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Old 2007-02-23, 17:17   Link #61
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mm..true. but i got a feeling the North American continent has a 40% chance of been nuked and anywhere in between or in Asia at a funny 10%

Well the only problem here is that Britannian science is only now discovering the benefits of nuclear energy. They don't even have internal combustion or gunpowder for that matter...

I'll be posting the 2nd part of my uber analysis later today probably, look forward to it!
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Old 2007-02-23, 19:27   Link #62
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Well the only problem here is that Britannian science is only now discovering the benefits of nuclear energy. They don't even have internal combustion or gunpowder for that matter...
Don't be rediculous, of course they have gunpowder. you cannot have shell ejecting, explosive projectile weapons without discovering smokeless powder for the ammunition.
We just know that they have laser/particle beam technology and the respective "shield" type, able to repel physical as well energy weapons.

As for internal conbustion engine, i haven't seen anything to suggest they have not discovered it.

unless i've missed some very obvious evidence that the current vehicles are not based upon internal combustion engines? even the discover of electric diesel, or alternative LPG emission vehicles are based on the common engine block design.

unless they are turbine/electric based? if they had discovered turbine technology first, hence jet engines, they could easily adapt it to vehicles, as we see in Tanks, alternator electric motors are not complicated, at the beginning of the Great War submarines had electric motors that were at leased 20-30% efficient.
considering that todays electric motors are at best 70%, its not hard to imagine 30yrs+ of accelerated technological research would advance it, after all it would be used in kinghtmares.
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Old 2007-02-24, 04:18   Link #63
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On a side note, the only reason because europeans country have give up there colonies why because the president of USA of that time requested it (in order to make them weaker).

If USA doesn't exist, then that request would not be made. Therefore, Britania and France would keep their colonies.


That makes sense because they say that Britania has conquered the third of the world. And North America is definitively not the third of the world...
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Old 2007-02-24, 05:30   Link #64
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Don't be rediculous, of course they have gunpowder. you cannot have shell ejecting, explosive projectile weapons without discovering smokeless powder for the ammunition.
We just know that they have laser/particle beam technology and the respective "shield" type, able to repel physical as well energy weapons.

As for internal conbustion engine, i haven't seen anything to suggest they have not discovered it.

unless i've missed some very obvious evidence that the current vehicles are not based upon internal combustion engines? even the discover of electric diesel, or alternative LPG emission vehicles are based on the common engine block design.

unless they are turbine/electric based? if they had discovered turbine technology first, hence jet engines, they could easily adapt it to vehicles, as we see in Tanks, alternator electric motors are not complicated, at the beginning of the Great War submarines had electric motors that were at leased 20-30% efficient.
considering that todays electric motors are at best 70%, its not hard to imagine 30yrs+ of accelerated technological research would advance it, after all it would be used in kinghtmares.
Well, I found this out some one of those uber spoiler places, of whose reliability I cannot say for myself. But supposedly the DVD1 came with a diagram/blueprint for a Britannian gun run by some kind of motor, and if the gunpowder thing is true then the blueprints would have shown us how. Internal combustion and how it isn't present in Code Geass is way beyond me, and I'm not gonna even try to rationalize that until Sunrise gives us a better explanation.

The continuation for my analysis on Geass history will have to wait till later I suppose, my internets are being weird right now. It'll semi-address the presence of what would have been the United States, but instead more along the lines of "crap we lost against Europe let's flee to the American continents" kind of deal.

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Old 2007-02-24, 06:03   Link #65
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They obviously do have explosives. As for the internal combustion - it must've been replaced by an alternative much better (sakuradite?) power source already. And using it in guns is an obvious choice, as that provides one with a far greater ammo capacity.
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Old 2007-02-24, 06:22   Link #66
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They obviously do have explosives. As for the internal combustion - it must've been replaced by an alternative much better (sakuradite?) power source already. And using it in guns is an obvious choice, as that provides one with a far greater ammo capacity.
Indeed, small mobile military walking-mecha like the Knightmare simply could not be powered by combustion engines. Thus, if we assumed that an alternate compact engine exists for Knightmares, it is easy to believe that the said imaginary engine system was developed in preference to those run on fossil fuels for both military and civilian hardware. I suspect it to be the rechargeable or swappable battery system and electric motor. Fuel cells perhaps?

After all, there was a time when electric cars were considered more practical and reliable than petrol cars.
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Old 2007-02-24, 10:08   Link #67
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After all, there was a time when electric cars were considered more practical and reliable than petrol cars.
You have a point there, while some people may be or may not be aware is that the concept of fuel cell was discovered in 1838 by a German scientist, but it was only in 1959 when a British inventor created a 5kW fuel cell, then an improved version which went to 15kW. (Germany thinks, British Makes, oh the irony!)

So if we take that in account, it is quite possible that the vehicles we see on the civilian market could very well be Fuel Cell.

Then we move onto 1960's where a 200kW fuel cell was used for the space program, while we have no evidence to suggest any sort of space exploration in Code geass world, that technology is more the enough to be modified for vehicle if there were no competitive and widely distributed internal combustion engine.
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Old 2007-02-26, 03:30   Link #68
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Time to perform some thread necromancy.

Looks like (please notice the emphasis on 'looks', as I can't read/speak Japanese), after all, there isn't any gunpowder on Britannian arms. The old-fashioned handguns displayed here (and featured on the Code Geass DVD-1 extras) have some sort of electric/electronic contraption replacing the bolt carrier group, making the weapon some sort of miniature railgun or Gaussian gun.



It sort of explains why the Japanese, despite having Kongo-class warships and Leopard 2-type MBTs (Main Battle Tanks), still have pistols that look like WWII model-offshoots, and why the Britannian police still have Webley revolvers instead of more modern and higher capacity, Walther P99-lookalikes. They simply don't need the modern handgun architecture (although I wonder why they don't lose the revolver design...a modern pistol's magazine actually can have double more capacity than a cylinder can ever hold).
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Old 2007-02-26, 05:45   Link #69
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Ah, now I see.

Gunpower does exist in Code Geass, but it has fallen out of favour historically due to room temperature superconductor developments, allowing a variety of rail/gauss weapons to be efficently and practically produced and marketed.

It's like the bow and arrow; archery still exists in our world, we just don't use it as a common weapon any more.

(Oh, for people wondering; technologically we already have several potential designs for similar weapons, but it isn't as yet possible because the magnetic circuits would overheat and destroys itself either before or after a single shot.)
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Old 2007-03-04, 05:39   Link #70
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Hate to doublepost, but it's been a while and my new point isn't related to the previous post...

As we all know, Code Geass has a weird history similar yet different from our own.

So now with the latest episode 19, the Chinese Federation bared its fangs.

Why the Chinese though?

Looking at the Code Geass map, you would realise that the Chinese Federation encompasses the entire Russian landmass!!

How is that possible?

Now, let's face it. Conquering Russia is no joke. Hitler tried it, and Napoleon tried it. Both ran home to mama with their frost-bitten tails between their legs.

So how could it be done in an alternate history?

One name. Genghis Khan.

The Mongolian Horde were the only army I know of that managed to invade and keep Russia. (Part of the reason being they were as used to the cold as the Russians were.) They were also Asian to boot, which help the theory. If Genghis Khan's empire didn't collapse and break apart like what happened in our world, but instead formed one big country, then the Chinese Federation can be a believable name. The point being Russian identity never blossomed, as they were absorbed by China.

If my theory is correct though, then the CF might be more unified and powerful than previously believed. Instead of several countries recently united as a defense against Britannia, it might be one big country that was around for more than 700 years.

This means of course, Area 11 is now stuck between a rock and a hard place. Woops.
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Old 2007-03-04, 17:35   Link #71
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you have a good point.

But as we have discussed about the map, it may or may not be as accurate as we believe.

We don't have any sufficient information to believe the Chinese Federation, include portion of Western Russian Siberian geography nor any of Thailand, Cambodia & Malaysian Archipelago.
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Old 2007-03-05, 14:41   Link #72
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Cecilia mentionned a battle against EU then can we assume that the empire has some kind of territory between EU in Chinese federation ?

If it's the case, that would explain why she want to return there as fast as possible....
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Old 2007-03-05, 14:49   Link #73
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Did they ever mention the European Union? That is a relatively new term to categorize the countries that are part of the pact.
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Old 2007-03-05, 19:33   Link #74
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i do not believe the theory of the chinese federation being descendants of the mongolian horde could be true.

firstly it was said that in the chinese federation has a policy of equal rights.
this is a direct hint to a communist china.
secondly because it is very very unlikely that equal rights could have been developed out of the tribal/feudal system the mongols had.
and thirdly because it seems the history only went majorly different after 16th century (or even later). by that time the mongolian thread was already pretty much over.

and if the chinese federation was under mongol rule, it would more likely have been namend mongol federation.

it would be much more probable, that after russia and china became communist states, they made some sort of union, with china as the more influencial part.
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Old 2007-03-05, 21:19   Link #75
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i do not believe the theory of the chinese federation being descendants of the mongolian horde could be true.

firstly it was said that in the chinese federation has a policy of equal rights.
this is a direct hint to a communist china.
secondly because it is very very unlikely that equal rights could have been developed out of the tribal/feudal system the mongols had.
and thirdly because it seems the history only went majorly different after 16th century (or even later). by that time the mongolian thread was already pretty much over.

and if the chinese federation was under mongol rule, it would more likely have been namend mongol federation.

it would be much more probable, that after Russia and china became communist states, they made some sort of union, with china as the more influential part.
You see, it is exactly because I don't believe China could be more influential than Russia that I rejected that idea.

The Mongolian Empire in our world fragmented and collapsed. I am not suggesting that the empire was kept in the Code Geass world, but that the general shape of the country was maintained even after a change in leadership when the Mongols lose power. Lenin, for example, could still have been born. Instead of the Russian Tsar, we would have an alternate royal family that ruled over the entire empire, and Socialism arised anyway and took over the country later on.
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Old 2007-03-06, 04:56   Link #76
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It's just me or just after seen episode 18 i was wondering if Nina Einstein is related to the famous Einstein? their works about the nuclear are very similar, no?
Just wondering how Japan didn't get invaded before the Brittania's one...
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Old 2007-03-06, 05:22   Link #77
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You see, it is exactly because I don't believe China could be more influential than Russia that I rejected that idea.

The Mongolian Empire in our world fragmented and collapsed. I am not suggesting that the empire was kept in the Code Geass world, but that the general shape of the country was maintained even after a change in leadership when the Mongols lose power. Lenin, for example, could still have been born. Instead of the Russian Tsar, we would have an alternate royal family that ruled over the entire empire, and Socialism arised anyway and took over the country later on.

alright, that might be possible.
however it is also possible, that china is the leading culture in asia.
because its power was just declining after china went into isolation during the 15th century. right before that it had the largest fleet in the world, traveling through the southern asian oceans. if it had not abandoned its policy of expansion and did not isolate it is also quiet possible that china maintained the leading status in asia.
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Actually the EU is more similar to Communism. (or is that socialism? I'm no expert on political science)

But the E.U is mentioned as a union which promotes "equal wealth" .

Equal rights is for the Chinese Federation, so if we take that in context, Chinese Federation could very well be a Democratic or Republic.
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Old 2007-03-06, 06:31   Link #79
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yes equal wealth is a even stronger hint at communism/socialism than equal rights because as you said equal rights might also be promoted by a democratic state.
however it was said by the emperor the chinese federation made their citizens equal = communism and the eeu their policies = democracy
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true communist policy also dictates equal "policies"

democracy on the other hand is not necessarily so, as long as the majority of the people can vote, the policy can distribute the wealth unequally, or other matters, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of the masses to vote.

That's democracy.

But we are talking in absolute things, that cannot be applied to a real world.

IMHO the Chinese Federations seems like either a liberal democracy or a Semi-Democratic state with a ruling oligarchy (similar to the USA)

While the E.U. is more of a Socialist/Socialist with representative Democracy, (Like Germany) but this is all speculation.
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