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View Poll Results: Shin Sekai Yori - Episode 24 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 11 | 22.45% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 20 | 40.82% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 26.53% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 6.12% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 2.04% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 2.04% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-03-16, 11:53 | Link #21 | ||
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I think this episode had just the right pacing, if they had sacrificed or shortened anything it would've seriously lessened the impact of the episode (as it is, they already cut things I had hoped they would leave in). Actually, if they're stringing everything on dealing with the akki then the pacing is just right. The problem is that there are so many other things to cover but at this rate I think they won't even touch them. Quote:
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2013-03-16, 12:06 | Link #22 | |
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If anything, I was hoping that they would at least reveal the plan on how to exterminate the Akki and maybe leave off with the rising action. In either case, I feel like they botched the past two episodes and therefore, sandbagged the last episode. I guess we'll have to wait and see ... |
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2013-03-16, 12:08 | Link #23 | |
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I'd be curious to hear that Is that going to be in the next episode or was it already omitted?
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2013-03-16, 12:42 | Link #24 | |
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Of course this way we wouldn't have had these huge, dramatic cliffhangers. "OMG IS SHUN BACK?" (nah) "OMG WHAT COULD BE HER PLAN?!" (...) Just smaller ones: "will Satoru die?" "ooo, are they going to do what I think they're going to do?" (or maybe "ooo, I think I know what they're going to do, but will it work?") Apparently the writers preferred the huge cliffhangers. I personally don't think they were necessary, but I'm not a writer for this show, so. As for not being enough explanation in ep 24, that's how it is in the source material. Sure, they could've cut Saki & Satoru's last ditch attempt to save the boy, or Satoru's attempt at taking him out, but I think these were very important character moments. (I would've RAGED if they had been cut, especially after the pacing mess that was ep 23... ) By the way, solely by page numbers they're actually doing well. According to my edition, they covered some 46 pages in ep 24 (36 pages in ep 23), and there's 43 pages left. Technically it should be in the next episode, though I'm about 90% sure they won't have time to mention it... Last edited by kuromitsu; 2013-03-16 at 13:00. Reason: one of these days I'll make a post that I won't have to edit later....... |
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2013-03-16, 13:26 | Link #25 | ||
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2013-03-16, 13:32 | Link #26 | ||
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I think this is the only thing I'll hold against Saki in this series. I can't believe she'd just throw the minoshiro like that. I know they needed a distraction to survive, but still ;_; Throwing a cute living library like that, not cool. Now while Saki did destroy the anthrax to save Satoru, it looks like it may have been the right move. Regarding this from the last thread Quote:
Though I didn't see that coming in the ep, when Satoru broke the container, spores...don't move or appear like that at all. Then again this is a pretty strange world so maybe it can I guess. (or it was just for us viewers to see only, but Saki did burn it all before it even reached the kid so...?) I guess I can't wait for the last ep, but at the same time I don't want to see Kiroumaru die. It's great to know he wasn't working at all with Squealer with how some things were being speculated in the past couple threads. Such a shame he lost his colony, and his brethren who shared his culture. Poor guy has really nothing left... Oh and it's a boy? Man that hair looks way to good for a boy who's been living with bakenezumi all his life.
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2013-03-16, 13:47 | Link #27 | ||
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But hey, I'm just being pessimistic. Perhaps they'll manage to pull it off, in which case I'll be incredibly happy. This show deserves to go out with a bang. (Or rather, the story's own idea of a bang.) As for setting dilemma/character drama, I don't know... I think they tried to mix the two all along, and I think they're doing it well. I think it's very important to remember that these characters are just humans (and bakenezumi), and their world is shaped (quite literally) as much by their feelings, moods and whims, as by their actions based on logical thinking. Quote:
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2013-03-16, 14:21 | Link #28 | ||
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At its best the show is subtle and creepy and tragic; at its worst it's melodramatic. Don't get me wrong; it sounds worse the way I say it than it actually is, but I don't know how to make the point clear without exaggerating it. Quote:
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2013-03-16, 14:53 | Link #29 |
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Burning the Psychobuster, Saki? Seriously? I'd be pretty disappointed in her if she hadn't thought of something at the very end. I'm still a little disappointed in her. That was a dumb, weak move. The mirror trick was a clever try though. Trying to get the kid to kill a bakenezumi might also be interesting (but tricky to pull off).
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2013-03-16, 15:01 | Link #30 |
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Women. Further reactions: If the boy isn't a fiend (and I'd guess he's not, since that's become the in-your-face apparent the direction the story wants to take us), then the only obvious solution is for Kiromaru to kill it, since the boy can't kill him. Of course, the rats can, so whatever plan Saki is thinking up will require separating the boy from the rats. I'm still a bit unclear on what Kiromaru's motive for helping the two is. He's becoming more and more evident as a pragmatist. I'm guessing in rat culture, there's no real possibility of joining a new clan somewhere else unless he was willing to just be a slave, so he's decided he simply wants revenge? Rather than striking it off and living on his own? It was also amusing watching him spend a good portion of this episode channeling much of the message board complaints about Saki. Though, in a far more calm, almost dignified, voice. Of course, I think Saki will still try to grasp a solution that doesn't require killing the boy, if one rears its head. At the moment, she doesn't seem to have any more ideas in that direction. Let's just hope, for everyone else's sake, she doesn't have an epiphany about that right when they're closing the snare on their trap to kill the boy, and then ruining said trap. In the bigger picture, I'm still unclear how this all will end. Saki, obviously, survives the ordeal. Regardless of how it plays out against Maria's child, the rats have a bunch of other human babies to mold into weapons. So, as entertaining as this cat and mouse with Maria's child is, it's relatively pointless in the bigger scheme of things, outside of giving humanity a few years of breathing room, assuming the series has any real grand scale message it wants to try to convey by the time the end credits roll. Of course, it may not, and this really may just be a very personal story and speculation over changes in rat/human society just an entertaining past time. Though I suppose we've already entered a "New World" in that the rats have reached a point where they can openly revolt against their overlords. Or, we were already in a "New World" from the very start, and the assumption that the title had anything to do with the conclusion was a flight of fancy. Yokamaru simply isn't the type of personality you reach a rainbows and sunflowers agreement with. You either lose, or you cow him so hard into submission he won't be able to say your name without pissing his pants, at this point (or kill him, of course). Edit: It's been a while since the beginning of this story, but am I recollecting things wrong when they had young Saki writhing in pain as a reactionary lesson against hurting other humans in that temple during her orientation? And, if I'm not, shouldn't there have been some feedback from burning the boy in this episode? Perv.
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2013-03-16, 15:03 | Link #31 | |
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This episode was heartstoppingly tense and pushed all the right buttons for me. Also for the first time in a while I got a feeling of hope from this; the idea that their world, and ours as well perhaps, can change for the better.
I'm also somewhat relived that the anthrax won't be used to kill the kid (and Satoru) because tricking it into killing itself, having Kiroumaru kill it or having Saki convert to child all seem like more interesting resolutions to the conflict than the indirect --and even anticlimactic-- way of killing it with anthrax. Quote:
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2013-03-16, 18:18 | Link #34 | |
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Also, as much as I seriously did simply roll my eyes at what a 'girl' Saki was being, it was refreshing to see some aspects of the more admirable old (young?) Saki in her non-hesitation to throw the false miyashiro away as a sacrifice. I've always liked that aspect of her, when she was a kid, how despite her hrm....'humanity', she'd have her seemingly nonchalant moments of surprising brutal moments where her character reminds us that her value system is still very much set in her world, and not ours. As far as the pacing disgruntlement some have, I suppose if I had a fixed image of where I saw this series ending, I'd be a bit miffed as well, but I don't, so I'm happy to just be along for the ride to wherever it is we're going to end. For all the big questions that have been discussed over the past many weeks, it can help to take a step back and remember this is a very localized affair that we've been watching, and it may be asking a bit much for it to have some earth-shattering conclusion.
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2013-03-16, 18:21 | Link #35 |
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Well, it's known as that, anyway. They really do play that melody over school speakers to remind people to go home if they haven't yet. Thought it was an interesting thing they kept from the old society in the current one in SSY.
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2013-03-16, 18:39 | Link #36 | |
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2013-03-16, 18:53 | Link #37 | |
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That's assuming they don't reach some sort of peace settlement and the kids returned. |
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2013-03-16, 19:07 | Link #38 | |||||
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I don't think ep23 had pacing issues. Instead I think they gave the episode to Inui, as he's important but had little screen time so far. They started with him, then he died, Saki cried, and the rest was a visual summary, until they ended on Shun (as a bridge). I honestly think they wanted us to grieve for Inui more than we otherwise would. Watch the show as a tribute to the man, and the pacing makes perfect sense. At least I think so. That's the sort of thing I think is a bad idea. Quote:
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2013-03-16, 22:08 | Link #39 |
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I disliked what they did with Kiroumaru here. In my view, it's the worst of both possible worlds.
If he had been playing the humans all this time, that would have been a very nice plot twist. But no, he wasn't... however, his own schemes clearly weren't that much different from Yakomaru's. He too wanted to acquire a WMD that could make his people more powerful than humans. Perhaps Kiroumaru just wanted that as a means of defense in case the humans turned on him, but if so, that could have been made more clear by what he said here. Kiroumaru as an interesting counterpoint to Yakomaru really loses a lot of edge in this episode, imo. I also sense a certain naive idealism starting to take the reins here, given the increasing importance of certain plot points. It's not the ending I would want for SSY if my suspicions prove correct here. Positives for the episode was getting to see Maria's child again, and getting to hear Yakomaru again. These were both played very well for good drama and intensity.
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2013-03-16, 22:42 | Link #40 | |
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Anyways I liked this episode but the Shun part in the beginning was lame, especially when they built it up with the cliffhanger and in this episode the scene ended in a flash. My favorite part was definitely the mirror scene with Maria's child and hearing Yakomaru again (how I missed that bastard). However I am getting nervous that they won't be able to wrap everything up in one more episode. edit: Also I like Saki's decision to destroy the psyhcobuster. Was it the best decision? I don't know, but I am glad she stuck to her own beliefs and guts. I also like that it stemmed from not losing Satoru. I understand she put humanity at risk but instead she was thinking of the human(s) close to her which actually is a very human thing to do.
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