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***xris*** · 2006-11-15, 12:06

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djc89 · 2007-01-25, 01:59

Delete this if I am right...I don't want to ruin it for anyone >_>.

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psycho bolt · 2007-01-25, 12:57

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Delete this if I am right...I don't want to ruin it for anyone >_>.

Spoiler for Maybe...:

My question is are the memories erased permantly, forever? Or if she recieves the DN again, her memories will return?

Spoiler for speculation:

We still don't know what's his plan is to release Misa. All we can asume is that Misa lost her memories and will be confused with L's interegation. That means L and Light are basically tied again.

Anyways, for L bondaging Misa up? I think thats agreable because remember Waturi was in the same room as her. L, still doesn't know about Death Notes.

Fome · 2007-01-27, 15:49

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**monir** · 2007-01-27, 18:30

I have a few questions regarding Fome's observation:

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Wouldn't that raise some suspicion about Misa, suddenly, not knowing anyting? She has been pretty tight lipped all this time from L's point of view. She has also begged them to kill her, almost as if, she would rather die than talk. Now, when she genuinely displays signs of not knowing anything due to her sudden amnesia, wouldn't that raise some eyebrows? L also seemed to notice that Misa's loose hair in front of her forehead lifted itself up for a brief second.

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But it was said in front of Sochiru and others that, when the two-Kira's meet together, an attempt on his life will happen. It was also understood that original Kira will also be using the copy-cat Kira to kill L. Since the lesser Kira is now in custody, perhaps, the attempt to kill L will be delayed?

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I confess, I'm confused.

Light has already pointed out that even if the police catches them, they won't be able to do anything if there is no Death Note. I believe what ever evidence the police are getting, don't amount to much. They have to prove Light or Misa did infact kill those people. So my question is: what physical evidence?

psycho bolt · 2007-01-27, 21:23

L pretty much wins and loses. Like the clues that Monir mentioned. And what Fome said, Misa will lose her memories and that won't help L. L also got some physical evidence such as the videotape and Misa's clothes from the disguise.

So this brings up that L will eventually have to let Misa go. I know L wants to keep her still, but now that Misa knows nothing he has little choice. There won't be any gain to keep her locked up since she permantly lost her memories. This brings bad reputation with L, but maybe L has a higher authority that would keep her lock up. I think L is already conviced she is the second kira. Now the question is how will he be able to capture the main Kira.

**monir** · 2007-01-27, 23:23

I see! That is a possibility. It will be interesting to find out how exactly Light will execute his plan to jolt L in any manner. L is still the power figure where this investigation is concerned. Light is a mere consultant if you will. Good explanation! Really looking forward to the next episode now.

**Skyfall** · 2007-01-28, 16:08

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Wouldn't that raise some suspicion about Misa, suddenly, not knowing anyting? She has been pretty tight lipped all this time from L's point of view. She has also begged them to kill her, almost as if, she would rather die than talk. Now, when she genuinely displays signs of not knowing anything due to her sudden amnesia, wouldn't that raise some eyebrows? L also seemed to notice that Misa's loose hair in front of her forehead lifted itself up for a brief second.

Well, she never admited that she knows anything, so that part would not change anything... the reason she begged to be killed because she could not stand the condition she was in (being denied water(and most likely food as well) for 3 days, + other things Watari had been doing to her...

it seems much more like "Kill me, because i can't take it" than "kill me, because i won't talk anyway".

**monir** · 2007-01-28, 17:02

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Well, she never admited that she knows anything, so that part would not change anything... the reason she begged to be killed because she could not stand the condition she was in (being denied water(and most likely food as well) for 3 days,

I'll have to rewatch episode 15, but I believe a statement from the episode mentions that Misa hasn't eaten anything! It seems to indicate that she has been given food, but she chooses not to eat.

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+ other things Watari had been doing to her...

I'll keep my imagination in check since I tend to run away with it to a dark corner. There was also a mention of S&M doujin in the episode discussion thread.

Either way, I'm starting to believe Watari is capable of anything L wants of him, although I still can't see it as a physical torture from the way it was presented in the episode. She is most definitely under a lot of strain, but that burden of strain seems to be affecting her psyche more than anything. Probably she understands she will break down sooner or later which is why her plea to Rem was to kill her. Rem was able to calm her down once Misa was provided with the alternate solution where she would willingly give up her notebook, and as a result, would erase her memory.

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it seems much more like "Kill me, because i can't take it" than "kill me, because i won't talk anyway".

This is a very good point. We can interpret those spoken words in various manner as to how it is heard from L's perspective. At this point, I suppose any interpretation to those spoken words are correct.

**Skyfall** · 2007-01-28, 17:43

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I'll keep my imagination in check since I tend to run away with it to a dark corner. There was also a mention of S&M doujin in the episode discussion thread.

Either way, I'm starting to believe Watari is capable of anything L wants of him, although I still can't see it as a physical torture from the way it was presented in the episode.

*cough*

Well, we saw him putting on gloves, while standing next to a table with various chemicals... what those were is any one's guess, but i am willing to bet all i have, and then some, on the fact that he was not about to prepare a refreshing drink for her

Remember - L said to do anything to make her talk, minus killing her... so while it probably is not physical torture, i bet those chemicals are definitely not something a doctor would recommend you.

Lendial · 2007-01-28, 18:53

torturing her was an awful thing to do, she is just drunk with love. who knew the old man was capable of bondage and and injections on a little girl

. towards the end light says "goodbye ryuuk", does this mean what i think it means.

Jaden · 2007-02-06, 12:52

Hey, yo, I just thought of something crazy. Now that Light lost all memories about the Death Note, there's a chance that he will fail to retrieve it, or when he gets the chance to retrieve it, choose not to. Which means that Light could turn good! Unlikely, but it could happen? yesno?

smeg4brainsuk · 2007-02-06, 15:02

I considered that and as cool as the idea of Light/L working together to find what they think is the real Kira (but who is in fact the 3rd,4th,5th,etc... kira) i dont see this as something Light would ever want. Even before he received the death note he had an idea of what the world should be like which lead him to becoming Kira. All in all i would expect him to somehow find the book again and start all over

So with that in mind its why i reckon he has some fail safe in mind and it will kick in soon. How soon? no idea, could be next episode or maybe 10 episodes down the line.

Well thats my theory anyway

psycho bolt · 2007-02-14, 23:57

All I can speculate now, after the tone down of the suspense in the last episodes, is that there will be some big twist that will come to shock us all. I am asumming that the creator will purposely do this. When will this happen? Probably now for awhile. But I think around episode 26 or almost near the end like 30. It is inevitable that Light will recieve his Death Note back as I assume he had a plan before he told Ryukk to leave. Or else, why would Rem give the Death Note to those Corperation guys?

A very crazy assumption that I came up would be that most of the events right now are stringed or part of Light's plan to get his Death Note back. Very paranoid, eh? You can say Light have already foreseen everything. Right now L, is already getting a bad feeling of finding the Kira, I assume he thinks it is a trap. Thus, he lost some motivation. While Light purposely left his motivation of finding Kira for himself. However, L is still comencing the search because nothing will reveal itself unless he gets to work.

And then my friend told me that if you know all the rules of Death Note you can almost predict Light's plan. I stayed back from looking it up because I don't want spoiliers.

Ah, I love speculation. I love seeing what I got right and wrong.

rem · 2007-02-27, 02:21

What I've been wondering is if Light will still be able to see Rem, since he touched Misa's Death Note, even though he's forgotten about his own. And will Misa still be able to see Ryuk after touching Light's Note? I'm thinking that somehow one of the Death Gods will trigger some major plot twist... I'm hoping that happens, because the series has slowed and dumbed down waaaay too much in the last several episodes!

Quajafrie · 2007-03-03, 11:37

Light gave up on Misa's Death Note, and also his Death Note, so he can't remember anything about them.

psycho bolt · 2007-03-07, 19:35

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What I've been wondering is if Light will still be able to see Rem, since he touched Misa's Death Note, even though he's forgotten about his own. And will Misa still be able to see Ryuk after touching Light's Note? I'm thinking that somehow one of the Death Gods will trigger some major plot twist... I'm hoping that happens, because the series has slowed and dumbed down waaaay too much in the last several episodes!

seems like you're right about the Death God triggering a plot twist. Very surprsing.

rem · 2007-03-08, 01:01

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Originally Posted by psycho bolt

seems like you're right about the Death God triggering a plot twist. Very surprsing.

I'm kind of surprised myself

But I couldn't think of any other way that the chars could be reunited with their respective Death Notes... Am curious to see if Light gets his back.

Keirn · 2007-04-10, 00:37

This is jumping way ahead, I know, but I think the way the anime will end is that Misa will kill Light. And he deserves it if she does. Although I think Light is good, I still hate how he manipulates someone who loves him (Misa), and has no feelings for her but pretends he does. But from the last few episodes I kinda had the feeling that he was developing some feelings for Misa... so I dunno >.<

2006-11-15, 12:06	Link #1
*xris* Just call me Ojisan AnimeSuki Site Staff Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: U.K. Hampshire	Death Note - Speculation & Theories (for first time viewers) This thread is aimed at first time viewers of Death Note and its purpose is to allow spoiler free speculation and theories to be aired. Having them in a central location may help focus the discussion instead of spreading speculation over the various episode discussion threads. If you are knowledgeable of the manga and wish to speculate or discuss theories, then please do not post in this thread (use the Death Note - Spoilers & Speculation thread) and do not give away any spoilers in this thread! Acceptable post topics Personal theories, speculation, guesses and such. No spoiler tags required. Posting magazine previews (such as from Animage). Spoiler tags required. Unacceptable post topics Any form of spoiler from Death Note manga. Please make sure you use spoiler tags when making posts concerning the second topic above! Also provide where the source of such speculation come from if at all possible (i.e. "Animeage") and identify any spoiler tags with the use of the subject title (see the paragraph below how to do this). Untagged spoilers are risking a ban for the poster as will any unacceptable speculation or facts from the Death Note manga. Please use the Report button if you see any unmarked spoilers. If you don't know how to use a spoiler tag, please read the BB Code FAQ. Spoiler tag examples [spoiler] Text to be hidden [/spoiler] becomes Spoiler: Text to be hidden [spoiler=subject title] Text to be hidden [/spoiler] becomes Spoiler for subject title: Text to be hidden Finally, please remain on-topic and do not use this thread if it's just discussion about the current or previous episodes.

2007-01-25, 01:59	Link #2
djc89 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006	Delete this if I am right...I don't want to ruin it for anyone >_>. Spoiler for Maybe...: Judging from the Light's final words in this ep + preview for the next...I have a feeling that Light will also "forget about the DN" and be put in interrogation. Of course, he will probably come up with some plan to reclaim his lost memories. I've also been thinking about exactly what memories are lost when Misa is relieved of her DN. Does she remember why she is all bound up? Does she remember that Light is her "boyfriend?" Does she remember that Light has a friend "named" Ryuga Hideki? Or is it just like she'll have no idea what happened between the time she received her DN to the time she gave it back?

2007-01-27, 15:49	Link #4
Fome Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Spoiler: I wonder to what extent will Misa's memories be erased. It's not like everything that has happened from the time she found the death note will just disappear. She'd be completely confused ("Why am I tied up? Why is the date like several weeks ahead of the last day i remember?"). Perhaps Rem will give her artificial memories? Despite the fact the L nearly clinched Light in this episode, I'm fairly certain that L has set up his own undoing. When he interrogates Misa, she will know nothing, making L appear rash to Yagami for having confined and tortured her. Additionally, since Light didn't kill L yet, as L warned would happen, his father will believe even more that his son cannot be Kira. Though L knows fairly well that Light is Kira, all his physical evidence has just been shredded. Meanwhile he's about to lose the trust of the police, and his guise of being Light's friend is completely gone. L has nowhere to go but downhill from here.

2007-01-27, 23:23	Link #7
monir cho~ kakkoii Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 3rd Planet	I see! That is a possibility. It will be interesting to find out how exactly Light will execute his plan to jolt L in any manner. L is still the power figure where this investigation is concerned. Light is a mere consultant if you will. Good explanation! Really looking forward to the next episode now. __________________ Pick-up lines! And Solace. Sig by TheEroKing. Space Brothers Executive member of the ASS. Ready to flee at the first sign of trouble.

2007-02-06, 12:52	Link #12
Jaden Witch of Betrayal Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 25	Hey, yo, I just thought of something crazy. Now that Light lost all memories about the Death Note, there's a chance that he will fail to retrieve it, or when he gets the chance to retrieve it, choose not to. Which means that Light could turn good! Unlikely, but it could happen? yesno? __________________

2007-01-27, 21:23	Link #6
psycho bolt Cowmaster Join Date: Nov 2006	L pretty much wins and loses. Like the clues that Monir mentioned. And what Fome said, Misa will lose her memories and that won't help L. L also got some physical evidence such as the videotape and Misa's clothes from the disguise. So this brings up that L will eventually have to let Misa go. I know L wants to keep her still, but now that Misa knows nothing he has little choice. There won't be any gain to keep her locked up since she permantly lost her memories. This brings bad reputation with L, but maybe L has a higher authority that would keep her lock up. I think L is already conviced she is the second kira. Now the question is how will he be able to capture the main Kira.

2007-01-28, 18:53	Link #11
Lendial Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	torturing her was an awful thing to do, she is just drunk with love. who knew the old man was capable of bondage and and injections on a little girl . towards the end light says "goodbye ryuuk", does this mean what i think it means.

2007-02-06, 15:02	Link #13
smeg4brainsuk Ayanami's Concubine Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bosom's of the almighty Goddess Age: 27	I considered that and as cool as the idea of Light/L working together to find what they think is the real Kira (but who is in fact the 3rd,4th,5th,etc... kira) i dont see this as something Light would ever want. Even before he received the death note he had an idea of what the world should be like which lead him to becoming Kira. All in all i would expect him to somehow find the book again and start all over So with that in mind its why i reckon he has some fail safe in mind and it will kick in soon. How soon? no idea, could be next episode or maybe 10 episodes down the line. Well thats my theory anyway __________________

2007-02-14, 23:57	Link #14
psycho bolt Cowmaster Join Date: Nov 2006	All I can speculate now, after the tone down of the suspense in the last episodes, is that there will be some big twist that will come to shock us all. I am asumming that the creator will purposely do this. When will this happen? Probably now for awhile. But I think around episode 26 or almost near the end like 30. It is inevitable that Light will recieve his Death Note back as I assume he had a plan before he told Ryukk to leave. Or else, why would Rem give the Death Note to those Corperation guys? A very crazy assumption that I came up would be that most of the events right now are stringed or part of Light's plan to get his Death Note back. Very paranoid, eh? You can say Light have already foreseen everything. Right now L, is already getting a bad feeling of finding the Kira, I assume he thinks it is a trap. Thus, he lost some motivation. While Light purposely left his motivation of finding Kira for himself. However, L is still comencing the search because nothing will reveal itself unless he gets to work. And then my friend told me that if you know all the rules of Death Note you can almost predict Light's plan. I stayed back from looking it up because I don't want spoiliers. Ah, I love speculation. I love seeing what I got right and wrong. Last edited by psycho bolt; 2007-02-15 at 11:41.

2007-02-27, 02:21	Link #15
rem Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Glorious Bay Area	What I've been wondering is if Light will still be able to see Rem, since he touched Misa's Death Note, even though he's forgotten about his own. And will Misa still be able to see Ryuk after touching Light's Note? I'm thinking that somehow one of the Death Gods will trigger some major plot twist... I'm hoping that happens, because the series has slowed and dumbed down waaaay too much in the last several episodes!

2007-03-03, 11:37	Link #16
Quajafrie Not here anymore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 21	Light gave up on Misa's Death Note, and also his Death Note, so he can't remember anything about them.

2007-04-10, 00:37	Link #19
Keirn Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Canada Age: 23	This is jumping way ahead, I know, but I think the way the anime will end is that Misa will kill Light. And he deserves it if she does. Although I think Light is good, I still hate how he manipulates someone who loves him (Misa), and has no feelings for her but pretends he does. But from the last few episodes I kinda had the feeling that he was developing some feelings for Misa... so I dunno >.<