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View Poll Results: Code Geass Episode 21 Rating
Perfect 10 35 29.41%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 40 33.61%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 21 17.65%
7 out of 10 : Good 10 8.40%
6 out of 10 : Average 8 6.72%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 2 1.68%
4 out of 10 : Poor 2 1.68%
3 out of 10 : Bad 1 0.84%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2007-03-15, 21:46   Link #81
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No offense but...

I blame all these chaos on Shirley.
LOL. You really hate Shirley, don't you? Shirley does need a wack for screaming out Euphemia's name. But really, it was pretty stupid of Euphie to go out with such a horrible "disguise" to begin with. They're all very silly imho.
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Old 2007-03-15, 21:53   Link #82
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Old 2007-03-15, 21:54   Link #83
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btw i don't understand why diethard command sayoko to know true identity of lulu
was he know lulu is zero?
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Old 2007-03-15, 21:57   Link #84
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It's not as if they're just pushing it aside though. :/
It's serious because it's throwing EVERYONE's objectives out of whack (for lack of a more captivating way to say it).
no no, certainly not.

I didn't mean that they weren't taking Euphie seriously, it's just that none of them think Euphie's plan is going to work like she intends it too.

I certainly agree with you whole heartedly that everyone is severly freaked out by this plan. >:3

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btw i don't understand why diethard command sayoko to know true identity of lulu
was he know lulu is zero?
from what I got, Diethard had previously assigned Sayoko to keep tabs on Kallen (probably after she became 0 squad leader) and to try and figure out who Zero was. now, he tells her that she doesn't have to worry about Kallen anymore, and should just focus on the original assignment to find out Zero's identity.

so no, Diethard still doesn't know who Zero is, and judging from Sayoko's appearances so far, I still don't think she's even suspected Lelouch. :\
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Old 2007-03-15, 22:01   Link #85
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Shirley appears to be an annoying character, but her character makes the situation more interesting. She is really pitiable considering that she is left with no recollection of this person who apparently murdered her father, and whom she seemed (from her perspective) to have a close relationship with. And besides, it's all karma.
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Old 2007-03-15, 22:05   Link #86
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During the scene where Schneizel approved Euphemia's idea of a Special Zone really easily. This is what he actually says after Euphie showed him the documents:

Schneizel: This idea is really wonderful!
Schneizel: You should go do what you truly believe in!
Schneizel: I will speak to Cornelia about it for you.

BTW, this is before he meets up with Cornelia and the rest of his knights. So when he did meet with Cornelia, he DID NOT mention anything about Euphie's Special Zone idea. Which is why Cornelia had such a big ZOMGWTFBBQ reaction to Euphie's announcement.

So yeah, I agree with all those who said there are alarms ringing all over the place when it comes to Schneizel.

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Old 2007-03-15, 22:05   Link #87
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This episode was somewhat disappointing, i was expecting some more action, and more revelations.
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Old 2007-03-15, 22:06   Link #88
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Shirley appears to be an annoying character, but her character makes the situation more interesting. She is really pitiable considering that she is left with no recollection of this person who apparently murdered her father, and whom she seemed (from her perspective) to have a close relationship with. And besides, it's all karma.
wonder if she's going to be able to put 2 and 2 together and figure out that Lelouch is an imperial prince.

lord things would get complicated for her then.


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This episode was somewhat disappointing, i was expecting some more action, and more revelations.
what, you mean other than Euphie's master plan? or the fact Sayoko's been working for Diethard? or Nunnally meeting Diethard again? oh, and now Lu and Kallen know about Ougixsome girl (Villetta), that'll be fun later.
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Old 2007-03-15, 22:06   Link #89
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Finally got to see the episode. Was gone for a whole day.

My god, I didn't expect much from the episode, being a pizza comedy one...
but man story advanced! And lots of great development too.
We get to see the Granstone Knights, glimpse of Ornage, Sayako-san's true identity, Viletta and Ougi, Euphie, C.C.'s pizza , everything you could ask for were packed in this episode. A first 10/10 from me in long time.

Btw, those worrying about Infinite Ryvius...
IMO, Ryvius is still the best anime Taniguchi has ever made, IMO.
Don't worry, it's one of the best Sci-Fi anime ever.

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from what I got, Diethard had previously assigned Sayoko to keep tabs on Kallen (probably after she became 0 squad leader) and to try and figure out who Zero was. now, he tells her that she doesn't have to worry about Kallen anymore, and should just focus on the original assignment to find out Zero's identity.

so no, Diethard still doesn't know who Zero is, and judging from Sayoko's appearances so far, I still don't think she's even suspected Lelouch. :\
Diethard said nothing to Sayoko about finding out who Zero is.
What he said, is that in time he'll introduce her to Zero, so until then stay in the Britanian settlement as a spy.
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Old 2007-03-15, 22:07   Link #90
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Which is why Cornelia had such a big ZOMGWTFBBQ reaction to Euphie's announcement.
You sir have won my internets.

& yes, we finally get to see the truth behind Schneizel's nice side. End of season climax anyone?
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Old 2007-03-15, 22:12   Link #91
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wonder if she's going to be able to put 2 and 2 together and figure out that Lelouch is an imperial prince.

lord things would get complicated for her then.
How she responds is the question. She's been rather calm regarding the whole matter.

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& yes, we finally get to see the truth behind Schneizel's nice side. End of season climax anyone?
I still have no clue as to what the terms of the Special Zone are.
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Though, if Euphemia doesn't respond to it properly if it plays out the way I mentioned in the spoiler.... her reputation with the Elevens will be trashed just as much as Suzaku's.
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Old 2007-03-15, 22:13   Link #92
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WTF are u talking about? Kallen naked scene scored 1st, 2nd and 3rd place all at once, and left no room for other scenes.
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Old 2007-03-15, 22:15   Link #93
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WTF are u talking about? Kallen naked scene scored 1st, 2nd and 3rd place all at once, and left no room for other scenes.
She was referring to what the people voted for the top 3 scenes in the anime. -_-; Durrr, I'm sure everyone would say that when Kallen pops out with her titties onstage it's always the best.
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Old 2007-03-15, 22:17   Link #94
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Old 2007-03-15, 22:20   Link #95
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Btw, those worrying about Infinite Ryvius...
IMO, Ryvius is still the best anime Taniguchi has ever made, IMO.
Don't worry, it's one of the best Sci-Fi anime ever.
I have heard this before too. 0_o well, I've enjoyed all his other stuff, I don't doubt it'll be fun. (still, what about Planetes? ). anyway...

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Diethard said nothing to Sayoko about finding out who Zero is.
What he said, is that in time he'll introduce her to Zero, so until then stay in the Britanian settlement as a spy.
you're the native speaker, not me. ^_^b

probably shouldn't have even bothered posting what I assumed using the japanese comprehension of a 2 year old. ;_;
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Old 2007-03-15, 22:22   Link #96
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Such a wonderful episode if you ask me. Plenty happened in episode 21 --- which shows that Goro already has plenty of plans for the second season.

Spoiler for Episode 21:

So yeah, i loved this episode for just about everything that happened. :3
I added some comments to the quote above.
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Diethard said nothing to Sayoko about finding out who Zero is.
What he said, is that in time he'll introduce her to Zero, so until then stay in the Britanian settlement as a spy.
It's stuff like this that keep me interested in shows like Geass even after they've jumped the shark. There's still potential here, but it seems like it's just getting pissed away.
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It's stuff like this that keep me interested in shows like Geass even after they've jumped the shark. There's still potential here, but it seems like it's just getting pissed away.
There's still TONS of ways this show could go. I'm not exactly sure what is being pissed away, since Geass has not been revealed at all, and several key players have yet to be introduced. And they're baiting us real well into believing that the conflict is already calming down, when many many things could go wrong.

And Sayoko becoming involved doesn't really change anything; there's already plenty of people trying to figure out or have already figured out Zero's identity.
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Old 2007-03-15, 22:59   Link #99
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It's stuff like this that keep me interested in shows like Geass even after they've jumped the shark. There's still potential here, but it seems like it's just getting pissed away.
Eh? I don't see what there is to complain about yet. The show is still fabulous. Of course, who knows if it will end on a good note. They could mess things up. But I'm going to be positive here.
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There's still TONS of ways this show could go.
A very ambiguous answer betrays a vague and unclear mind. What, exactly, do you mean by "go"? My initial impresson of Geass was that it was a shounen "rags to riches" story with a mecha flavour, but now it's been overburden with a ton of romantic filler we've been told with never bear fruit and the plot frequently repeats itself or goes in a complete circle.

In December, I said Geass was the best anime of 2006/2007. Now it's not even worthy enough to be flushed down the toilets of Studio Deen; the plot is riddled with outrageous implausible events that seem only possible by relying on coincidence or plot armour, the supreme idiocy of certain characters and the iron-hard sterotypes only serve to aggravate an intelligent or experienced viewer.

At this point, Geass has become more of a joke/harem love-dove show than an actual epic depicting a young man bearing his own revolutionary arms and seeking revenge. Lelouch himself is the only saving grace of this show thus far; everything focusing around him and his reactions to everything around him are downright fascinating, and without him Geass would be a diarrhaetic travesty.

This is why it would be natural for me to be pleased with the "Sayoko being close to Zero all along but not knowing who he is only to learn his identity and Lelouch and Sayoko experience flushes of surprise"; it's easily potential awesome for Lelouch, and Sayoko as well; she's my favourite character.

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I'm not exactly sure what is being pissed away, since Geass has not been revealed at all, and several key players have yet to be introduced. And they're baiting us real well into believing that the conflict is already calming down, when many many things could go wrong.
Geass was originally pitched as a ladder-climb; Lelouch killing Clovis was the first rung, and controlling all of Japan the final rung before switching ladders. Right now, Lelouch's climb has slowed so much it's implausible that he'll just jump nine or ten rungs up to "conquest of Japan"; Cornelia is still alive, his allies are growing uneasy, Schneizel has arrived, he's got personal problems that are trivial from the world's perspective, and he's letting those problems affect his vertical progression.

In sum, the short has stagnated, or "dragged". A LOT. Nothing feels epic anymore and even Zero's theatrics have died down, such that a lot of the mysterious/enigmatic appeal to the character have been deflated by his mundane and clumsy reactions/movements.

Right now, I couldn't care for C.C.'s past, Shirley, Suzaku, or Euphemia; I want to see Lelouch primarily and have the lives of those other characters be secondary, not central. CG is Lelouch's story; he is the main character. By promoting people like Suzaku and Euphemia to main character status, the focus on Lelouch has dulled and now the series feels so utterly superficial/contrived it's chocking the entertainment sector of my brain.

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The show is still fabulous.
I'm going to attempt to break down "fabulous" into bullet points so that you can elaborate. My questions included below are not meant to be leading.

1. How is Geass ground-breaking?
2. If not ground-breaking, how does Geass improve on established stock situations/characters?
3. Is the artwork original/refreshing? Explain.
4. Is the sound-track original/refreshing? On what basis are these attributes founded on?
5. What of the voice acting? Can you draw comparisons?
6. Describe the animation quality; do you feel it to be higher than other shows? If so, which?

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