(L+CR) Black Clover (TV series)

[Dengar]

They're really overdoing it with the filler though. I mean I don't know the source material but I can tell padding from the meat.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

Quite. Most of the episode was predominantly "filler" scenes (compared to the manga). The episode is called "First Mission", but only near the end of the episode that they were finally headed to the village

It's kind of funny how people often comment that manga is fast paced, and now we have the anime, taking its sweet time telling the story...interesting contrast, eh?
Fortunately, the anime will be 51 eps long, so they probably don't feel the need to rush it and instead fill in the "blanks" that the manga skipped/glossed over

Yes and No. Most of the "Filler stuff" in this episode was to explain how they got to the mission instead of just... BOOM you have a mission and here we go. I mean the manga just says BOOM you have a mission and they go instead of explain it. I could say more but it would be spoilers and i don't need that. The filler stuff is happening for a reason so it's more fleshing things out and explaining certain situations.

It's a way to avoid massive filler arcs because if they did a "normal pacing" they'd catch up to the manga pretty quickly so they flesh out the story and explain aspects the manga avoids. Let's face it if they had a normal pacing they'd be way ahead of where they are

[Dengar]

...Massive filler arcs? The manga already has a head start and the amount of episodes is already set. This exuse is entirely meaningless. Especially in the age of seasonal anime, where filler is no longer necessary.

How much filler did MHA have again?

Also, what's wrong with BOOM you have a mission? The entire stint with the poker game was entirely useless. Nothing was fleshed out, no backstory was established.


There is no need to go to such lengths to invalidate every criticism, you know? Nobody's saying you can't like it. In case you haven't realised it, we're still watching.

[OH&S]

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That's not to mention the Black Clover light novels which can also be animated due to them actually having noticeable story impact on the manga. They have an overabundance of material.

[Nicaea]

Originally Posted by Dengar

...Massive filler arcs? The manga already has a head start and the amount of episodes is already set. This exuse is entirely meaningless. Especially in the age of seasonal anime, where filler is no longer necessary.

How much filler did MHA have again?

Also, what's wrong with BOOM you have a mission? The entire stint with the poker game was entirely useless. Nothing was fleshed out, no backstory was established.


There is no need to go to such lengths to invalidate every criticism, you know? Nobody's saying you can't like it. In case you haven't realised it, we're still watching.

I kind of agree with him here. I binged the manga and noticed how fast the pace is at times. I think that the padding can be used to smoothe over those spots, by giving more context and portraying certain motivations better.

That being said, I dislike the recap at the start of each episode.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Dengar

...Massive filler arcs? The manga already has a head start and the amount of episodes is already set. This exuse is entirely meaningless. Especially in the age of seasonal anime, where filler is no longer necessary.

How much filler did MHA have again?

Also, what's wrong with BOOM you have a mission? The entire stint with the poker game was entirely useless. Nothing was fleshed out, no backstory was established.


There is no need to go to such lengths to invalidate every criticism, you know? Nobody's saying you can't like it. In case you haven't realised it, we're still watching.

the pace is a problem for me too and i admit i want it to go by faster. I like BC and i'm glad we're getting 51 episodes but i'll accept it being a little slower in order to avoid dumb fillers. Remember how bad Bleach and Naruto were (I can't speak for MHA because i never followed it but hey whatever)

[LevelSeven]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

(I can't speak for MHA because i never followed it but hey whatever)

MHA is season per season, so it either ets 13 or 20+ episodes and than a more or less year long break inbetween seasons,

BC is planned to be a long running story with a mix between long running and season shows,

51 episodes basically is season1, than probably a year or two later S2, etc,

so they wont need excessive useless fillers but instead add in fillers that expand the world of BC and fill in gaps

[Dengar]

If they're going to do that, they should add fillers that actually expand the world. They shouldn't give us useless poker games that serve no purpose. Or throw people from high altitudes for the sake of 'comedy'.

[LevelSeven]

Originally Posted by Dengar

If they're going to do that, they should add fillers that actually expand the world. They shouldn't give us useless poker games that serve no purpose. Or throw people from high altitudes for the sake of 'comedy'.

not every scene can be meaningful, however, until now there wasnt a chapter totally wasted imo,

and usually i avoid fillers like nothing else

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

not every scene can be meaningful, however, until now there wasnt a chapter totally wasted imo,

and usually i avoid fillers like nothing else

To be fair most of the scenes used highlight things that only people who've read the manga will understand. If you're just reading the anime you'll be like.... wtf

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

not every scene can be meaningful, however, until now there wasnt a chapter totally wasted imo,

and usually i avoid fillers like nothing else

You avoid filler, but you're okay with the filler in this episode?

[Dengar]

Gotta love how the recapping scenes before the opening managed to make the entire previous episode irrelevant and a waste of time in less than 3 minutes.

The episode itself I liked. Even though the writing is pretty sloppy.

Why did that man go into a lengthy explanation of what the world looks like and how it is divided? Everyone present should already know this, given how they live in this land. Stuff like that really grinds my gears and breaks my immersion. This story really needs an omnipresent narrator to explain this stuff to the audience, because explaining it like this is really, really terrible.


I know this makes it sound like I never have anything nice to say, but it's not. I actually get some enjoyment out of this show, but it just makes a whole bunch of mistakes it shouldn't be making. By all rights it can be better than this. The people making this stuff can do better than this.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Gotta love how the recapping scenes before the opening managed to make the entire previous episode irrelevant and a waste of time in less than 3 minutes.

The episode itself I liked. Even though the writing is pretty sloppy.

Why did that man go into a lengthy explanation of what the world looks like and how it is divided? Everyone present should already know this, given how they live in this land. Stuff like that really grinds my gears and breaks my immersion. This story really needs an omnipresent narrator to explain this stuff to the audience, because explaining it like this is really, really terrible.

I know this makes it sound like I never have anything nice to say, but it's not. I actually get some enjoyment out of this show, but it just makes a whole bunch of mistakes it shouldn't be making. By all rights it can be better than this. The people making this stuff can do better than this.

They explained it more for the audience if anything else because we don't know what the world is like. (admittedly i was only aware of the diamond kingdom myself)

The writing though is fairly sloppy and Magna's backstory with the old guy is anime original. It's becoming troublesome really.

[LG-MAX 2.o]

easily one of the worst animes of the season and is being a weak adaptation. Boku no Hero has an absurdly better production than that.

[thundrakkon]

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Originally Posted by LG-MAX 2.o

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You've clearly haven't watched enough anime series this season.

That said, although Black Clover has not been perfect, it has been rather enjoyable thus far. The pace was slow since the beginning, so I figured that the series needs to be long running for it to truly get to the good points. At 51 episodes, that is a good amount of episodes to judge the series.

One Piece didn't get me hooked until episode 38 during the Nami arc, and there were times I was cringing in pain in the Usopp arc before it. Same thing with Naruto, where I didn't get hooked into the series until near the midway/end of the Chuunin Exam arc, around end of the 30's episodes. Bleach actually did better to hook me, but it was not until the 20's episodes at Soul Society for that to happen.

The point is, these long running shounen shows need time to get to the good points. This is not one of those 1 cour and done series, and it should not be treated as such.

[Dengar]

The thing is, this series could have gotten to the "good points" faster than it is being. It's really, really slow.

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

They explained it more for the audience if anything else because we don't know what the world is like. (admittedly i was only aware of the diamond kingdom myself)

Yeah but then don't have some characters explain this to other characters who already know these things. This show already has a narrator, let him do it. Doing it like this is extremely jarring.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Yeah but then don't have some characters explain this to other characters who already know these things. This show already has a narrator, let him do it. Doing it like this is extremely jarring.

But that also showed how much of an elitist that sorcerer was and gives more insight to what Asta was going thru. Just think that sorcerer was really putting his boot in the faces of the villagers and grinding them into the mud, elevating their despair.

Kicking them while they are down.

[Dengar]

Just because the narrator gives an infodump doesn't mean the bad guy can't be portrayed as an elitist. That response is so devoid of imagination.


No one in the real world talks like that. Not even elitists. It's like when that kid goes "in this world, magic is everything". Who says that?

[FlameSparkZ]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Just because the narrator gives an infodump doesn't mean the bad guy can't be portrayed as an elitist. That response is so devoid of imagination.


No one in the real world talks like that. Not even elitists. It's like when that kid goes "in this world, magic is everything". Who says that?

True, they like to rub it in our faces, and its not limited to BC. If you check other series, particularly the Shounen genre, you might run into a character saying "in this world, XX is everything" or something alike.
An example right off the bat would be early episodes of Hero Academia, with Bakugo belittling Midoriya for wanting to enter UA even though he doesn't have a Quirk.

Also in Hero Academia, though Quirkless people are uncommon, they do exist (what was it? 20% of the world's population?). Meanwhile, BC seems to take it up a notch where Asta is seemingly the only one who has zero magic...in a world where everyone can use magic, even if only a little.

[Dengar]

With Bakugo it made sense in context. "You aren't becoming a hero without a quirk"

Which is something Deku desperately tried to do despite this assertion, (and ended up getting a quirk just in time, proving the assessment to be true).

The whole "in this world, magic is everything" is just weird and out of place. If magic really IS everything, then such a thing should be a given, and therefore not need saying, ever.

Also, and this is my problem with the BC world in general, by all rights, Asta should effectively be a disabled person, but everyone's just making fun of him as if it's his own fault for not having any magic in him. It really bothers me. It's like making fun of a legless boy for being unable to run a marathon.