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Old 2007-04-26, 16:41   Link #1
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You Guys noticed that all the Vaizards Zanpakuto look the same ? the other half of their swords are colored black ,

Ichigo's Zakpakuto also similar , during Ichigo Training , Urahara's assistant Tessai was shocked when he first saw Ichigos sword

(btw who is Tessai ? i rewatched ichigos training and he casted a LVL99 Binding spell )

even Kisuke Urahara's Benihime is also half colored black which leads to the possibility of him bieng a Vizard , he created Hogyoku which allows shinigami to use hollows powers and vice versa , he might have used it on himself

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Old 2007-04-26, 17:00   Link #2
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I think from what we've seen that kido spells power are based on the caster's ability level. Whether that is linked to reaistu (i.e., it draws from the caster's life energy) or level of concentration (i.e, kido spells are powered by some kind of magical weave), it's hard to tell. Bleach is still a very mysterious world and few mechanics are explained to the viewers (perhaps intentional, in order to be free to just make up random stuff and not be dragged down by plot holes as the story unfolds...)

I think that was a level 99 binding spell, but the power level was very low (I mean Ichigo was what, like a 6th seat or something at that time--couldn't handle 20% of Renji--when he was transforming, and it ripped the 99th binding spell apart).

And I wouldn't be surprised if Urahara was in fact a vaizard. He'll need the power boost when involving in [insert event here] deus ex intervention.
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Old 2007-04-26, 17:09   Link #3
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I just noticed this when watching the episode today. Forgot that that Urahara's was also the same color but now my speculation of him being a vaizard is that much greater.

Only thing is that renji's sword is this color during his first release.
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Old 2007-04-26, 17:24   Link #4
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You know, I never noticed that the Vizards had the same color sword until I rewatched the Hiyori scene. Interesting theory, could very well be something there. I don't know, maybe the colors could resemble something, for instance Ichigo is 'black' (shinigami) and Hichigo is 'white' (hollow). IIRC the sword represents the soul, that would make sense to me for the coloring.
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Old 2007-04-26, 22:33   Link #5
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I think that's just how certain types of metal are drawn in Bleach. Remeber Ganju had that little cleaver knife way back when? It was half and half too. Not to mention the Shikai blade of Ikkaku's staff, and the bankai mode too. Bishie-boy's (name escapes me) has the same look when it's in scythe form, too. I'm sure there's others, but they can't all be Vizards.

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Old 2007-04-26, 23:05   Link #6
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thats true R. but i dont recall ganju being black? ive forgotten probably. maybe its a special alloy?
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Old 2007-04-26, 23:34   Link #7
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Its black because its a cool color .. it wouldn't be so cool if it pink
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Old 2007-04-27, 03:00   Link #8
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Its black because its a cool color .. it wouldn't be so cool if it pink
Yachiru and the old geezer Vizard would strongly disagree..
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Old 2007-04-27, 04:29   Link #9
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i wonder if vaizards have a shikai and thier own bankai...well since ichigo's one of them the most likely right?

so hiyori just accessed he hollow powers withouth going shikai just to show ichigo the difference in power?
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Old 2007-04-27, 06:57   Link #10
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Yachiru and the old geezer Vizard would strongly disagree..
But pink swords are not cool .. they are cute =3



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Old 2007-04-27, 14:22   Link #11
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I think it's just the way swords look.
But I could be wrong
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Old 2007-04-27, 17:20   Link #12
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But pink swords are not cool .. they are cute =3



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I'm not saying this to frighten you like, lets say, a little schoolgirl home alone being chased by a madman with a large knife or something like that.. but..

They come at night.. while you sleep.. in the dark! <insert creepy smiley here><que eerie music and laughter>
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Old 2007-04-27, 17:43   Link #13
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[Spoiler] Viziards???

What do you think Ichigo should do....
should he join up with viziards.. or just forget about them......
i think that that ichigo should join vizairds and draw them into the battle between Aizen and SS.
In manga chapter 236 when the espada no.6 comes back to the real world and fights ichigo again the vizairds guy beats him up like he was nothing more than an ant in his way... i think that viziards power is almost equal to the top 3 espadas... so if they are drawn into the fight with Aizen that will be a pretty good advantage for SS......
Ichigo hasn't really learned to control his hollow state completely so do you guys think that any of the vizairds has followed him up into the huco mundeo ?????(spelled wrong)

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Old 2007-04-27, 18:34   Link #14
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But seriously:

The reason I think Tessai was shocked/impressed, was because it is one huge zanpakutou, and had an awkward shape like Jinta described.. "no hilt or guard" wich in my eyes makes it a raw and fearless charactered Zanpakutou. Almost scary..
That combined with the knowledge that the size of the sword also represents a shinigami's level of reiatsu, impressed him even more..

Also: Zabimaru is half black.. . Wabisuke, Fujikujaku, (Ryumon) Hozukimaru, Sougyo no Kotowari , Katen Kyoukotsu etc etc.. all are half black in Shikai



So being half black hasn't anything to do with being a vizard..( I mean swords here ok.. just to be clear on that)

However, the possibility of Uruhara being a Vizard himself is another story alltogether imho. I've not read all theories around here so I might me repeating someone else, but I have a feeling our illustrious friend has more to do with them than we are led to believe.. I still don't know why he was exiled from SS.. maybe performing experiments with the hougiyoku on what are now the Vizard group?

I don't know..

but this goes beyond the question in the TT.
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Old 2007-04-27, 19:20   Link #15
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You Guys noticed that all the Vaizards Zanpakuto look the same ? the other half of their swords are colored black ,

Ichigo's Zakpakuto also similar , during Ichigo Training , Urahara's assistant Tessai was shocked when he first saw Ichigos sword

(btw who is Tessai ? i rewatched ichigos training and he casted a LVL99 Binding spell )

even Kisuke Urahara's Benihime is also half colored black which leads to the possibility of him bieng a Vizard , he created Hogyoku which allows shinigami to use hollows powers and vice versa , he might have used it on himself

Urahara can't possibily be a vaizard..... most of the swords in bleach are the same and tessai was shocked beacause of Ichigo's sword being a lot different then all others.... his swords features shocked tessai not his colour......... and i thought that urahara sealed that Hogyoku thingy soon after he made it whixh buries all of the chances of him using it....
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Old 2007-04-27, 20:09   Link #16
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What does the hougiyoku have to do with anything, none of the Vaizard nor Ichigo used it to become Vaizards so why would urahara ? But I do doubt he is one cause if he is i'm guessing he would know how to control it, and he didn't mention anything to Ichigo.
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Old 2007-04-27, 21:46   Link #17
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What does the hougiyoku have to do with anything, none of the Vaizard nor Ichigo used it to become Vaizards so why would urahara ? But I do doubt he is one cause if he is i'm guessing he would know how to control it, and he didn't mention anything to Ichigo.
true, but the fact that it can be used to...and that uruhara was the one to create it. just connected the dots, theoretically speaking of course.
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Old 2007-04-27, 21:51   Link #18
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Actually, for the swords being black thing... it's consistently that color in the manga. Vaizards, arrancars, shinigami, their swords all look like that.
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Well, he had to use it on someone (or else he couldn't be sure that it works), however he doesn't seem to be the crazy scientist-type, who tries his own experiments on himself (like Mayuri).
The question is: What happened to the person(s) he tested it on?
He might just have used it on himself, seeing as for his other invention for reaching bankai faster he was the first and only one to use it.
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Old 2007-04-28, 13:26   Link #20
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I just noticed this when watching the episode today. Forgot that that Urahara's was also the same color but now my speculation of him being a vaizard is that much greater.

Only thing is that renji's sword is this color during his first release.
Before making my comment, I just want to make it somewhat clear that I have not read the manga, so what I'm about to say doesn't spoil, nor does it need to be correct in any way since there's no way for me to know it anyway. They're merely posed speculations of mine, but I'm giving it a spoiler tag anyway since it might turn out to be correct. So, read at your own discretion and please, give some of your inputs. They are all interesting!

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