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Old 2007-03-08, 21:26   Link #21
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I don't like repeating other people's words, but...


aFlipGuy: The movie itself is only faithful to F.Miller's comic book, not the battle that occurred 2,000 years ago.

I was lucky enough to see the glimpse of the interview of Frank Miller regarding his work. He said that ever since he was a child, the Battle of T. always amazed him. He had various ideas of how he wanted to portray the Spartans (as heroes and Persians as the bad guys).

I guess that's why some of the Persian historians were offended by the movie. It completely portrays the Persians as some kind of a barbaric tribe with lustful girls and freaky looking monster soldiers. It's weird that Persians during those times were this completely civilized people, who, I think, rivaled the Roman and Greek civilization.
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Old 2007-03-08, 21:40   Link #22
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i'd look at the persians as the bad guys for trying to take over the world. would you welcome other nations to just come over to your country and let them take charge of it?

um....i'm pretty sure the movie thats i saw pretty much gave me the gist of the battle that occured 2000 years ago.

ofcourse there were some alteration since it is also based on F Miller's comic book. he was pretty accurate w/ the history.
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Old 2007-03-08, 22:02   Link #23
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That really could have used a spoiler tag. T_T It kind of deflated the movie for me.
Uhh, I'm sorry? I haven't seen the movie - how could I spoil it? Out of respect for you I'll put it in a spoiler tag, but I fail to see how posting actual historical accounts of the battle is a spoiler.
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kayos: I've heard of the battle, but I've been avoiding the details because I heard this movie was coming out. He also makes references to the movie in the post.
Umm, only to point out who people in the trailer are - again, I'm sorry for spoiling events from a couple of thousand years ago for you. I have now gone in and spoiler-tagged all of my posts (since all of them contained spoilers).
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Old 2007-03-08, 22:07   Link #24
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Alright, I won't argue that the Persians were seen as the bad guys in the movie, the comic book, etc. because the entire Greco-Persian War started because the Persians wanted more land. Now, the reason of wanting more land could be disputed with two major reasons:

1. The Persians wanted to unify the entire earth, therefore eliminating war between nations (but is not having a war at all possible?).
2. The Persians wanted more land because they felt the need to (if they followed this reason, they would be the bad guys).


Also, how Frank Miller physically portrayed the Persians in the comic book, and how they are portrayed in the movie, may be highly inaccurate. According to the historians, the Persian civilization was highly advanced (as much as the Greeks and the Romans, or more) during those times thanks to King Xerxes' father, King Darius. I'm probably sure that F. Miller wanted to portray the Persians as the bad guys. That's probably why he drew them in a way so that it would disgust the readers when they see how barbaric the Persians are in the comic book.
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Old 2007-03-08, 22:12   Link #25
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well either way, you wont be dissapointed w/ the movie. fighting scenes were done really well....man i'd definately watch it again
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Old 2007-03-08, 22:28   Link #26
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I never said that I will be, did I? I had never been excited about a single movie since LOTR: The Return of the King.

How the movie was produced is quite amazing. While the actors and extras were forced to fight each other (all make-believe acting and choreographing, of course) while they were in either a blue or green background. It would've been tough for the actors, but it would have been another challenge that the actors had to pull through to make a kick-ass movie.
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Old 2007-03-08, 22:31   Link #27
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Also, how Frank Miller physically portrayed the Persians in the comic book, and how they are portrayed in the movie, may be highly inaccurate. According to the historians, the Persian civilization was highly advanced (as much as the Greeks and the Romans, or more) during those times thanks to King Xerxes' father, King Darius. I'm probably sure that F. Miller wanted to portray the Persians as the bad guys. That's probably why he drew them in a way so that it would disgust the readers when they see how barbaric the Persians are in the comic book.
Spoiler for it all gets spoilers now:


And I found out the IMAX in Dallas actually has seats for the Sunday showing. I can't decide if I want to watch it tomorrow night or wait for Sunday in the IMAX.

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Old 2007-03-09, 00:19   Link #28
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Seeing it at midnight. I dont think i could wait, because someone else would probably spoil it for me. IMAX is nice, but the difference to me isnt that great from the theaters we have near me.
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Old 2007-03-09, 03:56   Link #29
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Misrepresenting the enemy is an old tool..... The Romans did a serious whack job propaganda rush on the Kelts when they were expanding and consolidating their lands. Makes sense from a Greek view to portray the Persians as scary people --

ultimate spoiler: the source battle happened thousands of years ago... everyone is dead.
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Old 2007-03-09, 04:46   Link #30
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ultimate spoiler: the source battle happened thousands of years ago... everyone is dead.
DAMMIT Vexx!!!!

I was hoping to go see it today but now you just ruined the conclusion, thanks alot.
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Old 2007-03-09, 08:04   Link #31
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I was excited when I first heard that the Battle of Thermopylae is going to filmed, I was expecting some historical drama what I love, like Gladiator, Troy or Kingdom of Heaven, and that battle offers a plenty of that. But to make that to somekind of popcorn movie is just...
Well, it won't come here until April, so maybe I will go to see it. I should just forgot the history and enjoy the ride.

I knew how Troy and Kingdom of Heaven were going to end, so it is not that important, I went to see those because I wanted to see how the events are portrayed.
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Old 2007-03-09, 13:05   Link #32
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Misrepresenting the enemy is an old tool..... The Romans did a serious whack job propaganda rush on the Kelts when they were expanding and consolidating their lands. Makes sense from a Greek view to portray the Persians as scary people --

ultimate spoiler: the source battle happened thousands of years ago... everyone is dead.
I believe it's spelled "Celts".

Anyway, like you said, this movie is just Herodotus/Miller's artistic portrayal of the battle and nothing else. It's supposed to be faithful to the "artistically exaggerated" graphic novel, not the historical event itself, and I would be going to watch this movie from this perspective, and not from a history buff perspective, which I did when watching Kingdom of Heaven.

More Sparta trivia: Spartans live and die by their shields. Before they go off to battle, each warrior's wife would personally hand their husband their shields and say, "You return with this, or you return (dead) on this." Meaning they have to come back alive with the shield, or die in battle with their comrades carrying their body on the shield back to Sparta. Anyone who loses their shield is deemed an outcast.

Speaking of Spartans, when is the undead slashing Spartan from God of War going to return in the sequel?
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Old 2007-03-09, 14:01   Link #33
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Saw it, liked it, that is all.


My husband was grinning through half the movie

Just keep in mind it's a movie, not a documentary hehehe

I'm forced to watch enough of the History channel thanks to hubby.
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Old 2007-03-09, 15:25   Link #34
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i saw the movie last saturday at a movie premiere =D

the action was done really well

as for the history part...i thought they didnt do a bad job since most of it were true.

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i thought they were pretty accurate w/ historical events.

i really dont wanna say more because it would suck if i gave it away.

has anyone read Gates of Fire? it was about the 300 spartans at thermopylea...the story is prolly more accurate than the movie 300 when it came to historical facts but if you love the movie, i suggest you pick up the book also for more spartan action =D
I have! Many times. It's one of my favs. Can't wait to see this movie. And I know for a fact I'm going to think I am a Spartan for a good couple of days afterwards. lol
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Old 2007-03-09, 16:03   Link #35
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Speaking of Spartans, when is the undead slashing Spartan from God of War going to return in the sequel?
13th of March.
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Old 2007-03-09, 19:15   Link #36
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That so got me God of War pumped.
I really wish they had more fighting in it is my major compliant. They jumped around to much and mushed too much together.
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Old 2007-03-09, 19:57   Link #37
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I am really confused by all the people in this thread talking about how this movie or the books or other movies are "inaccurate". How do you know? There is no reliable historical source for the events. This movie could very well be exactly accurate. (Okay, probably not, but you see my point.) I've read a good portion of the historical sources surrounding the Battle, and I'm personally fairly impressed with Miller's devotion to the widely-accepted historical sources. I'm just saying, don't throw around words like "accurate" or "inaccurate" when they're meaningless.
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Old 2007-03-09, 20:32   Link #38
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I am really confused by all the people in this thread talking about how this movie or the books or other movies are "inaccurate". How do you know? There is no reliable historical source for the events. This movie could very well be exactly accurate. (Okay, probably not, but you see my point.) I've read a good portion of the historical sources surrounding the Battle, and I'm personally fairly impressed with Miller's devotion to the widely-accepted historical sources. I'm just saying, don't throw around words like "accurate" or "inaccurate" when they're meaningless.
Well, there's a limit to what may be possible... and that's maybe what many historians think. It's been stated before in the thread about how enlarged the numbers could be done by the post-battle. History is written by the winners . If the Spartan king said 300 Spartans beat a million Persians, it'd have a much bigger political impact than saying 300 Spartan plus 7,000 Greek reinforcements beat 200,000 Persians... you get what I mean.
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Old 2007-03-09, 20:53   Link #39
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I am really confused by all the people in this thread talking about how this movie or the books or other movies are "inaccurate". I'm just saying, don't throw around words like "accurate" or "inaccurate" when they're meaningless.
Of course, remembering the events that occurred about 2,000 years ago can be hard and very difficult to confirm whether it is true or not. There's always a possibility that the Battle never had taken place or it could have been taken with 600 Spartans and 250,000 Persians only. In other words, we really aren't sure.

However, only thing we can trust is the analysis of the archaeologists' and the historians'. Why? Because they studied various texts, translated them best they could and came to a conclusion that can always be wronged at any time. Like I said, the Battle may never have taken place. It may have been some kind of a proto-form of a propaganda to rouse the Greeks to fight the invading Persians.

One of the examples where the historians came to a wrong conclusion is when most of the world believed that the Parthenon was a temple for worship. However, newest conclusion countered the older one by saying that the Parthenon was more of a treasury. Discussions like this thins the line between historical accuracy and inaccuracy.
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Old 2007-03-09, 21:04   Link #40
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And I found out the IMAX in Dallas actually has seats for the Sunday showing. I can't decide if I want to watch it tomorrow night or wait for Sunday in the IMAX.
IMAX! IMAX!! IMAX!!! The blood, the gore, the flying body parts, the exaggeration of it all that electrifies the forever young shounen heart... it can't be experienced in a puny screen with puny sound. King Leonites is a hard ass, and he isn't hesitant to show it. Talk about visual. The soundtrack is so awesome, and if you mix it with those dialogues, you concoct something that spell pure entertainment. IMAX man, IMAX!

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I have! Many times. It's one of my favs. Can't wait to see this movie. And I know for a fact I'm going to think I am a Spartan for a good couple of days afterwards. lol
hehe.. well, in that case, I claim seniority. I'm your senpai-Spartan, and don't you forget it after you get high.
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