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2016-05-15, 21:15 | Link #3682 |
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would i be answering him if that weren't the case? if you're asking this to dodge the fact that you're previous claim was pulled from nowhere, you aren't doing a very good job of it. the fact that i already mentioned the ryuu gaiden should make it clear that i have ways of reading the spinoffs, but thank you for the pseudo concern
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2016-05-15, 22:02 | Link #3684 | ||
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retread =/= rehash just so you know. covering events that happen in the main novel such as i dont know aiz coming to bell's aid after eina requested her to intervene in volume 2, but from her perspective in oratoria 3 is retreading. now is that all oratoria is doing or all there is to oratoria or even the main part? of course not, i simply meant that compared to oratoria, ryuu gaiden is more focused on telling it's own story. perhaps the way i worded that quote came off that way to you, but if you had read this Quote:
as for subjective reviews, i specifically said from amazon. dont omit context to suit your argument.
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2016-05-15, 22:07 | Link #3685 | ||
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2016-05-15, 22:38 | Link #3687 |
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whatever helps helps you sleep at night buddy. doesn't change the fact that you dodged the point again and are cherry picking to suit your own narrative. but hey according to you showing aiz helping bell escape from lily's monster trap in v2 from her perspective in oratoria 3 isn't retreading a past event so wtf do i know right?
you are right though, you did derail the thread so let's end it here before it devolves any further.
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Power acquisition is vastly different between the two series. One protagonist had to forge his own path to strength over the course of two years, while the other has been given never-before-seen advantages from the get go, not that there is anything wrong with that, but it does make it hard to build a case for Bell becoming another Kirito, not to mention the fact that one wishes to be a hero, while the other is an atypical antihero. Quote:
With Realis Phrase acting as an Excelia multiplier, there is no way for Hestia Familia to grow equally alongside Bell, except by recruiting new members, making joint expeditions with stronger, more numerous Familia; or by progressively taking the main series away from the Dungeon, as Omori himself revealed to be doing. Extending the effects of Realis Phrase to his teammates is still a possibility, but it would be a cheap way to go about it, especially since it is a skill and not a development ability. Quote:
While the characters may appear to be somewhat stereotypical and simplistic on the surface, they have surprisingly rich personalities and complex backstories, which makes each of them interesting and attaching in their own way. Supporting characters are not relegated to the role of comic relief, since all of the cast shares that burden, no matter how strong or weak, and female characters have more to offer than the usual fan service and ship-baiting, although it is a considerable part of Danmachi's appeal. Quote:
The key would be to recruit new members, but they couldn't be stronger than Bell, since he is the Familia’s ace and captain, although the threat of him being replaced as head of Hestia Familia, even if temporarily, would make for an interesting predicament, if only Bell had a trace of jealousy in him. That being said, they can’t be much weaker than him either, otherwise they would quickly become obsolete, rare skills and abilities aside. The solution is the same as it has always been, namely, joint ventures with trustworthy Familia, and recruting promising candidates whenever possible. Quote:
Also, there is a difference between being appealing to someone, and targeting a specific audience. While the latter might have applied in the beginning of the series, this no longer seems to be the case, since it is constantly transitioning into deeper subject matters (e.g. prostitution, rape, immortal love, grief, etc.). Quote:
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Bell could be equipped head to toe with Welf's best arms and armor, blessed with Uchidenokozuchi and with Lily's carefully planned strategies in mind, but the others will never be able to directly take advantage of Realis Phrase, Firebolt and Argonaut. Only Luck has the potential to be shared, even if non-intentionally. That being said, strength can only take you so far, and even if all of Hestia Familia suddenly reached level 6, they would still need to increase their numbers in order to delve deeper into the Dungeon. Also, we had to endure a whole volume about the worth of supporters, so Lily can hardly be called a dead weight, especially since she acts not only as a porter, but as a strategist as well. * * * As for those still in doubt, let's start with the end in mind. Omori said that the original plan was to end the series in twenty volumes, which means we have just reached the halfway point of Danmachi, leaving ten volumes to conclude the story, excluding the possibility of a fishtail ending. Everything indicates that the One-Eyed Dragon will be the final boss of the series, meaning that an alliance between Hestia and Loki Familia is inevitable, due to it's significance to Aiz, not to mention the fact that it was hinted at in Dungeon Oratoria, which has been written by Bell's very own surrogate grandfather, Zeus. Quote:
With Bell's basic abilities currently ranging from E to B, it would only take him two and a half months to reach level 6, and one more for all his stats to be at S, which makes it impossible for Welf and Mikoto to level-up again before the end of the series, without outside intervention, that is, although Lily and Haruhime are due for an upgrade, if you ask me. While some feel the need for supporting characters to catch up to the protagonist, doing so in this case would be disappointing, since there can only be one World's Fastest Rabbit. |
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Though realistically, given how strong Zeus and Hera's Familia were back then, I don't think Hestia's Familia can reach that height no matter what by the end of the story. I feel it would be more like Freya and Loki together + Bell tossed in. Speaking of which, we still don't know what Zeus had to do back then that he had to abandon Bell. Quote:
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2016-05-16, 18:39 | Link #3691 |
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IMO, Haimura's best skills regarding action, fanservice and comedy went to Oratoria(and Maid Deka before it).
The ones he's been doing for Index, specifically, New Testament have been dull and lacking in effort and impact except for dew like the one color illustration that was on NT9. |
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I guess I'm worried about Bell maintaining a rate of a level per month, although such progress is probably unsustainable, even with Realis Phrase. Speaking of which, where are we now, time-wise? * * * Also, I'm missing Bell's awkward interactions with Aiz. Honestly, what's better than watching two emotionally retarded people trying their hardest to connect while hiding their mutual interest? * * * Talking about development abilities, I wonder what Bell's next choices will be. Magic Resistance, Fist Strike and Spirit Healing sound like good candidates, but another rare or unique ability would be more than welcome. Quote:
That's why it's always a good idea to practice with stronger, heavier opponents IRL, since athleticism can impair technical development if one relies excessively on it. When I claimed on jCafe that Wiene had to die for Bell to experience personal growth through failure, loss and grief, since he still had a childlike mentality, an argument several pages long ensued. Little did I know that Wiene would be resurrected almost immediately, but Bell still learned a valuable life lesson that will make him stronger in the long run (although he'll always remain an ingenue). After all, growth through adversity is the surest path to success. Quote:
Even the strongest Familia are riddled with low and high level adventurers, but they still prove to be useful under the right circumstances, that is, when they're provided with a safety net by first and second class adventurers, as Bell as been doing with his teammates since the beginning, and will continue to do so until the end of the series. As for Lily, I want her and Haruhime to reach level 2, since their Magic stats are closing in on D, but Welf and Mikoto only just leveled-up, so they're going to have to learn to be patient, and make do with overpowered equipment and Uchidenokozuchi in the meantime. Quote:
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2016-05-17, 08:54 | Link #3694 |
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Looks as if we'll have to wait till October to see the next volume according to Amazon.
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Not expecting something amazing since it's just a bonus story. Very cheesy but I dig it. There was an extremely brief (literally mentioned by name only) of The Legend of St. George (used a somewhat uncommon Japanese version of his name), which is somewhat interesting to me (more dragons!) mainly because I was reminded of a conversation on 4chan that The Black Dragon is "The Devil" etc. (I know next to nothing about religious stories). Another random thing is Zeus' favorite story was the Argonauts. Anyway, we're just missing the bonus story from the Limited Edition for volume 10, then everything's pretty much covered. I'm sure the wikia guy will cover this (if he hasn't done so already), so there won't be need for me to post that here. Now the wait for Oratoria 6. Quote:
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2016-05-17, 22:04 | Link #3698 |
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Hey guys. Sorry to ask this so late but, anyone got the synopsis or a link to for vol 10? I saw a link a couple pages back but it seems it is already gone so anyone who could do this thanks for that. (also i know there are bits of vol 10 here that give me a good jist of it but, i want the synopsis with as much info as possible so i can have a more clear cut opinion.)
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Looking at the pics over the last few pages, and adding in the girls who aren't represented by those pics, I'm thinking that Bell might just have the highest quality harem in the history of the genre. Seriously, by any metric or another, most of these girls would be Best Girl candidates in most other series...
Too bad for him that he isn't really in a harem story...
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