That's not including any possible leaps in graphics technology that may or may not occur in that time. This is simply itteration and streamlining current technology.

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another thing to take into account is blueray/hddvd; if one of those starts to become mainstream, even for game developers, than the next xbox may have an added $100-$200 cost...
You forget, if either becomes the industry standard as DVD had, then in 4-5 years it will be significantly less costly to implement those media formats into a gaming machine. Sony chose to implement BluRay despite it being such a new technology because they hope to force it into the position of industry standard. The graphics capabilities of the PS3 alone do not warrant the added price above that of the 360. By then, BluRay/HD-DVD may well be in the position DVD was when Sony chose to include DVD capabilities into the PS2. The PS2 launched at a modest $300. Here we are a generation later and you can practically pull DVD players out of cereal boxes.

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So really, in 4-5 years, the ps3 will be competing against an xbox that is graphically stronger, more expensive and has no game library other than whats on the the 360...
And, ignoring all of the above, you can really make this identical statement about any new console generation. Yet new console generations continue to appear, and people continue to buy into them.

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Statements like these, when made by the famous, often become the source of derisive humour 4-5 years later.

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grant it, this is all second guessing tech... so it may not pan out this way
Second guessing, or educated guessing. One thing that is true, though, is that it remains impossible to completely see the future and know with 100% accuracy what will occure in the coming years. Nothing is black and white in this world, and what happens is the culmination of many individual occurances leading up to them, which in turn leads to many other occurances. All we can do is see what has come before, what is happening presently, and see where that is likly to lead.
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Old 2006-12-28, 12:49   Link #274
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I haven't bought ps 3 cuz it costs 1164$ in my country and its way tooo expensive but i dunno anything special about it lol cuz none of my frnds have it
and its like complete mystery to me about how it works and etc
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Old 2006-12-28, 17:30   Link #275
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it runs on gremlins

Its great, as long as you don't feed it or let it touch water, or it will melt your disc, and give you zero profit
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Old 2006-12-29, 18:58   Link #276
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I'm not sure if anyone figured this out yet but I found the reason for the pixel problem situation with the ps3 backward compatibility.


First I've tried connecting my ps3 with different cables from component to composite to HDMI on a LCD HDTV (the ps3 games came out looking great on LCD HDTV). The backward compatibility (ps2 & ps1) screen came out horrible but with great colors.

Next I tried using a CRT TV, the screen was like it should be, no pixel problems there. But my CRT doesn't have a HDMI connector so I've only used component and composite cables. Looks like original ps2 quality.

My conclusion, CRT TV is still better than LCD and Plasma although it's big and bulky (I would recommend CRT HDTV but I haven't tried that yet so I don't know how the pictures will come out).

I guess the other problem that were known was the network problem, can't seem to figure that one yet. But I'm on that case as well (using different routers and connections but always gets kicked off about 5 mins in).


Hmm... as for heating problems, it does get hot and steamy but I've played my ps3 for like 8 hours straight one time and the disc didn't melt. Although I don't like the whole disc in slot thing, it's starting to leave little scratches on my games, not like the ps2 flip the lid (or eject the tray) and gently place it in .

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I forgot to mention that I've also tried connecting my ps2 with component and composite cables to the LCD HDTV, the pixel came out looking horrible (just like playing it on the ps3). So it's really the TV selection that's at fault, at least for me. If anyone figure out a different reason feel free to let me know.

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Old 2006-12-30, 08:03   Link #277
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Honestly I wouldn't expect a price drop or deal from Sony any time soon, they are LOSING MONEY for each PS3 that's sold, so right now until it costs a heck of a lot less for it to be made (to the point where they actually make money each time it's sold) I wouldn't count on a price drop.

Not to mention that Sony is really dependent on the PS3's success as a company in general, this last year they've lost a crapload of money thanks to the battery recall, not to mention lawsuits with it's controller and other things, honestly PS3 may very well kill Sony... or perhaps some company would buy Sony out... Either way though, I highly doubt that the PS3 will end up getting Sony out of trouble...
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I'm not sure if anyone figured this out yet but I found the reason for the pixel problem situation with the ps3 backward compatibility.
First I've tried connecting my ps3 with different cables from component to composite to HDMI on a LCD HDTV (the ps3 games came out looking great on LCD HDTV). The backward compatibility (ps2 & ps1) screen came out horrible but with great colors.
Next I tried using a CRT TV, the screen was like it should be, no pixel problems there. But my CRT doesn't have a HDMI connector so I've only used component and composite cables. Looks like original ps2 quality.
My conclusion, CRT TV is still better than LCD and Plasma although it's big and bulky (I would recommend CRT HDTV but I haven't tried that yet so I don't know how the pictures will come out).
That could be the reason my PS2 games look great because I use a tube. I also have heard that you can change the output resolution on your PS3. This may help too.
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I guess the other problem that were known was the network problem, can't seem to figure that one yet. But I'm on that case as well (using different routers and connections but always gets kicked off about 5 mins in).
As far as I know, there is nothing wrong with your setup on that one, just poor network servers on Sony's end. The same thing happens to me. It took me three times to download a demo. But I did get it downloaded, it just took a couple connection attempts. Having Sony get their PSN working correctly would be a big plus.
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Hmm... as for heating problems, it does get hot and steamy but I've played my ps3 for like 8 hours straight one time and the disc didn't melt. Although I don't like the whole disc in slot thing, it's starting to leave little scratches on my games, not like the ps2 flip the lid (or eject the tray) and gently place it in .
Hmm, I haven't noticed the scratches, but I definitely will check. As for the overheating. I left mine on two nights ago to download something because I _had_ to go to bed and then rushed to work the next day and then did some stuff, and, well, left my PS3 on for about a day and a half. No problems. Whoo!

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Honestly I wouldn't expect a price drop or deal from Sony any time soon, they are LOSING MONEY for each PS3 that's sold, so right now until it costs a heck of a lot less for it to be made (to the point where they actually make money each time it's sold) I wouldn't count on a price drop.

Not to mention that Sony is really dependent on the PS3's success as a company in general, this last year they've lost a crapload of money thanks to the battery recall, not to mention lawsuits with it's controller and other things, honestly PS3 may very well kill Sony... or perhaps some company would buy Sony out... Either way though, I highly doubt that the PS3 will end up getting Sony out of trouble...
Sony's success does not depend on the PS3. That is only a part of their company. They have plenty of other products to float them if the PS3 fails. If you didn't know, most of the video game consoles cost money to make when they are initially put on the market. Well, the Wii didn't, but it uses a processor that is almost the equivalent of an N64, so, we won't count them:) It takes a year or two for them to be able to break even, then make a small profit. Most of the money made is on game sales. It doesn't matter if you lose money on one thing, if you make it back tenfold on something else. Basic business principle.
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unfortunately for Sony, it isn't making "tenfold" on it's other products.

To say Sony financial future is entirely depending on the success of the PS3 is a lie, but to say it isn't is equally deceptive.

Sony is placing a big stake on the PS3, if the ps3 fails, Sony is going to suffer some very harsh and lean times, even now, there are debates that even if the ps3 take back the market share, Soy is still due for a hard financial future, due to the increase competition in all its core markets and the consequences of the battery recall fiasco.
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you have to pity them in some sense, because Sony really did mess up the PR for the ps3, which in retrospect to it's other problem isn't so bad, but if you take that in account, Sony won't remember 2006 as a happy memory....
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I think it's safe to say that Sony is taking BIG hits right now, even from Japanese devs.

From http://kotaku.com/
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Along with the news that the next Dragon Quest title will be made for the DS, comes the news that the franchise's first next-gen title, DRAGON QUEST SWORDS: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors, will be developed for the Wii.

Executive Producer, Yuu Miyake, feels the Wii is a perfect partner for Dragon Quest:

We believe (Dragon Quest's) appeal lies in simplicity that anyone can enjoy, and the excitement of becoming a hero in an epic adventure. With the Nintendo Wii, we believe that these aspects of the DRAGON QUEST experience can be taken to a whole new level of fun and interaction

DRAGON QUEST SWORDS: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors has no set release date as of yet, but thanks to the folks over at WorthPlaying, we have a bunch of new screens from the upcoming opus.

Check out all 20 here:
'Dragon Quest Swords' (Wii) - 20 New Screens
Still no word of a full-featured DQ for PS3 or PS2 yet :O
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