Lucky Star (Generic Discussion thread)

[arkon]

Originally Posted by Vexx

Things get their own forum if the traffic warrants..... sometimes a series has a huge initial surge of topics, gets its own forum, and then all you can hear are crickets and tumbleweeds (simply not much to say or some other shiny grabs hold) -- recent examples include kashimashi and Negima!?, both had this happen to them. The "goodness" is irrelevant.

However, Lucky Star is based on a rather popular 4-koma manga -- that plus hype from the production company involved stirred up a lot of curiousity at the least. The humor is subtle and at times mild so it may not be to everyone's taste.

Really? I was under the impression (mistaken or not) that it wasn't that popular a manga *shrugs*

Originally Posted by Vexx

welllllll, even a.f.k. makes mistakes.... the dentist sequence had some grammar errors even allowing for casual speech patterns. But yes, LC could probably use some editing and QC assistance. They've recently acquired some new help so they may be working out the kinks.

Just out of interest what were these errors (genuine question). I'm sort of basing my personal softsubs on raws and a mixture of groups but mainly a.f.k. subs and I'd like to get any bugs ironed out. PM if you don't feel it's appropriate for this thread.

[Lucky_Day]

I never heard of a time when they made an anime out of an unpopular manga. However, there is a first time for everything.

[Vexx]

The error was the grammatial construction using the possessive form of the word "dentist" (dentist's). First off, English is wierd and is full of odd exceptions -- that out of the way, the proper construction would have simply been (see 23:39 in the episode and the next minute or two):
"I'm pretty scared of the dentist myself." or "I'm pretty scared of the dentist's office myself" (the first being more conversational). a.f.k. appears to pride itself on localization rather than literalness (they usually provide implicit nouns that conversational japanese omits, for example).
There were several lines of dialog after that which also misused the possessive form.

There you have my grammar nazi presentation for the day (Some of my many jobs includes professional technical writing, part time translation proofing for japanese->english works, and grading student essays).

a.f.k. does stellar work so it just makes little errors stand out more

[Samatarou]

Originally Posted by Michael Hopcroft

Imagine, after graduation, Kona, Miyuki and Tsukasa forming a manga circle, and after six years having had some success

So Lucky Star is really "CLAMP—The Early Days"?

[Risaa]

Originally Posted by Vexx

There you have my grammar nazi presentation for the day (Some of my many jobs includes professional technical writing, part time translation proofing for japanese->english works, and grading student essays).

How in the world do you find time for everything? I'm barely able to keep up and I've only got school.

Originally Posted by Samatarou

So Lucky Star is really "CLAMP—The Early Days"?

I had that same thought too, when I first read that. Or rather, they would be CLAMP if that were to happen. I honestly don't see that happening in the girls' future, but I still think it was a fun suggestion. XD

[Vexx]

Those are all part time jobs... I'm like "mister small job freelancer" (which is actually making She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed nuts due to the unpredictability of income (some months very good, other months suck) - she, of course, has a completely predictable stable profession and income ... note the Konata&Kagami parallels), hence my current quest to either become certified as a teacher and/or get a "regular" job that suits my innate ADDness. I need to be doing lots of different things.

[Mirrinus]

I'd probably post more often if my current circumstances didn't prevent me from watching this show for the next 3 weeks or so...

[Lucky_Day]

Originally Posted by Risaa

How in the world do you find time for everything? I'm barely able to keep up and I've only got school.



I had that same thought too, when I first read that. Or rather, they would be CLAMP if that were to happen. I honestly don't see that happening in the girls' future, but I still think it was a fun suggestion. XD

A book on writing that I still have says "write about what you know". A group of girls who get together and write a manga is what they know.

Although currently a thirty-something college student, I too know what it is like to have an unstable income.

[Michael Hopcroft]

Originally Posted by Samatarou

So Lucky Star is really "CLAMP—The Early Days"?

Everyone here is familiar enough with how CLAMP began their careers to get that joke.

Still, I can see it happening, given Kona's continuous manga Jones. And if you've ever read the afterwards to things like wish, you ca imagine that things get pretty weird in the household of the ladies from Osaka, so the three lucky Star girls as housemates and collaborators would be probably quite funny.

Especially the contrast to Kagami, who is so upright and determined to do the right, expected things. She probably doesn't realize that getting her wish for a normal life would leave her completely miserable.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by Michael Hopcroft

...Especially the contrast to Kagami.... She probably doesn't realize that getting her wish for a normal life would leave her completely miserable.

After all, she takes every opportunity to be with Konata. She seems normal, but she seeks the abnormal.

And anyone getting a show as hard to translate as this one out in 36 hours is a triumph.

[arkon]

Originally Posted by Vexx

The error was the grammatial construction using the possessive form of the word "dentist" (dentist's). First off, English is wierd and is full of odd exceptions -- that out of the way, the proper construction would have simply been (see 23:39 in the episode and the next minute or two):
"I'm pretty scared of the dentist myself." or "I'm pretty scared of the dentist's office myself" (the first being more conversational). a.f.k. appears to pride itself on localization rather than literalness (they usually provide implicit nouns that conversational japanese omits, for example).
There were several lines of dialog after that which also misused the possessive form.

There you have my grammar nazi presentation for the day (Some of my many jobs includes professional technical writing, part time translation proofing for japanese->english works, and grading student essays).

a.f.k. does stellar work so it just makes little errors stand out more

The episode finishes for me at 23:39, and I thought that was just a case of them leaving out place/surgery/office from your second example

[Jiji]

speaking of a.f.k., ep 3 is now listed on Tosho. ^____^

[WanderingKnight]

Once again, Anime News Network has posted their reviews of most of the new spring anime (Lucky Star included)....

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2007-04-22

And once again ANN shows that it's pretty detrimental and contradictory staff-wise. The judgment of the first episode of Lucky Star seemed to be by someone who isn't at all in touch with the sense of Japanese comedy and could only get on a fully-western point of view (especially about the part of the food), so I'm assuming he's not living in Japan (most of the ANN staff isn't in Japan anyways, so what I'm about to say may apply to the rest of the previewers for the series), so I'm assuming, also, that he *had* to actually acquire the episode illegally, the same attitude ANN supposedly despises and has cursing all over its site. Try even going to their forums and say that you're a downloader, and ready your umbrella for a storm of shit. I'm not kidding. I've got so sick of the false attitude from the staff and the intolerance of its members that I almost got to the point of hating the site altogether, if it only wasn't for its encyclopedia.

Sorry, as soon as I read the ANN preview I had to say this.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by WanderingKnight

And once again ANN shows that it's pretty detrimental and contradictory staff-wise. The judgment of the first episode of Lucky Star seemed to be by someone who isn't at all in touch with the sense of Japanese comedy and could only get on a fully-western point of view (especially about the part of the food), so I'm assuming he's not living in Japan (most of the ANN staff isn't in Japan anyways, so what I'm about to say may apply to the rest of the previewers for the series), so I'm assuming, also, that he *had* to actually acquire the episode illegally, the same attitude ANN supposedly despises and has cursing all over its site. Try even going to their forums and say that you're a downloader, and ready your umbrella for a storm of shit. I'm not kidding. I've got so sick of the false attitude from the staff and the intolerance of its members that I almost got to the point of hating the site altogether, if it only wasn't for its encyclopedia.

Sorry, as soon as I read the ANN preview I had to say this.

I find it funny that Carl Kimlinger watches and reviews show that he clearyl doesn't like. I would prefer something like this old 1940's TV I read about in a Bathroom Reader. In this show an author would be put on the hot seat with a critic who would criticize his book and one who would praise it and he would answer their critiques. Barring the obvious absence of a director in reviewing on a small time website, they should have one review that is critical and one that is supportive of a show and place them side by side letting the viewer make the choice. I frown upon the one review system (I think Ebert & Roeper wouldn't be respected without both of them to give their say) and I think ANN's having one clearly hardass guy do a certain type of shows hurts their credibility a bit.

[mukansa monkey]

Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0

So, uh, how exactly does one eat cake with a normal distribution? Because speculating about that has been making my brain hurt...

The way I take this is that in a given bite the percentages of strawberry, cream and cake have to follow a normal distribution, so that most of the time the ratio between them is fairly constant. Maintaining that ratio should produce an ideal cake-eating experience, as long as your percentages don't vary by more than a standard deviation. And yes, I'm the guy who goes back to the bowl of cream just because I'm nearing the end of my slice and the ratios are off.

Originally Posted by Vexx

Its rare I come across an ANN review that likes the sort of thing I like, so I long ago figured they lived on the other side of the anime spectrum and, if anything, they're kind of over-reaching by calling themselves the "anime news network" rather than the "some parts of the shounen news" spectrum or something similar.

That reminds me of when my local paper published an index of movie reviews from a bunch of major reviewers, so that you could see what they al had to say about a given film at the same time. I quickly came to realize that the NY Times movie reviewer was one of those dramatic film snobs who thought The English Patient was the greatest thing to ever grace the big screen. My tastes were pretty much the complete opposite of theirs, so the harder they panned something the more I wanted to see it.

[mukansa monkey]

I realized while reading posts here that Ep. 3 came out from AFK about thirty seconds after the last time I refreshed the main page, and that was almost 5 hours ago. I'm not sure whether to be horribly sad that I could have been watching it hours ago, or relieved that I'm not such a rabid fanboy that I compulsively hit the refresh button like an ebay sniper. Oh well, it downloaded in under 18 minutes. Time to go watch!

[Michael Hopcroft]

I'm still downloading both the Lucky-Channel and a.f.k. subs. The main reason is that I'm one of the downloaders/archivers for my local club and they haven't decided which translation they prefer. (I am also downloading a.f.k. sub of AniYoko, which is a surprisingly popular show at our club because it's so very weeeeird for a children's show).

Hopefully I won't be in a position where I'm forced to choose one or the other.

[Vexx]

I'm going to start downloading the other significant groups as well:
Eien no anime (and maybe even Wind) to compare with.

This may take the prize for the number of different subs downloaded for one series (the previous was Shuffle! where I was downloading three -- I never really was able to pick one set of releases I liked .... and then there was the problems with the show itself....). At least I know here that as long as they stick with the manga material I'll be fine.

[vhx]

I just watched the first episode and I have to say... what exactly is this?

I am pretty tolerant of anime genre's and consider myself to be open to new concepts and ideas. However, this show just makes my head hurt. First of all 10 minutes of talking about food, the way to eat food, and how they setup food was probably the biggest waste of my time EVER.

To be honest the only saving grace for this anime is the character's drawing style, which imo is pretty cute. I think I only laughed once and that was when she was talking about how she knocked out some foreign guy and she related it to street fighter. This anime is probably the biggest chick anime I have ever seen. If you honestly like watching anime where ditzy girls talk about pointless subjects, then all the more power to you. However, I can barely stand that IRL, much less 20ish minutes of that in anime form. I mean theres no plot at all, it's just one random thought to the next. I think I saw them go from food -> glasses -> colds in the matter of a few minutes.

I have no idea how this anime even deserves its own section. I have seen many great anime's come and go (and some awesome ones) that did not have it's own section. I guess theres always a market for things like this; so I have a feeling I'm gonna get torn into by the fans here (:P), but just honestly what's so interesting about this anime?

/boggle

[Skane]

Different folks, different strokes.

Cheers.