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Old 2007-04-08, 10:54   Link #441
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Okay. I'll out myself as a heretic, prepared to be tarred and feathered, but I want to be honest: If this show hadn't been animated by KyoAni, I doubt it would have had any impact at all. It would have been one of many.

Lots of 4-koma style humor, but was it so funny? Without translations - no. And I've been talking to 3 independent translators now, where noone was impressed.

What remains is a catchy OP. But if you're hoping for another KyoAni masterpiece, I'd recommend to lower the expectations back to realistic levels, quickly.
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I agree with Mentar 100% on this. It was amusing to watch, but I didn't feel the first episode was that great overall because the humor really wasn't there for me.
Aye. I did "preach" in this thread beforehand to warn people not to expect to the third impact or something. Lucky Star is most probably KyoAni's way of having some light-hearted fun before they get back to their "more serious" projects.

Natch.
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Old 2007-04-08, 10:57   Link #442
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Coincidentally, I just linked to it in my previous post. From what I gather, "sakuga quality" has a lot to do with animation consistency which in case, KyoAni oozes it in spades. The anti-thesis studio is probably GONZO where their "animation style" and "character animation consistency" regularly mutates every 3rd episode or so (if not more frequently).

Cabbage Love of course, is probably the current poster series for low "sakuga quality".

In short, one doesn't need to worry much (if at all) about low "sakuga quality" from KyoAni. Other good studios that I can think of (when it comes to this matter) include J.C. STAFF and BONES.

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That's not entirely true but not false for that matter. The term is probably really ambiguous as it is, my definition is probably more ad-hoc to the second one wao mentioned, as it is less about consistency, in fact I believe that in a way it limit the in individual animators, which doesn't matters to me at all and more about the movement-style itself.
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Old 2007-04-08, 10:59   Link #443
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I'm sorry, but if the "humour isn't there" then that has nothing to do with KyoAni. They're an *animation* studio, not the writers or directors.
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:00   Link #444
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KyoAni, unknown. I don't know whether to laugh, or cry. Instead, I'll give you this.



http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...t=29911&page=2

A troll you are, so troll I call you. And it looks like you're behind the times, troll.

And just to rub this into your trollish face,

Kanon (2006) Episode 1, animated by Kyoto Animation

AIR (TV) Episode 1, animated by Kyoto Animation

Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Episode 2, animated by Kyoto Animation

That is all. Ascaloth, out.
I've watched them three, thank you. And I wasn't talking about KyoAni being unknown but their animation directors. My sakuga definition is probably different to the one you're talking about, wao herself mentioned the ambiguity of the term and I'm going by Catsuka's videos definition.
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:01   Link #445
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Yeah, I'll admit this wasn't quite what I was expecting. Although I might have missed some of the jokes, there are just some parts, like...
Spoiler for Is there anything even to spoil?:


But it was still worth watching. Definately better than some of the other shows I've watched so far (Touka Gettan?). At the least I'll be checking out the next eps as they come out.
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:01   Link #446
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That's not entirely true but not false for that matter. The term is probably really ambiguous as it is, my definition is probably more ad-hoc to the second one wao mentioned, as it is less about consistency, in fact I believe that in a way it limit the in individual animators, which doesn't matters to me at all and more about the movement-style itself.
And of course, the troll knows he can't beat me in a straight-out debate, so he chooses to ignore me altogether. Just like the ones before.

And even so, his words are false where KyoAni is concerned; those of us who are more familiar with KyoAni's previous works can see that for ourselves.

In other words, I've done my job, so now I'm going to bed. Oyasumi, minna-wa.
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:04   Link #447
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I've watched them three, thank you. And I wasn't talking about KyoAni being unknown but their animation directors. My sakuga definition is probably different to the one you're talking about, wao herself mentioned the ambiguity of the term and I'm going by Catsuka's videos definition.
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This:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yhGTCiBg9mk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_g3UVuJ7GpY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QAcW_Xh6XQs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GELrsEZ5Ij0

And KyoAni isn't sakuga, can you anime a single sakkan behind their works? They're unknown because all they do is insert a number of inbetween frames that still don't show anything behind them but an uninspired motion. But I guess that in this forum, I'm the only one to think this, so I'll stop this silly debate now and let you keep calling Lucky Star as sakuga as you want to.
So, you're going with one definition. And, what you're basically saying that whoever doesn't follow your view of what the term 'sakuga' is, is absolutely wrong.

"Are you then too a tyrant, whose wishes override the opinions of the majority?" ~ Sheeana, Hunters of Dune

In other words, that still makes you a troll. That is all.
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:05   Link #448
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Hmmm. Definitely potential there in this show, it's just being wasted somewhat. I look forward to more of it.
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:06   Link #449
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WTF the song is so fast i cant understand it. is there reallly haruhi season 2 ?
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:09   Link #450
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That's not entirely true but not false for that matter. The term is probably really ambiguous as it is, my definition is probably more ad-hoc to the second one wao mentioned, as it is less about consistency, in fact I believe that in a way it limit the in individual animators, which doesn't matters to me at all and more about the movement-style itself.
Hmm... but KyoAni is quite well-famed for their movement-style too. Maybe not to the extent of Gainax's famous fluidity (now showcased in Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann), but they are notable for scenes such as their fights in "Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid", the concert in "Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu", the... "alive(?)" background in "Air(TV)", the break-neck motion in "Fumoffu!", the snow in "Kanon(2006)", etc...

The thing is, KyoAni is fully capable of making their anime "come alive". The way they animate it, it doesn't seem like "static frames" for lack of a better wording.

Maybe you don't share this opinion, and indeed, everybody's mileage will vary; so I will have to disagree with you on this one.

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Old 2007-04-08, 11:10   Link #451
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Calm down, prospective fanboys. This is a 4-koma, animated. KyoAni didn't add in continuity between the stories, nor did they have very many crazy references and gags a la shows like Pani Poni Dash!, Azumanga Daiou, or even Negima?!. It wasn't that funny, nor that entertaining and attention-grabbing in general. Don't let the OP alone persuade you.
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:16   Link #452
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Which is why I said, simply keep calling KyoAni's creations sakuga, I just don't agree with that view and became an idiot in trying to make my point of view come across . I still don't really dislike the studio's visual style, Kanon and Air may be really plastic but Haruhi was consistent and the animation didn't betrayed anything at all as did TSR, I guess that's enough. Most of my complains come from people calling KyoAni the gods or being on a whole different level, something I accept people believing but not claiming as truth.
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:18   Link #453
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Well the first ep. seems to have stuck fairly close to the 4koma.
Is it worthy of the great KyoAni name? I guess I'll have to see the next few eps. before I make that call.

The OP has now been named : "I Buy Sausage".
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:21   Link #454
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Ascaloth is on the rampage again. At least his post length is decreasing now.

Back away from the keyboard. Take a deep breath and count to '10'.
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:27   Link #455
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Have some more caps.



I really have nothing to say that hasn't already been said. Wasn't a fan of the comics, and the show added pretty much little to no energy (or even a sense of delivery) to the jokes... so... draw your own conclusions.
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:30   Link #456
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Preliminary Thoughts on Ep01:
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Spoiler for nothing to spoil really, this is a 4Koma adaptation after all:

More thoughts when the fansubs come out.

Cheers.
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:33   Link #457
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Unimpressive. Then again, I rarely like 4koma shows and I wasn't a fan of the source material to begin with. Why anyone thought KyoAni would make a difference, I'm not really sure...
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:34   Link #458
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I am going to join Mentar and Omni in the "Meh, it wasn't that funny" crowd. Most of the funny stuff was short while the sketches were then drawn out and got rather boring. That first sketch was stretched out to painful lengths. (Note: I watched it with flying subtitles and the japanese weren't finding that one funny either.)

Edit: The op animation is still pretty awesome even without any super backgrounds.
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:37   Link #459
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Preliminary Thoughts on Ep01:
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Spoiler for nothing to spoil really, this is a 4Koma adaptation after all:

More thoughts when the fansubs come out.

Cheers.
I guess it is something to be expected from an in-between project (I meant as a one between two big projects like the two Key games adaptations).
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Old 2007-04-08, 11:41   Link #460
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Well, the opening owned, that is clear. But such dialogue heavy series, with little or no action I must wait for fansubs before making any judgements...

I knew from pictures that the animation will be very simplified (counting on that CLANNAD will feature their suberb animation again), so nothing to complaint.

*starts waiting for subs*
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