2012-12-14, 14:12 | Link #25141 | |
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I came back from working on something and then this rampage shit came up again.
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2012-12-14, 14:15 | Link #25143 | |
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Based on a number of cases where past history could be established, it seems like the individuals came to feel isolated and despaired. One particular case from a few years ago was really interesting, because the shooter had a diary of sorts which revealed that even though he was a pretty social guy he felt horribly alone. He also came to resent women because he was always being turned down. He eventually decided to end it all; went into a gym with firearms, shot some women, and then shot himself. It's fairly well-established that feelings of isolation (or true isolation) are psychologically harmful. I don't know exactly what happens to these people - maybe they lose their grip on reality, or perhaps their personality and values begin to warp. Either way, it's clear that something disengages. As to why they kill others in addition to themselves, who knows? Perhaps it's one sad, final effort to connect and be involved with others in some way.
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2012-12-14, 14:21 | Link #25146 | |
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Latest report says the shooter killed one of his own parent before going to the school... Don't even fking start that here, you want to talk gun control, there are existing and proper threads for it. |
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2012-12-14, 14:23 | Link #25147 | |
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2012-12-14, 14:23 | Link #25148 | |
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Talking about understanding such selfish people reminds me of my friend who committed suicide earlier this year. I'll never understand why he did it and I'm sure he never even thought how this effected his family or friends just that he wanted to end it for himself, consequences or others being effected be screwed. Had good times with him but I don't think I'll ever bring myself to forgive him for killing himself since his family still loved him and were more than willing to help him make a future for himself. |
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If that was the reason at all behind this I am not sure how I would feel ... somewhere between anger and disappointment at the stupidity of people I guess. I have never understood the logic of that either, killing one self before the supposed end of the world, the worlds ending anyway so why kill yourself? Maybe I try and use logic and reason in too many things because I have a terribly hard time trying to understand people half of the time anymore.
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2012-12-14, 14:28 | Link #25150 |
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There's only so much you can do, the attacker was very determined to carry it out. I do wonder though if any of the adults tried to at least get the children away even if it cost them their own lives. Maybe I'm naive but I would gladly lay down my life if it meant saving the lives of many, especially children who have done no wrong.
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2012-12-14, 14:28 | Link #25151 | |
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CT has an assault weapons ban, so does NJ. No gun law was able to stop this, so how is another one going to do anything. This whole issue is about people, not objects. Worst school massacre in the US was done with three bombs, and those were illegal at the time. We need to deal with the issue of the mentally ill, and we need to deal with it now.
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2012-12-14, 14:29 | Link #25152 | |
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2012-12-14, 14:34 | Link #25153 |
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According to NBC, the shooter's mother was a teacher at the school, and was also killed.
Put two and two together, I'm guessing the shooter killed the dad first at home, then went to the school his mom teaches at, killed her and her class together. |
2012-12-14, 14:35 | Link #25154 | |
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While I agree that there's a problem with how we're handling mental health care, I don't know that we should be so quick to write off anyone who does something like this as being mentally ill. Granted, I'll admit that in this case it's hard to imagine how it could have been anything else.
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2012-12-14, 14:38 | Link #25155 | ||
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I really hope this is just awkward wording/reading on my part, and you aren't implying they were illegal then, but are legal now. |
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2012-12-14, 14:44 | Link #25156 | |
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Since Columbine, high schools themselves have barricaded themselves as fortresses of security. Perhaps elementary schools should be doing the same. But guess what? That diverts spending from the actual education of these schools.
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2012-12-14, 14:46 | Link #25157 | |
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2012-12-14, 14:54 | Link #25158 |
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Fully automatic weapons are illegal across the entire country since the 1930s without a special permit (that covers collectors, historians, and museum collections for the most part).
What weapons were used is a better question if this debate is to be brought up (again). Last time people were going off about a AR-15 that in fact jammed and the deaths were caused by a shotgun and pistol instead of the "feared, nasty, deadly, 'assault weapon'".
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2012-12-14, 14:57 | Link #25159 |
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Learning of the past does nothing for anyone else since the past will always repeat itself. All you can do is maintain that you will never fall to such lows as that monster and if the need ever arises you would have at least done everything you possibly to prevent or be prepared for situations like these that are, in the end, out of your hands.
I love gun rights but I do admit that it's very easy to get certain types of guns. Went to a Gun show and they didn't even need to check me other than a flash of ID because they weren't sure I was an adult(I look very young) and that I had the money for what I wanted. Not like they were required to do much of anything but they were free, if they wanted, to deny me sale if they weren't comfortable with my demeanor. Than again I wasn't really trying to buy anything "big" that many point to as main offenders. Though those guns that are "supposedly" semi-automatic result in far less deaths than just hand guns you can get from any gun store. Something to think about. |
2012-12-14, 14:58 | Link #25160 | |
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You want to have that discussion, by all means, go ahead, but do it IN THE RIGHT FRAKKING THREAD instead of derailing this one. |
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