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View Poll Results: Kanon - 2006 - Episode 14 Rating
Perfect 10 133 70.37%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 43 22.75%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 10 5.29%
7 out of 10 : Good 2 1.06%
6 out of 10 : Average 0 0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 1 0.53%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2007-01-05, 01:19   Link #21
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Zaris, let me assure you that mobile phone existed in Japan even before 1995, and were in use. Mail services were available during 1998 actually. NTT DoCoMo was one of the key groups involved in the development of mobile phone. They took over the PHS business during 1998 and have digital network since 1993. Mobile internet service started in 1998-99 as well.

Leaving that aside... I am quite surprised at the pacing. Episode 14 does not feel like a 20 minute segment at all, and I felt drained coming out of it. It went by like a whirlwind for me. I couldn't shake off recollection of AIR in this episode throughout its entirety.
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However, mobile phones weren't very common in the 90s (and frankly I don't know what they called them in Japan - "keitai" is the modern word for cell phone in Japan). That's the word Ayu didn't recognize. I can certainly see... whoops, spoiler time (avoid unless you've seen 2002 or played the game)
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Old 2007-01-05, 01:54   Link #23
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So what does it mean when Mai says "Sayuri-san no koto ga suki. Dai-suki dakara..."? (Literal translation: "I like Sayuri-san. Because I really like her...") I won't answer this. I'll leave it to you guys instead and comment other people's responses if I have something to say. I've said a lot already. heh
It's rather "Daisuki, dakara..." - I love her, so... (that's why I was so nasty to her a minute ago, to keep her out of this)
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Old 2007-01-05, 02:33   Link #24
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Thelastguardian,

I don't think Kyoani cut that much out and it managed to get across what was needed. A lot of the things were already implied within Sayuri's dialogue (also I think it was brilliant how Sayuri's voice changed slightly when she talked about her past, because this is the first time that we get to hear/see the REAL Sayuri, and not the pretended happy Sayuri that we see on screen, great kudos to Kawakami Tomoko), there really is not much more need to have to draw everything out. In fact, too much information sometimes can backfire and cheapen the effect, especially when taking a visual novel scene (where a player can control his reading speed) vs an animated scene, where timing of the overall delivery is crucial, IMO Kyoani struck a pretty good balance overall in this, even coming from the angle as a player of the game.

Ep15 will see the background of Mai's story, something which the Toei version really dropped the ball on, so I'm looking forward to how Kyoani can pull it off.
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Old 2007-01-05, 02:46   Link #25
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Old 2007-01-05, 02:59   Link #26
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So what does it mean when Mai says "Sayuri-san no koto ga suki. Dai-suki dakara..."? (Literal translation: "I like Sayuri-san. Because I really like her...") I won't answer this. I'll leave it to you guys instead and comment other people's responses if I have something to say. I've said a lot already. heh
It's impossible to translate directly, but basically she first says she likes Sayuri-san. The second part is her going back to revise what she said, from "like" to "really like". At the end, she adds "dakara", which the English equivilent would be "…so, ". It's to represent that she did something(context given during the show), because she likes Sayuri-san.

As for the episode itself… it's odd. I've already watched the older anime, so I knew what was coming up for most of the story. This episode was the exception. Since the last anime aired quite a while ago, I picked up on alot of story details that was not present in the anime from fans. Finally seeing those story details from an official source was quite amazing to see.

The first minute. I love how Nayuki suddenly wakes up to the mention of the jam. I saw this scene coming from a mile away and yet it still gets me. Also at how the two act as if it's literally going to be death for Ayu(especially Yuuichi's little narrative). Even a reused joke was executed masterfully.

Also, "kirin-san" is the best thing ever.
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Old 2007-01-05, 03:11   Link #27
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The second part is pretty clear, Dai-suki dakara is as
"(I) love (her) because/'which-explains' .... (why I bit her head off - to chase her away so she'll be safe).

How she means love *I* take to mean spiritually soul-bonded but I'm sure other interpretations can run amuck.

I'll admit a major "duh" though... I'm scratching my head at "Sayuri-san no koto" mostly because I can't figure out any alternate meaning for koto outside of a musical instrument. Is Mai being unusually poetic or do I just have lousy dictionary access?

edit: wow.. sprocket-waffle was *really* fast today, they have ep 14 out (drat, still downloading something else...)
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Nah, Vexx, your dictionary can't be bad. The 'koto' that Mai was using was the kanji '事', which literally means "thing, experience, circumstance". Mai basically meant she liked "the thing about Sayuri-san", but you can take it as just "Sayuri-san" as well. It's not uncommon for JP people to add this kanji in speech when they refer to particular nouns.

「私はサユリさんの事が好き。大好きだから…」

But yes, you're right. How you take their relationship may also depend on our own definition of like and love. It's just perplexing to see different anime use different words to say or mean the same thing. = |
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Old 2007-01-05, 04:11   Link #29
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(light dawns....) bleh ... I forgot to crosscheck against kanji, was just using the JP-ENG phonetic dictionary I have. Annnnd suddenly I remember my teacher using that phrase once or twice in class last session... d'oh. I guess I'm getting better at this, I could read 「私はサユリさんの事が好き。大好きだから…」 without blinking.
Time for bed methinks.
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Old 2007-01-05, 05:10   Link #30
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So what does it mean when Mai says "Sayuri-san no koto ga suki. Dai-suki dakara..."? (Literal translation: "I like Sayuri-san. Because I really like her...") I won't answer this. I'll leave it to you guys instead and comment other people's responses if I have something to say. I've said a lot already. heh
She's simply repeating it for emphasis, nothing more. The line could be translated into something like "I love Sayuri-san. I really do, that's why..."

Of course, the love here refers to friendship love.

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I don't think Kyoani cut that much out and it managed to get across what was needed. A lot of the things were already implied within Sayuri's dialogue (also I think it was brilliant how Sayuri's voice changed slightly when she talked about her past, because this is the first time that we get to hear/see the REAL Sayuri, and not the pretended happy Sayuri that we see on screen, great kudos to Kawakami Tomoko), there really is not much more need to have to draw everything out. In fact, too much information sometimes can backfire and cheapen the effect, especially when taking a visual novel scene (where a player can control his reading speed) vs an animated scene, where timing of the overall delivery is crucial, IMO Kyoani struck a pretty good balance overall in this, even coming from the angle as a player of the game.
I feel pretty much the same way. Like I said in my first post, it's true Kyoani had to pick up their pace somewhat, and inevitably, some of the details were lost (especially since we're talking about a sub heroine story here). But that doesn't change the fact that this episode was still some 20 odd minutes of meaningful animation, right?
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Old 2007-01-05, 06:27   Link #31
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*cough* aye... another 10 *cough* let's see

1) the very first scene is again, another comedy gold... i was bursting in laughter with the special "horror" effect on Akiko's glory gesture with the jam and nayuki's sudden awakening with the words "special jam"
I couldn't refrain myself saying "Rest In Peace Ayu...", even more dramatic with both nayuki and yuuichi's thoughts, especially with THAT amount of jam (and the creepy sound of it...akiko has one of the absolute torture tool XD)... heck, wasn't there even more than matoko's share in the ep 7 ?

2) nayuki's gift... i must say i was caught offguard with that thing coming from nayuki. kudos for KyoAni for this subtle way to reveal even more yuuichi's memories, confirming definitavely some link he had previously.

3) I dunno if it is because some sakuga irregularity or such, but at the scene of the lunch, Mai's face was kinda... nicer/cuter than usual while talking about sayuri being late, such like a pet waiting for its beloved master. (maybe i am imagining things...)
It was even more surprising that she would accept playing shiritori. It appears that she is becoming even more open to yuuichi <3

4) More points for yuuichi : he DOES realize that nayuki would be worried about him !

5) serious training... again more humour around... RIP yuuchi XD (i'm wondering how he was able to take back his sit for the rest of the day ). interesting note : yuuichi DOES have some confidence as a man XD

6) Sayuri, when she tripped, reminds me of Misuzu when she fell, while buying some juice for Yukito...(same expression, same "whoa ! ", and same clumsy yet cute face)

7) more mai character development ! when mai had shown how she overpowered sayuri, i was like "WTH are you doing oO" just like yuuichi, but the BGM recall me that there is indeed a reason for this. She is plain awkward... (but it gives her even more points <3 first reason why this episode deserved a 10)

8) Sayuri's past... it explains a lot, i can't do anything but agree with what was said earlier : original way to tell a sorrowful past, lots of depths, etc (second reason why this episode deserved a 10)

9) Things are now dead serious... can't deny the fact that i was like "you shouldn't, sayuri !". the sudden silence and black screen were perfect (maybe it should be slightly longer, like 0.5s-1s ?)
Impressive face expressions and seyuu performance for the speechless and despaired moments.

10) mai's breakdown... ok, while the demolition show was a bit exagerrated (high jump, things being slashed just like butter), it shows how far was mai's rage and sorrow. The twist in the usual mai's theme increased a lot in the mood, while the seyuu, again, made a "god-like" (no joking) job here, my hat off to Yukari Tomura. (the whole scene is the third reason for a 10)

Not only it adds so much in mai's character, but also the relationship between the three of them.


Can't wait the next episode for some kick demon asses.
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Good catch. I thought it was weird that they decided to zoom into her wrist like that, but she covered it rather quickly so I missed it.

I just had to give this one a 10. The bit of comedy at the beginning with Akiko's special jam was good comic relief for all the drama afterwards.

It's a good thing they included Sayuri's confession, because I no longer need to wonder why she never seems to laugh naturally. But wow, that scene at the end was incredibly freaky, (actually, those demons remind me of those monsters in Bleach 'cause of the water and all) not to mention the look on Mai's face after falling to the ground...

By the way, Yuuichi seems to have gained superhuman strength. Did you notice how high he knocked Mai's sword into the air?
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~ By the way, Yuuichi seems to have gained superhuman strength. Did you notice how high he knocked Mai's sword into the air?
Yuuichi gained superhuman strength? What about Mai? She is either wielding a Wh40k Power-Sword, or has the strength of a Demi-God to smash those stuff up.

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WOW. If I weren't so hard-hearted I would have been broken down in tears by 19:, but alas, I still have some problems with this episode.

First, Sayuri's past seemingly came out of nowhere. I thought we were Mai-centric. However, it did flow good into the next part XspoilersX.

Second, the comedy/drama transitions aren't done quite well throughout THE WHOLE SERIES. In my opinion, they really need to work on this, because I am still more impressed with Rozen Maiden's transitions (weird, eh?) from its comedy to drama/fighting. As much as Akiko's jam-mu is funny, I couldn't get into Sayuri's story without thinking how Ayu will react to it.

Other than that, if only it was perfect, I'd be crying with Mai right now. Technic score: 9/10.
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rofl lets see...
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solid 10 in my books...
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Mai's intentions for doing that are obviously not bad; she is Mai's best friend after all. Mai just did that to try to keep her from getting hurt (again). Granted, the method she used was rather awkward, but perhaps she isn't able to express her concern for Sayuri in any other way.
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This episode receives a 10, the first of all the episodes to get a 10 from me.

Great stuff.
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Mai's intentions for doing that are obviously not bad; she is Mai's best friend after all. Mai just did that to try to keep her from getting hurt (again). Granted, the method she used was rather awkward, but perhaps she isn't able to express her concern for Sayuri in any other way.
yep i know that and what makes her so shocked to see...was sayuri getting hurt again O.o and quite seriously no doubt...but like i said that incident has now opened mai up and to release her emotions ~ in the form of blind fury and anger...
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Words about Sayuri...
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Words about Yuuichi...
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In other notes about Mai...
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And as for the "I like Sayuri" line, we had subbed it as "I care for Sayuri. I really do. That's why..." as it made the most sense context-wise. I feel that going by "I like Sayuri" or "I love Sayuri" has always been ambiguous, as Yuuichi had also said the same thing in episode 13 with the "Sayuri and I care for you!" line.

Of course though, that brings up the matter of Sayuri telling her little brother that she loves him so much, which we left alone. That would be along the lines of, "we don't treat you like a friend, we treat you like our own" sort of thing. The word "love" would definitely work here more. Same holds true for Makoto, as Yuuichi had accepted her as family rather than just a friend or random bystander eating away at his food.
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Words about Sayuri...
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the difference is :
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it's rather normal i think :
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