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Old 2007-04-13, 13:35   Link #981
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OMG I LOVE THAT MOVIE!!!

Stoning scene and Biggus Dickus are forever burnt in my brain ;___;
So you are telling me to always look on the bright side of life then eh. Hmm, the door seems to have opened.

I'd like to retool and reasses my analysis of the characters now:

As of now I think the funniest characters are in order Konata (Crazy Otaku Nutcase with no idea as to how the real world works), Miyuki (Personification of Moe at its most basic elements), Kagami (The voice of reason and arguably the real main character, also a much better Kyon than Kyon ever was).

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Really the characters are like humbler versions of the Haruhi cast that I'm pretty sure was chosen deliberately by Kyoto Animation now that they've reached the same pillar as Sunrise did with SD Gundam and Gainax will with Evangelion@School. The point where they can turn around and poke fun at themselves for some of their shortcomings. For Sunrise it was convoluted plots, for Gainax it was overly serious character analyisis that came across as goofy at times and for Kyoto Animation, I guess it would be their reliance on Moe and Dating Sims, which are nicely represented by Miyuki and Konata respectively.
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Old 2007-04-13, 13:51   Link #982
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Does anyone have *any* idea what the deal is at 15:48 with the two guys in the background hurling open the supply closet door as if they were expecting giant goblins inside? Gotta be a reference to something....
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Old 2007-04-13, 13:57   Link #983
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^I join this request; it has been bugging me since I watched it.

(PS: My dirty mind thought they were expecting, er, something else... Those familiar with H-Manga/H-Anime should know what do I mean)
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Old 2007-04-13, 14:13   Link #984
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Old 2007-04-13, 14:57   Link #985
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Hmm...now I need to go find sprite rips for the SHnY Mugen and that Lucky☆Star scene...
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Old 2007-04-13, 16:06   Link #986
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Does anyone have *any* idea what the deal is at 15:48 with the two guys in the background hurling open the supply closet door as if they were expecting giant goblins inside? Gotta be a reference to something....
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^I join this request; it has been bugging me since I watched it.

(PS: My dirty mind thought they were expecting, er, something else... Those familiar with H-Manga/H-Anime should know what do I mean)
I thought it was Minoru making a cameo before LSC, but I'm wondering if it's a reference to time travelers using the closet as a cover for their time traveling...

(but then again, it could be something else)

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Old 2007-04-13, 16:08   Link #987
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Hmm...now I need to go find sprite rips for the SHnY Mugen and that Lucky☆Star scene...
I'm pretty sure the only character is Yuki and she has Haruhi, Mikuru and Ryoko as strikers. Mikuru and Haruhi are borderline useless as Mikuru doesn't do anything and Haruhi does this weird arcing flying kick that rarely hits and does a sliver of damage if it somehow connects, but Ryoko stunlocks the enemy with a knife for an obscenely long time and does respectable damage. Yuki is kind of like a high tier Guilty Gear character in that she has an instant kill move, good speed, and good juggling potential, but weak attack and defence. Overall surprisingly balanced. Make a good Fire Emblem scene out of it if you can find some sprites and I might award you some rep. Guile sprites are a dime a dozen too.

On another subject I'm not entirely clear on what Grieverr wants to happen. Are you saing you want somebody to post a picture of Haruhi standing behind Konata with no life bar to represent her prescence in the battle? I really don't understand what you are getting at.
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Old 2007-04-13, 16:12   Link #988
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yea it does look interesting i keep an eye out for it
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Old 2007-04-13, 16:46   Link #989
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Does anyone have *any* idea what the deal is at 15:48 with the two guys in the background hurling open the supply closet door as if they were expecting giant goblins inside? Gotta be a reference to something....
Wasn't there a magical locker room door in Digi-Charat Nyo? the one they used to jump from the normal world to the other one were the school of princesses was?

Of course, this is probably not the reference in question, but so far, it's the only similar thing that I can remember.

Oh, and nice azumanga avi winry.
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Old 2007-04-13, 17:26   Link #990
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Did any one notice a.f.k. translation including Tsukasa saying "daylight savings" during her apology to Miyuki? (Check the 14:15 minute mark)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Japan do away with daylight saving time many years ago?

a.f.k. does some awesome subs, and I think they've clearly done the best job for Lucky Star, but sometimes things like that or the "nab a niche audience" (which almost implies the opposite of what Kona meant) get to me. And that's after I'd almost come to terms with "moe" being translated as "turn-on". I still haven't figured out what I think of "Curses" and "wait a tick", but I've been debating that one since the Haruhi days.

Count me in, as well, on the question of the male students and the closet.
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Old 2007-04-13, 17:40   Link #991
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Did any one notice a.f.k. translation including Tsukasa saying "daylight savings" during her apology to Miyuki? (Check the 14:15 minute mark)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Japan do away with daylight saving time many years ago?
Yes, Japan did away with daylight savings. But the idea is the same. You still have to get used to the sun coming up earlier/later as the seasons shift even if you don't shift time.
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Old 2007-04-13, 17:54   Link #992
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Alrighty, merchandise time! Before I even heard about the news that Lucky Star was going to become an anime series, I saw this T-shirt and I wanted to buy it: http://www.hlj.com/product/CSP20262 Too bad it was discontinued before I even had the chance.

However, for you Tsukasa and Kagami fans, here's an interesting shirt for you: http://www.hlj.com/product/CSP20265
Tsukasa says, "Onee-chan, 'tsundere'-tte na~ni?" ("Sis, what's a 'tsundere'?")

There's also a T-shirt of Konata in what looks like a kisakae (paper dress-up doll) or probably those plastic models like Gundam. http://www.hlj.com/product/CSP23382
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Old 2007-04-13, 18:29   Link #993
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a.f.k. does some awesome subs, and I think they've clearly done the best job for Lucky Star, but sometimes things like that or the "nab a niche audience" (which almost implies the opposite of what Kona meant) get to me. And that's after I'd almost come to terms with "moe" being translated as "turn-on". I still haven't figured out what I think of "Curses" and "wait a tick", but I've been debating that one since the Haruhi days.
"nab a niche audience" was very awkward (as well as the attempted half sentence follow up "I don't know about nab a niche..."
I ended up telling a fellow viewer they were actually referring to a glasses fetish and perhaps should have gone for "attract certain guys..." or something if they weren't going to be literal in the first place.

The rest seemed more on track though I've not had a chance to really listen carefully (trying to get something else finished I said I'd do for someone).
"wait a tick" actually works pretty well with the flavor and flow of "chotto matte"
"moe" vs "turn-on" ....... O.o maybe "super-cute"? or "cuddly"? .... its hard to describe moe in "five words or less" to fit into the conversational flow.
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Old 2007-04-13, 19:18   Link #994
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For a show like this, which I'd call even a "gateway" show, I think that leaving some words like moe untranslated would end up being a good thing to the community.

To be more specific, if it has an (english) wikipedia entry on it, I think it's okay to leave it untranslated, or with a transation note preferably at the end of the show.

This helps to spread new vocabulary into the community. Why is this a good thing? Well, looking at the more "mature" japanese otaku community, they are constantly coming up with new slang words the spread into usage. The more we spread the language of the culture, the better formed the culture ends up being and the closer knit the community becomes.

This is all sort of big-picturey, I realize. If your purpose is simply to make the subs understandable to the largest possible audience, then a.f.k. has the right idea. But in some ways I think like it can do so much moe!
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Old 2007-04-13, 19:42   Link #995
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a.f.k. helps bringing the fans, I appreciate that, so I won't complain about their way of translating.
I'll stick SF's translation or any other group, though.
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Old 2007-04-13, 19:47   Link #996
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Words get imported into languages when they convey an idea better than the local language (e.g. tsunami replacing the poorly coined "tidal wave").

Given the audience (lets face it, Lucky*Star is going to be seen by an audience already used to "some things Pacific Rim" and "gamespeak", it is almost more work to avoid terms already in common use by the expected audience than to just use them. Even general audiences could cue in on an unknown word if context was provided (the "moe" example of the episode..... by golly, if you don't know what moe is after watching Miyuku describe herself you should probably have your internet connnection confiscated ).

Meh... we have this sort of discussion in almost every series that involves "things peculiarly Japanese". There's no totally right answer but nudging the audience to broaden their vocabulary just a bit or be exposed to "alien" things isn't a bad thing. If the audience is *that* uncomfortable, they have other issues

Did anyone else notice a video degradation in SF's second release? And does anyone know if any other group is taking this project on?
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Old 2007-04-13, 20:00   Link #997
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I'm pretty sure the only character is Yuki and she has Haruhi, Mikuru and Ryoko as strikers. Mikuru and Haruhi are borderline useless as Mikuru doesn't do anything and Haruhi does this weird arcing flying kick that rarely hits and does a sliver of damage if it somehow connects, but Ryoko stunlocks the enemy with a knife for an obscenely long time and does respectable damage. Yuki is kind of like a high tier Guilty Gear character in that she has an instant kill move, good speed, and good juggling potential, but weak attack and defence. Overall surprisingly balanced. Make a good Fire Emblem scene out of it if you can find some sprites and I might award you some rep. Guile sprites are a dime a dozen too.
When Mikuru, Haruhi and Isuki comes are summoned, if the conditions are right, the Mikuru Beam is triggered, with two kinds of beams for the different contacts. Nagato is able to transform into witch mode which gives you a host of powerful attacks, but her normal form is able to do a ton of damage with the nagato beam attack. BTW, the sprites are found here. Get the ver 2. http://kaihokaitin.hp.infoseek.co.jp/mugen/nagato.htm


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On another subject I'm not entirely clear on what Grieverr wants to happen. Are you saing you want somebody to post a picture of Haruhi standing behind Konata with no life bar to represent her prescence in the battle? I really don't understand what you are getting at.
Well, its 3 a.m in the morning and i didn't add in the health bar due to exhaustion so forgive me. What i wanted to say was 'The Ultimate attack combo' or something like that. No need to read anything into it. Just an otaku's rumbling.
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Old 2007-04-13, 20:05   Link #998
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I don't think translating everything is going to help in Lucky Star's case. A lot of the jokes are otaku gags and it wouldn't really help newcomers when the punchline itself leaves them scratching their heads. I believe that a certain level of "otakuness" is somewhat required to start enjoying the show; otherwise many of the gags will just fly past the watcher.

Summary: Making LS readable for non-otaku is not gonna help at all.

PS. The amount of posts that are being made are just overwhelming. 5 pages in a few hours? @_@
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Old 2007-04-13, 20:46   Link #999
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I was jsut wondering about the locker business... and I have another "reference" question for someone with more cultural knowledge than I have. At 13:34, what does the still frame of the pagodas mean? Or perhaps, since it seems to represent Kagami explaining Konata's visit... why is a pagoda used there?

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For the moment I'm feeling more Randagio-like, so I'm not swapping out just yet, but I really want to keep that one. After just one ep I already feel a deep-down resonance with Miyuki. Not for the moe though (I *wish* I could be that moe), but for the wacky intellect floating around inside her head. Isn't being so smart kind of anti-moe though? Or perhaps... she really is the next step in moe evolution. Uber-cute and with brains too!
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Does anyone have *any* idea what the deal is at 15:48 with the two guys in the background hurling open the supply closet door as if they were expecting giant goblins inside? Gotta be a reference to something....
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^I join this request; it has been bugging me since I watched it.
(PS: My dirty mind thought they were expecting, er, something else... Those familiar with H-Manga/H-Anime should know what do I mean)
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I thought it was Minoru making a cameo before LSC, but I'm wondering if it's a reference to time travelers using the closet as a cover for their time traveling...

(but then again, it could be something else)

I'm with CrowKenobi here. I think it is a nod to the novel readers of SHnY. Volume-07 to be exact. I won't explain any further though.

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